I wish Don Hewitt would have swung past the Orthodox Church and done something about the relentless and continual appeal to the heavens that is eternal. #morleysafer
I hate this turn of phrase, "x, was like y, 'on acid'", as most people misapply the the metaphor. For example, "a fruit fly on acid" kind of cancels itself out, rendering the comparison meaningless. But I guess it makes the Olds feel like they're still with it, man. #morleysafer
When they say the vaccine is most deadly in "the young", they mean children, not your entitled hipster ass.
Also, if you watched the 60 Minutes segment, you would have seen that through all the hysteria, the mortality rate is still 1%. Not at all out of line with other flu pandemics, and as stated in the segment, not even close to the severity of the 1918 flu (which was a relative of this one). The problem is that the fall-off for people who develop complications is very steep. Meaning, if you get the opportunistic bacterial pneumonia that rides in after the flu infection, that can be very serious indeed.
But keep that mortality rate in mind when you're flipping out. 1 %. That means statistically impossible scenario that every man, woman and child in the country gets the flu, 3 million people will die. Horrible and tragic for those it effects, but hardly a societal breakdown like in The Stand. #swineflu
I generally like Maher but he's lost me on this and is doing everyone a disservice. My friend's 5 year old ended up in intensive care for over a week, medically parazlyed, on a ventillator from complications from this (lung leak). NO other preexisting issues. The PICU docs said they had never seen anything like it in kids, unpredictable, devestating. She had the last oscillator ventillator in Atlanta. Thankfully her daughter pulled through, after they were ready to make funeral arrangements. Her doctor still says she should get the vaccine. After what I saw, I'm not chancing it with my three year old. How many people do I know who nearly died? One. How many do I know that might die of the vaccine? Probably no one. I'm playing the odds. #swineflu
All anti-vaccine people should be volunteered to be injected with the H1N1, Polio, Smallpox, Measles, Mumps, Rubella, Typhoid, Hepatitus, and anything else we can think of. Because, hey, it's better to be vulnerable to these diseases than to take part in the single most effective public health initiative our country has going for it, right? #swineflu
While Bill Maher has his debate about the efficacy and the safety of western medicine, people--especially kids--will die in this epidemic because of ignorance and anti-government paranoia. Very simply, Bill, if you were severely ill, where you would want to be treated: a major teaching hospital in the US, or in a provincial hospital in China? #swineflu
@TheBusinessGuy: Like those are the only 2 choices? That's what the medical industry would like you to believe. Oh, and just so you know, I understand a significant proportion of those H1N1 vaccine is being manufactured in China. So, there's that. #swineflu
Rush Limbaugh is also against the vacination, it's a big "Fuck you, Sebelius!" with him. He's telling his low-information listeners not to get the vaccine. I'd bet anything he already has though, because if there's one thing piggish millionaires want, it's to live forever. #swineflu
@mommy_dearest: I seriously think they would not give a damn. The entire right-wing drive against affordable health care for all is pretty homicidal in itself.
Unfortunately, H1N1 kills off the young and the elderly, not the fat, resentful middle-aged Caucasian that listens to this shit. Sorry kids- Dad has a gripe against the government from what the TV told him! Ugh. #swineflu
Bill, stop it! I was beginning to have a good opinion of you after your whole beat down of the Truthers, but now you're in bed with that serial killer, Jenny McCarthy. Please Bill, say it ain't so! #swineflu
@GitEmSteveDave_ItCOULDLift #BalloonBoi: I don't really see him as being in bed with Jenny McCarthy. He is asking honest questions about this particular vaccine. I think he is wrong on the issue but he is an admitted cynic, and he is questioning what others aren't. I didn't here him say "Don't get the vaccine" which is what Jenny screams at the top of her lungs. I agree with him that we as a society should have a more healthy diet, but I don't know if that alone will keep us healthy. I know plenty of people like Bill who are health food nuts and they are really no healthier than me and get sick all the time. I didn't like the way he just listed a bunch of scary ingredients and stopped as if he proved a point. There are plenty of common things we eat that have aluminum in them. He should have presented a more well-rounded criticism and better arguments but I don't think he's a hysteric like Jenny. #swineflu
@heywhat: Well, if 95% of the public hear Bill Maher is against a vaccine, they will think he's against all of them, and aluminum is the newest scary monster for the vaccine people. Well, that, and the virii in them. That's why Jenny wants the virii removed from the vaccines. #swineflu
There is a very interesting article in the new Wired about the whole anti-vax crusade. It points out that the amount of aluminum in a dose of antacid is 1000 times the amount in a vaccine. I'm sure Bill Maher is taking Mylanta without any trouble, right?
