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    Image of Valerie Flame Valerie Flame
    12/09/09

    In reply to The Laziest Journalists on Twitter
    So what. The worst thing about this is it tips off competitors to what you're working on. The second worst is that someone will try to pull one over on you, and that NEVER happens in journalism. The best thing is you can reach a ton of potential sources or people who know a lot more than you about what you're writing about in, oh, about less time than it took me to write this comment. It's better than pissing in a closed pool of sources by e-mailing just your friends and asking them or e-mailing a journalism undergraduate listserv.
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    12/08/09

    In reply to The Laziest Journalists on Twitter
    J*l*a is down to interviewing her acupuncture guy??? And I thought I had trouble getting my calls returned!
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    12/08/09

    In reply to The Laziest Journalists on Twitter
    Looking through the microfiche to find the "Laziest Journalists on Profnet" listicle from 1999 . . . .
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    Image of PrincessKashmir PrincessKashmir
    12/08/09

    In reply to The Laziest Journalists on Twitter
    Ryan, come on. "Journalist" is not a synonym for "columnist"; you must be aware of this.

    Julia Allison (btw, Baugher is her last name, not Allison) writes opinion pieces, not articles involving research or interviews with actual human beings. Just because she has been paid to write a series of words in a weekly newsmagazine does not mean she is a journalist. If that's the case, then Anna Quindlen should stop yammering on about her family and start reporting on the goings on in Afghanistan.

    Calling her and those like her journalists -- which Gawker does a hell of a lot for no real reason -- is demeaning to people who have actually earned degrees in journalism and have pursued careers in this field.

    One more thing: If journalism is now being defined as copying and pasting from Wikipedia, someone had better order a few million press hats for anyone with a Tumblr account.
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    Image of cassandra cassandra
    12/08/09

    @PrincessKashmir: "earned degrees in journalism," LOL.
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    Image of PrincessKashmir PrincessKashmir
    12/08/09

    @cassandra: LOL, indeed, Cassandra. LOL, indeed.
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    Image of Tremonius Tremonius
    12/08/09

    In reply to The Laziest Journalists on Twitter
    The granddaddy of all aggregators is the inimitable, much-imitated Herb Caen of the old Chronicle Way Back When. He called it three-dot journalism, and it was simply a string of items phoned into his office each day and it was the premiere column in all North America probably so everybody wanted to appear there. He had his stable of regular contributors, but he'd take amateurs if they were good. He was a one-man clipping service, and he lived the dream of Willie Loman, whose idea of the perfect saleman was one who opened his suitcase in his hotel room in any town and the buyers came in droves.
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    Image of Ryan Tate Ryan Tate
    12/08/09

    @Tremonius: Great point. Walter Winchell worked in a similar fashion. Actually, may have taken it further: Publicists would actually write whole items, some of which were good enough to run unedited. He had a longtime editorial assistant ( name escapes me at moment), employed by him not his papers, that would do any further rewrite and do items of his own.

    Not to say Winchell didn't do his own items but many were delivered to him whole, not just the facts but the actual words.

    Caen, from what I gather, took info and tips from outside and wrote them up himself, right? Or did they come in whole?

    Anyway, just goes to show, lazy does not always mean inferior. To the contrary.
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    12/08/09

    @Ryan Tate: Was Winchell the model for J J Hunsecker in Sweet Smell of Success? I don't know much about him, only that he was one of the Walters represented in some novel I don't recall; Winchell as the flippant superficial sort whereas the penetrating substance was represented by Lippman.

    I'm curious about the time when the writer becomes the brand and others take over the tedious work of composition for them. Fitzgerald in Hollywood and his cups, it was reported, would call on his gofer, a teenager named Billy Warren (a creator of Gunsmoke in his latter days) to put the mess in order. (Of course, Fitzgerald wasn't around to refute Crazy Sundays so it may have been just another episode of résumé padding.)

