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    Image of lionel-mandrake lionel-mandrake
    01:02 PM

    In reply to Atheist War on Christmas Proceeding Smoothly
    This is a little OT, but here goes...

    I've been under the impression that money-lending (especially of the interest-charging kind) was a big no-no, historically speaking, for the more devout Christian types.

    If this is the case, why are so many evangelicals and born-agains so supportive of the American economic system? Especially since our system relies on various forms of interest-based lending that by even the most lenient definition would be called usurious.

    The prohibitions against usury, please correct me if I'm wrong, are pretty far up the mortal sin ladder. It isn't one of "oh, you can only collect six goats in payment if your wife gets trampled by the neighbor's herd", anachronistic to the modern era, kind of things. Am I wrong about this? I'm too lazy to look it up.
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    01:17 PM

    @lionel-mandrake: Equally OT reply: The main cathedral in Quito, Ecuador has a giant mural depicting hell and the many terrible things that befall sinners sent to hell. The sin was listed next to people who were being stabbed, burned, impaled, disemboweled, or eaten. One of those sins was usury.
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    Image of Julio Esquivel Julio Esquivel
    01:20 PM

    @lionel-mandrake: No, you're pretty much on "the money," there. Usury had always been considered a sin, but like most religious beliefs, they don't usually fit with economic interests, no pun intended.

    It's funny, because for religious belief, it HAS to be one thing or the other when it comes to sins, but it never ends up that way. Although, as far as Abrahamic beliefs go, I think the Jewish faith has an easier time dealing with usury, as it's a varied affair in what's tolerable.

    I guess, in the end, as long as you're still willing and able to judge others and proclaim them sinners, on behalf of your god, then you'll be fine. They're just hoping that their god is winking back. Unfortunately for them, it's just the flickering of a distant star.
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    Image of BadUncle BadUncle
    01:23 PM

    @lionel-mandrake: Before Ronald Reagan aligned the GOP with the evangelicals, there was a strong tradition of populist labor and farm politics in the Bible Belt.
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    01:39 PM

    @lionel-mandrake: Yeah, Dante put the usurers in the same circle of Hell as the sodomites. And it was pretty strongly support for a while, which is why medieval Jews were historically the only moneylenders--for the Jews, it was immoral to take an unfairly high interest, while for Christians it was immoral to take any.

    Why this one fell to the wayside and homosexuality didn't probably had to do with the fact that moneylending is a really good way to make a lot of money, and rich people traditionally get to make the laws.
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    Image of lizdexia lizdexia
    01:43 PM

    @lionel-mandrake: The concept of usuary has somewhat evolved over the centuries (at least in Catholic-speak). My understanding is that usuary used to be defined as chargin any interest at all on a loan. In ancient economies, there really wasn't a very good way to generate wealth. Most people engaged in subsistance agriculture, trade or whatever, so giving back a loan plus was a serious harship. As economies have modernized and it's possible to not only produce goods and services but also to generate wealthy, usuary has been redefined to mean 'exhorbitant interest".

    Related, there's a good piece in this month's Atlantic about prosperity gospel and it's role in the economic collapse.
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    Image of Trai_Dep Trai_Dep
    01:50 PM

    @lionel-mandrake: As interestingly, I still marvel how many Conservatives rally around an impoverished rag-head of Middle Eastern descent who advocates struggle against the wealthy and powerful... AND routinely used witchcraft to achieve His goals.
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    01:57 PM

    @lizdexia: My understanding though, is that the easing of those restrictions has been a fairly recent thing, like the last five centuries or so. Furthermore, that prohibitions against usury, and the wages extracted for such sins, are fairly unvarnished in their language, and have been pretty literal in definition since day one. This would make usury much more clearly a sin than some other, more actively debated points of contemporary dogma (like abortion or the morality of war).
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    Image of Spirit Fingers Spirit Fingers
    12:48 PM