The swine flu just hit my in-laws. 3 kids under 6 and their mom had the highest fevers they had ever had in their lives. They were sick for 5 days and flattened by it. Sure, they are recovering now, but not everyone is. And why go through that scary hell if you don't have to? Plus, getting vaccinated means you help protect people who can't get vaccinated. Team work, people. Team work. #swineflu
@mommy_dearest: The aluminum he's talking about is likely coming from alum, which is commonly used in vaccines to increase potency by helping to stimulate the immune system (in general, these additives are called adjuvants). Formaldehyde is, again, commonly used in killed virus vaccines to...kill the virus. Mercury is part of thimerosal, which is the compound the Jenny McCarthy's of the world are all up in arms about; it's been shown not to have any adverse effects. He's unknowingly making an argument against many (maybe most, I'm not sure and too lazy to look it up) vaccines, but he's too ignorant on the subject to realize that.
He also mentions something about understanding that inoculation is exposure to a small amount of virus to activate the immune system. Erm, that's not exactly how vaccines work these days. Sure, that was true back when Washington was variolating his troops with pus from smallpox scabs, but vaccine science has progressed pretty far since then. When you get a vaccine, you're getting inoculated with either a killed virus (think Salk vaccine), an attenuated virus that's genetically different and poorly adapted to humans (think Sabin vaccine), or a subunit vaccine that carries only a few major antigens of the virus in an otherwise harmless viral genome (HPV vax).
As a final show of ignorance, he mentions the swine flu scare of 1976, where Ford mounted a huge response to a single case of horrible swine flu. He doesn't mention that the vaccine they rolled out was contaminated with the virus that causes Guillaune-Barre, but that's not the point he was making. Instead, he argues that the government provided a solution to a problem that didn't exist. Does he think that this swine flu isn't a problem?
Maher knows nothing about vaccines, nothing about biology or the immune system, and nothing about medicine. This is too important an issue to be subject to contrarian bullshit from know-nothings like Bill Maher who think "the science isn't settled" (as if he's in any position to judge).
@tyronegreen09: Given your arguments, you think it's worth taking the chance on contracting a dreaded condition like Guillain-Barre (for which there is no cure, only "treatments") in order to maybe avoid the swine flu? I think perhaps you didn't see both episodes of Bill Maher's show and are just standing on a soapbox--and rightfully so. Given the propaganda behind this vaccine it's bound to stir up controversy, but dismissing those who QUESTION the voracity of a given treatment in a wave of hysteria and to go further to weigh the potential consequences against a difficult, if not impossible, to measure effect is a little like crying "witch." #swineflu
Filling teeth with mercury is dangerous? You get seven times the mercury exposure daily from the air, water and food than you do from a mouthful of fillings. You also get exposed to loads of formaldehyde and aluminum every day too, way more than what is used in vaccines. I would love to know what he wants us to look up about polio. A "good diet" didn't save wealthy, well-fed FDR from polio, did it?
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Aside from that, if anyone would know about fruit flies on acid, it would be Morley. #morleysafer
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No, it would just be "Amen." Or total disregard. #morleysafer
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Also, if you watched the 60 Minutes segment, you would have seen that through all the hysteria, the mortality rate is still 1%. Not at all out of line with other flu pandemics, and as stated in the segment, not even close to the severity of the 1918 flu (which was a relative of this one). The problem is that the fall-off for people who develop complications is very steep. Meaning, if you get the opportunistic bacterial pneumonia that rides in after the flu infection, that can be very serious indeed.
But keep that mortality rate in mind when you're flipping out. 1 %. That means statistically impossible scenario that every man, woman and child in the country gets the flu, 3 million people will die. Horrible and tragic for those it effects, but hardly a societal breakdown like in The Stand. #swineflu
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Unfortunately, H1N1 kills off the young and the elderly, not the fat, resentful middle-aged Caucasian that listens to this shit. Sorry kids- Dad has a gripe against the government from what the TV told him! Ugh. #swineflu
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The swine flu just hit my in-laws. 3 kids under 6 and their mom had the highest fevers they had ever had in their lives. They were sick for 5 days and flattened by it. Sure, they are recovering now, but not everyone is. And why go through that scary hell if you don't have to? Plus, getting vaccinated means you help protect people who can't get vaccinated. Team work, people. Team work. #swineflu
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He also mentions something about understanding that inoculation is exposure to a small amount of virus to activate the immune system. Erm, that's not exactly how vaccines work these days. Sure, that was true back when Washington was variolating his troops with pus from smallpox scabs, but vaccine science has progressed pretty far since then. When you get a vaccine, you're getting inoculated with either a killed virus (think Salk vaccine), an attenuated virus that's genetically different and poorly adapted to humans (think Sabin vaccine), or a subunit vaccine that carries only a few major antigens of the virus in an otherwise harmless viral genome (HPV vax).
As a final show of ignorance, he mentions the swine flu scare of 1976, where Ford mounted a huge response to a single case of horrible swine flu. He doesn't mention that the vaccine they rolled out was contaminated with the virus that causes Guillaune-Barre, but that's not the point he was making. Instead, he argues that the government provided a solution to a problem that didn't exist. Does he think that this swine flu isn't a problem?
Maher knows nothing about vaccines, nothing about biology or the immune system, and nothing about medicine. This is too important an issue to be subject to contrarian bullshit from know-nothings like Bill Maher who think "the science isn't settled" (as if he's in any position to judge).
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