The only good that can come out of this mess is the death of the "kill Social Security and let Wall Street run it" movement. Then again, (collective) we have very short memories. #goldmansachs
I don't understand the proposed solution that the government could have given Goldman Sachs a haircut on their insurance without giving the troubled banks one as well. Goldman had legally binding contracts with AIG for the full amount. Goldman owes their shareholders a fiduciary duty to get as much as possible for those contracts. Once the government stepped in to prevent AIG's bankruptcy, the government did not have a legal leg to stand on to pay some contracts but not others, so Goldman could not have taken less than the full contract amount without their shareholders (e.g. your 401K) rightly being up in arms over it. Yes, everyone was willing to negotiate for less when they thought AIG might go bankrupt, but once AIG was not in danger of bankruptcy, the negotiations effectively ended. Cook seems to accept that the failing banks would not have been able to take a substantial loss on the contracts and thus would have forced AIG into bankruptcy (or gone bankrupt themselves), which means the AIG bailout was necessary. Once that happens, why negotiate for less than your contract when the counter-party (now the government) can afford to pay 100% and has no legally valid reason not to? I don't know where the idea comes from that Geithner could have just unilaterally decided to not pay Goldman on its contracts while at the same time paying other banks. It's not a matter of Geithner favoring Goldman, it's just basic contract law and the reality of having a deep pocket behind AIG's legal obligations. #goldmansachs
Geithner (and Summers) will go down as two huge Obama mistakes. The favoritism, the secrecy, the cozy Wall St. relationship---just disgusting. #goldmansachs
@lackadaisical: The AIG payment to GS is a separate matter from the TARP money that GS returned to the government.
"If Goldman were losing money like every other bank, would we like them better?" I’d hope not, but you have a point. I think the problem is not that GS is minting money this year, it’s the fact that it is proposing astronomical bonuses this year. Lloyd B could have been a bit more sensitive to how this would be perceived. It’s not written in stone that compensation has to be 50% of revenues. It would have been more prudent to add $10 billion to reserves to cushion the blow should another 2008 happen. Believe me, everyone at GS would still be more than adequately compensated. #goldmansachs
@registered: Well, that's only part of the problem. The real problem is two-fold: number one, Goldman most certainly DID need the TARP money. Technically they may not have actually needed the dollar amount, but they needed the gov guarantee which it represented. And number two, the main reason they're minting money now is because the gov has tilted the field in their favor. The gov stood by and allowed Lehman to fail, one of Goldman's major competitors, so Goldman is now eating Lehman's lunch. Additionally, the favorable funding rates which the gov is providing to GS (and others) makes it nearly impossible to not make money. So yeah, they're taking advantage of the opportunities presented to them (and good for them), but those opportunities exist due to gov largesse, not due to GS creating them. #goldmansachs
@charliebabbles: I don't disagree that every financial institution probably needed some sort of guarantee during the worst days of the crisis. Did I say they didn't?
I also agree with you that GS benefitted from Lehman's collapse, and the subsequent capital raising efforts of other financial institutions. Did I say they didn't? I just said they were minting money (w/o saying what was helping) and had no need to pay 50% of their windfall revenues to employees.
Please re-read my comment. I don't think we disagree. #goldmansachs
Dark pools are a bit overhyped thanks to a terrible name. The only real problem with them is that they run counter to the ECMH. If you can trade against a dark pool, then you can buy and sell shares based on your knowledge of the firm without that knowledge becoming built into the exchange price that everyone else sees. That's the whole thing about executing at the right price. Without the pool, major buyers and sellers end up front running themselves as they can't get all the shares they want at the same price. Supply tightens and the price goes up as a result of illiquidity. If enough people use dark pools, the ECMH is unequivocally false in practice regardless of whether it is true in theory. If you trade against the pool, no one sees your trade and you avoid the short term liquidity crunch but you also get away with making the transaction without 'showing your cards' to the broader market. So the issue of dark pools really comes down to whether you think that ma and pa shareholder are entitled to rely on a stock's price as a reflection of everyone's valuations, or if you are ok with saying that share prices are just a function of what people on the exchange are willing to pay today - if you want a valuation go do it yourself. #goldmansachs
Dark pools were established so institutional and UHNW clients could set market orders to transact extremely large amounts of shares without disclosing them to day-traders and other entities that would bid those positions up or down. Do you know what actually happened when Blue Horseshoe loved Anacott Steel, John? Dark pools were established strictly because of scenarios like that scene in Gekko's office where the foreign banker implores him to stop screwing up his acquisition of a controlling stake by convincing other buyers to jump into an otherwise-moribund investment. This only benefits Goldman insofar as it makes them able to service their clients better. The real victim in a world without dark pools would be institutional buyers and sellers. #goldmansachs
You see how that works, right? The only way to keep people is to pay them millions of dollars. If you stop paying them millions of dollars, they will leave. Bank of America's evidence of this is that 45% of the people to whom it was paying the most millions of dollars left. Q.E.D.