    In reply to Atheist War on Christmas Proceeding Smoothly
    Scientology is probably quite miffed that the atheists' recruitment tactics are far simpler and have nothing to do with the, "Bring in a new member and get a card key to Beta 7, plus free enrollment to the beef of the month club" pyramid scheme the Dianetics Sleestack monsters say is the next best thing to Jesus.
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    Image of BookishLookish BookishLookish
    12:19 PM

    In reply to Atheist War on Christmas Proceeding Smoothly
    Hey, I'm a Reform Jewess and therefore a stone cultural agnostic, but if this campaign means one less "Jesus Is the Reason for the Season!" sign, one less Horrendous Christmas Sweater burning my eyes, and one less smarmy "You have a blessed day!" uttered at me from the checkout line at Target Greatland, I say bravo.
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    12:46 PM

    @BookishLookish: The "You have a blessed day" is the worst.
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    Image of RheaPollstry RheaPollstry
    12:48 PM

    @BookishLookish: I love it when you use the term Jewess. Reminds me of Gilda Radner's parody commercial for Jewess Jeans. Wish I could find it on the youtubes.
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    12:59 PM

    @Looker: My husband gets so embarrassed because I give them a seriously evil look that basically says, "You do not have the power to bless me. You do not even have the power to amuse me," aka European Bitchface (TM).
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    01:00 PM

    @RheaPollstry: I like the "ess" endings that have fallen out of fashion.
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    Image of Buttafooco Buttafooco
    01:11 PM

    @RheaPollstry:
    [www.break.com]
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    01:24 PM

    @Buttafooco: I SO heart Gilda Radner! Thanks!
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    01:26 PM

    @RheaPollstry: I may be in the minority but I still believe in Father Christmas. Enjoy!
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    11:57 AM

    In reply to Atheist War on Christmas Proceeding Smoothly
    I think this is the best 2-1/2 minutes on this topic (religion vs. no religion).
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    12:19 PM

    @Lysergic Asset: Hearted. This rules.
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    Image of mfnher mfnher
    12:23 PM

    @Lysergic Asset: Love!
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    Image of Lysergic Asset Lysergic Asset
    12:27 PM

    @restless: I found it yesterday and I cannot stop posting it or forwarding it. It's like: You cannot argue with this, people!
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    12:59 PM

    @Lysergic Asset: nice video, but let's give Plato & Socrates some credit where credit's due. in the euthyphro, Socrates points out: "Is the pious loved by gods because it is pious, or is it pious because it is loved by the gods?" If the former, then who needs the gods? If the latter, how does that work? Can gods make any old thing pious?
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    01:07 PM

    @gabbo: Thanks for the infusion of erudition - it's always welcome!
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    Image of AzureTexan AzureTexan
    11:55 AM

    In reply to Atheist War on Christmas Proceeding Smoothly
    Historical Fact: The Three Wise Men were bearing the gifts of lold, common sense and mirth.
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    Image of mfnher mfnher
    11:54 AM

    In reply to Atheist War on Christmas Proceeding Smoothly
    I'm an atheist who has no use for Christmas. My husband and I like to go to Vegas over the holiday. The hotel rooms are cheap, and there are great spa deals. Also, we're often the only Americans. We get extra attention from croupiers because we are the only ones who tip.
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    12:01 PM

    @mfnher: And why does an Atheist tip? For even better service next time. In other words, to store up goods in heaven. You cannot escape.

    These days, you'll apparently be the only ones on your whole floor, and not because everyone else has the holies.
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    12:20 PM

    @mfnher: Being a Jew with no use for Christmas works too. Man, is New Orleans cheap that time of year!
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    Image of AzureTexan AzureTexan
    12:24 PM

    @mfnher: For me it's a little different. I'm as devout an atheist as there is, but I still enjoy Christmas. It gives the warm yuletide fuzzies I had as a kid, and it's the one time I don't mind Christian music, as long as it's in rockin' carol form, ala Andy Williams. So it ain't cognitive dissonance, it's cognitive consonance, and I like it.