    One of the Trumpettes was in classic company when she signed a contract to deliver a murder mystery and placed a notice for a writer to do it for her. Most, like Palin, are more discreet.

    To the best of my memory, Herb Caen strung out items from contributors, and he made no claims of originality. He reported the charge he was merely taking dictation, and never denied it. Seemed he was on perfect terms with the process, as were we all.
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    Image of Ryan Tate Ryan Tate
    12/08/09

    @Tremonius: Actually, Hunsecker was modeled on Winchell; it's amazing how utterly forgotten Winchell is given the power of his column and radio broadcast back before television came around (his TV show never took and Winchell entered a long sad and well-earned comeuppance).

    Fitzgerlad is interesting, though I thought his Hollywood period was pretty dark; which Trump was that?

    Ya, I read Caen when I first moved up here in 94, though if I recall correctly they were already starting to re-run old columns some day (very confusing). He was great. Still unmatched.
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    12/09/09

    @Ryan Tate: I'm sure it was Ivana; I see her yet posing in an ad for an author for the novel for which she already had a contract.

    All powerful columnists should have a copy of Ozymandias on their desks. How the mighty have fallen. Back before he was a wideout with the Cowboys, Drew Pearson was a feared muckraker, as became his understudy Jack Anderson. There was a rancid guttersnipe name of Westbrook Pegler who was feared and loathed by presidents. And who remembers him today?

    If you're interested in Fitzgerald and have a spare evening, you might want to find Crazy Sundays by Aaron Latham, about the late-stage alcoholism of Fitzgerald. I read it around 1972 and the stories are vivid still.

    I came to the west coast in 1972, and Herb Caen was god, or at least the most powerful figure in San Francisco, which may be the same. The Chronicle was the only paper in those days for the Bay Area, and Herb Caen was the cause of it. And just look where the Chronicle is today (although I don't think that can be laid to the account of the passing of Caen).

    Thanks for the memories.
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    Image of Novaload Novaload
    11/27/09

    In reply to Five Ways to Avoid a Black Friday Trampling
    Why can't all advice be this funny AND this useful?!
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    Image of bodegacat bodegacat
    11/27/09

    In reply to Five Ways to Avoid a Black Friday Trampling

    You could combine 1, 2, 3 and 4 by yelling "Look, it's Rob Pattinson!" and then pushing through in a tight V-formation in this uniform:
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    Image of Dot Dot
    11/27/09

    @bodegacat: I would be quite relieved to see something that normal at a Wal-Mart. Plus, good combo!
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    Image of Novaload Novaload
    11/27/09

    @Dot: LOL. I bet People of Walmart will be posting some fascinating pictures in the next few days.
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    Image of Meercat Meercat
    11/27/09

    @Novaload: if you haven't been to peopleofwalmart.com, go now.
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    11/27/09

    @bodegacat: is that guy second from the right Jon Gosselin?
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    11/27/09

    @Meercat: Are you kidding? I bookmarked that the day it was created!
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    Image of bodegacat bodegacat
    11/27/09

    @Meercat: good eye - and sad now, to think of over-bikinied Kate - how could she compete with that?
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    11/27/09

    @Dot: bwah! i think they misappropriated a blue-light special for tweens on aisle 13.
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    11/27/09

    In reply to Five Ways to Avoid a Black Friday Trampling
    My brush with (the Wal-Mart, Black Friday) death:
    Because of hangovers and still being awake, and after a vicious T-giving fest with my family, my manfriend and I decided to check out the 5 a.m. extravaganza at Wallyworld. Incipient brain death was our only excuse, not only for being at Black Friday, but for being at (for fuck's sake) Wal-Mart at all, ever. After pulling up in the car and viewing the inbred, wild-eyed, ravenous crowd huddled together in a seething mass of undulating hell, we said "Fuck, no", and left to go get pancakes.
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    Image of Aidan_ Aidan_
    11/26/09