They saw it coming. Top performers at notable TARP banks have been jumping ship at an incredible rate. Use the internet. #aig
@Unsolicited Advice: If they were really top performers (as opposed to over-paid charlatans), then why were the companies they ran teetering on the brink of failure, and threatening to pull the real economy down into the hole with them? #aig
You understand that banks have revenue streams all over the place, right? There's the bond shop. The equity shop. Client service. The back end. All of them have wildly different, easily individualized performance - and the guys doing well want to be paid. If they aren't, they'll take their clients to another firm that's willing to compensate them. It may shock you, because the media covers this very poorly, but corporations aren't one big box where everyone shares. #aig
"skimming millions in taxpayer dollars"? you guys crack me up with how much you have simplified this issue, typical liberals. Have fun watching your city goto shit because you depend on these EVIL executives to fund your infrastructure and employ your city, this wont bite you in the ass or anything... change the system to fit what you think is "right" and we will gladly take these executives and their salaries down here in Philly. #aig
It's not "funding" if it's printed money covering sour bets. That's called a mirage. New York is basically a national debt citadel - it's doomed. Philly should be so grateful that it's already dealing with massive shortfalls and burgeoning crime. At least it will have a leg up! #aig
@Lafarge: AIG was playing such games with compensation even well before TARP that the former CEO was able just to pocket the entire separate entity they had set up to pay compensation to highly-paid employees and walk away with what, a few hundred million of shareholder money? They weren't funding infrastructure - they were building private golf courses and lining their pockets. #aig
@Lafarge: Omigod, now I see you're from Philly! clean up the bloodsuckers in your govt before you go giving NYC a hard time. "Corrupt and content" - it's still true. #aig
AIG was a shitshow since 2005 / 2006, when Maury "Hank" Greenberg and sons got caught with their leathery hands in the cookie jar. None of this should come as any surprise to anyone. #aig
Summary of massive screed deleted: there are unintended consequence to this populism. Pay restraints have to get everybody, not just TARP guys, or you screw the taxpayer even harder. Non-TARP firms are feasting on the Phibros, Mitch Coxes, Bob McCanns, etc.
Proposed solution: wanna limit banker pay? Don't bail the banks they work for out. Liquidate the paper wealth.
10/27/09
4060 Cents on the Dollar, Then Geithner Stepped In10/27/09
4060 Cents on the Dollar, Then Geithner Stepped In10/27/09
4060 Cents on the Dollar, Then Geithner Stepped In10/27/09
4060 Cents on the Dollar, Then Geithner Stepped InIf Goldman were losing money like every other bank, would we like them better? #goldmansachs
10/27/09
"If Goldman were losing money like every other bank, would we like them better?" I’d hope not, but you have a point. I think the problem is not that GS is minting money this year, it’s the fact that it is proposing astronomical bonuses this year. Lloyd B could have been a bit more sensitive to how this would be perceived. It’s not written in stone that compensation has to be 50% of revenues. It would have been more prudent to add $10 billion to reserves to cushion the blow should another 2008 happen. Believe me, everyone at GS would still be more than adequately compensated. #goldmansachs
10/28/09
10/28/09
I also agree with you that GS benefitted from Lehman's collapse, and the subsequent capital raising efforts of other financial institutions. Did I say they didn't? I just said they were minting money (w/o saying what was helping) and had no need to pay 50% of their windfall revenues to employees.
Please re-read my comment. I don't think we disagree. #goldmansachs
10/27/09
4060 Cents on the Dollar, Then Geithner Stepped In10/27/09
4060 Cents on the Dollar, Then Geithner Stepped InThat means they wanted to pay 60 cents on the dollar. #goldmansachs
10/27/09
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4060 Cents on the Dollar, Then Geithner Stepped In10/27/09
4060 Cents on the Dollar, Then Geithner Stepped In10/22/09
You see how that works, right? The only way to keep people is to pay them millions of dollars. If you stop paying them millions of dollars, they will leave. Bank of America's evidence of this is that 45% of the people to whom it was paying the most millions of dollars left. Q.E.D.
They saw it coming. Top performers at notable TARP banks have been jumping ship at an incredible rate. Use the internet. #aig
10/22/09
10/22/09
You understand that banks have revenue streams all over the place, right? There's the bond shop. The equity shop. Client service. The back end. All of them have wildly different, easily individualized performance - and the guys doing well want to be paid. If they aren't, they'll take their clients to another firm that's willing to compensate them. It may shock you, because the media covers this very poorly, but corporations aren't one big box where everyone shares. #aig
10/22/09
10/22/09
It's not "funding" if it's printed money covering sour bets. That's called a mirage. New York is basically a national debt citadel - it's doomed. Philly should be so grateful that it's already dealing with massive shortfalls and burgeoning crime. At least it will have a leg up! #aig
10/22/09
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10/22/09
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10/22/09
Summary of massive screed deleted: there are unintended consequence to this populism. Pay restraints have to get everybody, not just TARP guys, or you screw the taxpayer even harder. Non-TARP firms are feasting on the Phibros, Mitch Coxes, Bob McCanns, etc.
Proposed solution: wanna limit banker pay? Don't bail the banks they work for out. Liquidate the paper wealth.
10/21/09
10/21/09