    P.S. I have to hand it to you: Las Vegas, aka Sin City, is an awesome Christmas counterattack. Please say hello to Satyr Claus for me.
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    12:31 PM

    @AzureTexan: I love all the Christmas stuff, but since it's been starting in October, I find myself pretty much over it by mid-December. @DahlELama: The funny thing is, I thought there would have been more Jewish people in Vegas there during that time, but it's actually like Persia in Sin City. They bring in a lot of the famous Persian singers to perform. My friend Hassam, his whole family goes up there every year. So, it was just my Catholic husband, WASP self, Persians, and a ton of Vietnamese. I LOVED it!
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    12:35 PM

    @mfnher: Re the early Xmas start, I hear ya. I can't wait for next year's Fourth of Julistmas Fireworks Show.
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    11:49 AM

    In reply to Atheist War on Christmas Proceeding Smoothly
    Evidently Humanism also has something to do with an urge to punch someone's Santa hat right off their fucking head.
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    11:55 AM

    @RollsRoyceRevenge: See? Yesterday you would have hit them right in the face.

    The ads are making you good!
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    Image of i'm a bottle i'm a bottle
    11:46 AM

    In reply to Atheist War on Christmas Proceeding Smoothly
    I don't see anyone attacking Kant for attempting to unlink religion from morality. His point was that you're crazy to think that you'll get rewarded for acting within the dictates of good conduct that you arrived at through reason. This is old news, really, and pretty much the only people who pay attention are American conservatives and Pope Benedict, both of whom are complete idiots.
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    12:05 PM

    @i'm a bottle: yeah, but Pascal said you should lay your bets with god, just in case, you know? It's like Lenny Bruce told of this scary club owner; for six months after he died the bartenders didn't steal in case it was a trick.

    And somebody else said, Pascal's god must be an imbecile to accept those just there for the reward, faking it like trophy wives.

    I think I have my quotes all right.
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    12:42 PM

    @Tremonius: I like that a lot. I've always disliked Pascal's wager, it really isn't a good reason for belief with one's whole being, especially when the odds are stacked against God's existence. He also said that there's nothing to lose for believing. That's not true, think about how much time you'll have to give up dealing with those born again assholes at week-long spirituality workshops, and then there's the hit to your personal integrity, selling your rational doubt out for a shot at eternal happiness that you know deep down probably won't come to fruition. No, just give me art, literature, friendship, great food, family and sex.
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    Image of BaconCat BaconCat
    12:44 PM

    @Tremonius: And Voltaire countered that Pascal assumed several things:
    1. that god rewards belief in him.
    2. that he rewards belief made so flippantly, based on losing nothing by believing.
    3. that it's a christian god.
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    12:50 PM

    @BaconCat: Living nowadays in the US makes you wonder whether there really was an Enlightenment. You could argue that the nation as a whole is a result of Enlightenment principles, but even that historical truth has been systematically destroyed by The Idiots.
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    Image of BaconCat BaconCat
    12:59 PM

    @i'm a bottle: Well, the world is getting more intolerant the more crowded it gets, but there's also free porn on the internet. Without the enlightenment we get no empirical method or women's freedom; without those we don't get the internet or porn with plots and dialogue.
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    11:42 AM

    In reply to Atheist War on Christmas Proceeding Smoothly
    Aw, it's not a war on Christmas. Just on Jesus. Who is, frankly, a good target on account of all that pacifism.
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    Image of Lilah Lilah
    11:50 AM

    @braak: I don't know. There was also that stuff about "I come not to bring peace, but to bring a sword." In most artwork he's a really skinny dude, but he was a carpenter, so maybe he could throw down. Oooo, maybe his second film will be "Revenge of Jesus: Kicking Some Motherfucking Ass," and he'll smite the Westboro Baptist protesters.
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    braak: You are, as usual, completely correct. promoted this comment Edited by Lilah at 12/02/09 11:51 AM Lilah was starred Lilah was unstarred
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    11:54 AM

    @Lilah: I think the sword is actually a metaphor, which is why it's also his tongue.

