If you squint your eyes until everything looks blurry, it is, in fact, possible to view this election as something other than terrifying. This new interview with former Mexican president Vincente Fox about Donald Trump’s plan to force Mexico to pay to build a wall to keep Mexicans out of the U.S. makes it seem almost funny.

The wall is one of Trump’s key inroads with racists and people who have Mexican friends alike across the United States. Trump—who has filed for bankruptcy four times!—has been emphatic that Mexico should cover the cost, saying “They will pay for it because they have really ripped this country off.”

“We’re not paying for it. You know how easy that is?” Trump, who really does know, explained to Sean Hannity last August.

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“I’m not gonna pay for that fucking wall,” Fox told Jorge Ramos this week. “He should pay for it. He’s got the money.”

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