    In reply to Five Ways to Avoid a Black Friday Trampling
    I was dragged to a Black Friday sale at a Circuit City by my yuppy cousin two years ago. Never again. Online shopping and excursions to the mall in mid-December for me, thanks.
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    Image of Mike Jahn Mike Jahn
    11/26/09

    In reply to Five Ways to Avoid a Black Friday Trampling
    If you get caught wearing a Walmart uniform you will lose your health benefits no matter where you work.
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    Image of Novaload Novaload
    11/27/09

    @Mike Jahn: Black humor on black Friday--kudos.
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    Image of Rozelle’s Bagman Rozelle’s Bagman
    11/26/09

    In reply to Five Ways to Avoid a Black Friday Trampling
    The wedge is illegal this year. You can get the chair in the usual states.
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    Image of LeftCoastLady LeftCoastLady
    11/26/09

    In reply to Five Ways to Avoid a Black Friday Trampling
    or else you'll all go down like Tila Tequila at the dick buffet.

    *golf clap* Excellent.
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    Atilla the Bun promoted this comment Edited by LeftCoastLady at 11/26/09 3:22 PM LeftCoastLady was starred LeftCoastLady was unstarred
    Image of Atilla the Bun Atilla the Bun
    11/26/09

    @LeftCoastLady: My thoughts exactly. I love this whole post in fact. Of course, I'm also drunk.
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    Image of twig twig
    11/18/09

    In reply to What's So Unbearable about Working at Google New York?
    You've been doing fairly well, Ryan, but you're falling into one of the classic 'Wag traps: you, like your predecessor, consistently misinterpret the connection between engineers and execs. This is especially important at Google, where the work experience for engineers is different than the experience in other divisions of the company.

    This is not to say that bad execs and good execs have no effect on engineers, because they do -- particularly the bad ones, who can very easily spoil a development environment. But the factors that determine a "good" or "bad" exec from an engineer's point of view are frequently not the same as the factors that cause the business press to draw conclusions about their quality.

    So what did GoogNYCers really think of Armstrong or your other gossip targets? It's astonishing that in a company that employees thousands of engineers, you can't find a single decent tipster. They are out there, I am sure.
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    Image of pureblarney pureblarney
    11/18/09

    In reply to What's So Unbearable about Working at Google New York?
    My old roommate worked for Google, and her complaints were about the following:

    - Relentless, robotic corporate culture
    - How braindead said culture made her feel
    - Higher management pressure to party and be seen with other Googlers
    - The fact that so many other Googlers can't understand why a normal person would want to have non-work friends
    - Politics and office drama associated with zombie corporate culture and rampant social incest
    - How fucking boring it was
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    Image of lionel-mandrake lionel-mandrake
    11/18/09

    @pureblarney: Yep. I heard the same thing.

    Money aside (and it's not an inconsiderable aside), the couple times I've visited friends there (hey, free lunch), it seemed an atrocious place to work. Gave me the creeps.
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    11/18/09

    @pureblarney: I have a friend who worked there as well. After he got married, he asked if he could cut back to 11 hours a day, or if that wasn't possible, to transition into part time or flex time.

    His supervisor flipped out and questioned his loyalty (?!!?) and then started screwing with him, changing deadlines, etc until my friend quit.
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    Image of badasscat badasscat
    11/18/09

    In reply to What's So Unbearable about Working at Google New York?
    You know, while it may pay for things like food, rent, alcohol and limousines, money really *isn't* everything. For a lot of people, there is a point where no amount of money can make working in a difficult job bearable. Once you're making enough to live on, a company just offering to throw more money at you in order that you shut up and accept any amount of abuse that they heap on you just is not a very compelling offer anymore.

    I don't work at Google and I don't make a lot of money. But I have worked at other places like that, where I could have made a lot of money if I had just agreed to play their little games and given up any semblance of my own life as part of the deal. I chose to leave instead too.
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