    My money's still on the Bodhidharma.
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    Image of restless restless
    11:55 AM

    @Lilah: Haha! It's true: there sometimes exists this vague assumption Jesus was some proto-hippie, skipping through the tulips, strewing them left and right, mindlessly singing "la la la".

    Uh, the guy was a freakin' rebel—he was reacting against the Roman occupation of his ancestral lands, and the corruption of Judaism. One of the biggest stories in the New Testament was Jesus' violent reaction against the moneylenders in the temple.

    Agree: I'd take Jesus in the movie "Second Coming: The Kicking of Thine Ass".
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    Btwbfdimho promoted this comment Edited by restless at 12/02/09 11:57 AM restless was starred restless was unstarred
    Image of Tremonius Tremonius
    12:10 PM

    @braak: You are, as usual, completely correct.: Yeah, well, us Atheists can sleep in, because we don't have to go to all them dumb meetings. That's why we cannot understand the Twelve Steppers. Why should the absence of anything require your attendance in solemn circles?
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    Image of Btwbfdimho Btwbfdimho
    12:24 PM

    @restless: Reacting against the occupation like...the Taliban?
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    12:28 PM

    @restless: Yes. A terrifying event, in which he raised his voice, and knocked over a table.

    Scary!
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    12:34 PM

    @braak: You are, as usual, completely correct.: Riiight...which lead to him being branded an enemy of the state and being crucified. That's like, super-courageous and stuff! Especially since he kinda knew it would have serious repercussions and all, and would lead to his death.

    That's true rebellion, bro. Re-read yer history.
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    Edited by restless at 12/02/09 12:35 PM restless was starred restless was unstarred
    Image of braak: You are, as usual, completely correct. braak: You are, as usual, completely correct.
    12:46 PM

    @restless: What, are you serious? First of all, the Romans crucified people for all kinds of shit. Second of all, yes, it was very courageous--but it hardly constitutes anything even remotely resembling kicking ass.

    What makes that true rebellion? I mean, yeah, he was a martyr, sure. But he didn't deliver Israel from the Romans, or bring down the Roman Empire. In fact, if I recall from my history, one of the problems that the early Jews had with Jesus's claim to being the Messiah was that he DIDN'T want to lead a rebellion against the Roman Empire.

    In fact, at his only stated goal on Earth--to tell human beings that the only two rules were: Love God and Love your neighbor--he failed miserably, since his crucifixion at the hands of the Romans led to centuries of happy slaughter-fests in his name.

    Not only that, by the spread of Christianity actually served to reconstitute the Roman Empire after the fall. Which did, briefly, lead to parts of Israel being freed from Muslim domination. Until they were reconquered.

    So...I guess, how do you figure it was better than the American Revolution, for instance?
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    Image of Bruce Landwaster Bruce Landwaster
    12:58 PM

    @braak: You are, as usual, completely correct.: All accounts? Lets see... He cursed a fig tree in a fit of petty rage. He told farmers to trade in their rakes for swords. He proclaimed he is not the bringer of peace. He also disrespected his mother entirely. Pick up Ken's guide to the bible... Jesus was pretty much a dick to people.
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    01:01 PM

    @braak: You are, as usual, completely correct.: Ah, bullshit. The effects are so long-lasting to his messages. We LIVE in a calendar year of his death, bro, A.D.2009. That's kinda like a couple of millennium of worshippers who believe, so it has withstood the test of time. And, there is a whole new BOOK devoted to his teachings. Reducing it to two overly-simplistic morals is kinda like condensing Buddhism to a fat guy sitting around and contemplating his navel.

    The Jewish elders he met with were angry because he didn't rebel in THEIR way, and he reacted against THEIR hypocrisies as well, so he pissed off the two major political forces of the time. His very public and vocal disavowal of the jewish communities absorption of Roman values and their dealings with their Roman occupiers was a HUGE sticking point. Plus, they also did not feel he WAS the Messiah. So lots more going on there than you suppose. A lot of politics.

    Plus, you completely missed the point of his crucifixion. He died as a political prisoner, not as a thief, yet, in his humility, asked to be placed among the other prisoners as a symbol to everyone that he did not think himself better than them. You seem to be missing the major points of this religion and the history attached to it.

    Hit the books!
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    Edited by restless at 12/02/09 1:06 PM restless was starred restless was unstarred
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    01:28 PM

    @restless: Listen, bro, don't bring your condescension here. Jesus was the one that said the only two laws are to love God and love your neighbor, and there's nothing simplistic about either of those.

    Jesus also didn't say anything about how we should be keeping track of time, which is why the fact that we live in a calendar based on his death is a bullshit, irrelevant consideration.

    I...shit, why am I even talking to you about this? "...a couple of millennium of worshippers who believe, so it has withstood the test of time." What kind of bullshit is this? You're just going to ignore two thousand years of dispute as to what Christ's teachings were? Two thousand years of misinterpretations and misunderstandings? Two thousand years worth of institutions created purely antithetically to those teachings?

    @Bruce Landwaster: Haha, yes! Fear Jesus, mighty bane of FIG TREES! The most terrifying of holy saviors--mad deforesting Jesus will destroy your fig crop just because he doesn't know when fig season is! Look out, Romans--Jesus will bring down your empire one fig tree at a time!

    He will also totally slap his mother around--whoah, rebel!

    The point about the farmers trading in their rakes for swords is a pretty good one. How did that farmer's rebellion go, by the way? I don't remember how that incident turned out. Did the farmers win freedom from Roman domination? Did they conquer Rome herself, and usher in a new, golden age of peace and prosperity?
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    Image of Rhymenocerous Rhymenocerous
    01:37 PM

    @braak: You are, as usual, completely correct.: I've often wondered, since abandoning my Catholic upbringing, how Jesus' crucifixion became such a key part of the story, since the Romans did it to so many thousands of people (even, like, right next to Jesus!). I get that it was a horrible ordeal, but lots of innocent people lost their lives the same way and no one gives a shit.

    Oh, but look at that, he "asked to be placed among the other prisoners as a symbol to everyone that he did not think himself better than them." Now I see!!! He was humble!! Must be the son of god. That is the only possible explanation! I call bullshit on that line of reasoning, first because I doubt the Romans cared where they "placed" him while they executed him, and second, because a bunch of dying people probably didn't see that symbolic gesture as very meaningful, as they took their last breaths.

    Also I am watching the John Adams series right now and appreciate your shout out to the American revolution. Those guys had balls.

    Commence fire, angry Christians. But be sure to note that I don't care what you have to say.
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    01:41 PM

    @braak: You are, as usual, completely correct.: Personally, I'm waiting for "Jesus Christ vs. George Washington: This Time it's Bilbliopolitical".
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    01:51 PM

    @Rhymenocerous: Crucifixion is great because it makes a nice symbol, but to be honest, the Romans did a lot worse than crucify people. Hell, a lot of the martyrs that came after Christ went in nastier ways than that.

    The tacit assumption, of course, is that Christ's suffering was magnified during the incident so that it could account for all the sins of the world--that is, he suffers by virtue of being a representation of all suffering.

    I don't actually remembering him choosing to be crucified with the thieves, as opposed to somewhere else --I wasn't really under the impression that condemned prisoners had a lot of choice in the matter-- but I don't have the texts in front of me, so.
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    @Go Like Hell Machine: We could finally settle this shit once and for all.
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    Do sexual favors for blog mentions count as payola, freebies or plain, old-fashioned pity?
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    12/01/09

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    So, Mrs. Claus is a Ho! Ho! Ho!
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    12/01/09

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    So just exactly how much mackerel did Sea World toss JA's way?
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    12/01/09

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    12/01/09

    @Uncle_Billy_Slumming: Clear Channel.
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