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naugahydeinplainsight
10/15/09

So if I wanted to post something here about how that correction queen Alessandra Stanley has nasty things to say about Tina Fey's performance on 30 Rock [tv.nytimes.com] , I could put it here, perhaps with a photo, and then add various tags?

#30rock
#nyt
#tinafey
#alessandrastanley
#sacrilege
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Monte Wooley
08/03/09

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The Times should thank Stanley--at least people are talking about the Arts section now. Bring back the New York Sun, please, so this city can have the sort of arts coverage it deserves instead of the dutiful paint-by-numbers pablum we get from Sifton & Co.
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OldTowneTavern
08/02/09

In reply to Play-By-Play: The Self-Loathing NYT's Ultimate Alessandra Stanley Flogging
I am surprised. All this talk about Stanley's lazy fact checking and not one mention of her lack of insight and bad taste?
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obloquy
08/02/09

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While we're all in a tizzy about errors that make it to print, maybe Gawker should decide between figure dashes, en dashes, and em dashes, 'cus this post is all over the place. See also: the second graf of the Annie Leibovitz piece. Maybe Foster should go the Alessandra route and get a personal copy editor?
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snugbug
08/03/09

@obloquy: Oh, shuddup. I've been known to pipe up about misspelled words on Gawker but M-dashes? How pedantic can you get, dude? Plus, everything on the InterNerd is fixable. Unlike in print.
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MBM
08/02/09

In reply to Play-By-Play: The Self-Loathing NYT's Ultimate Alessandra Stanley Flogging
Missing from all of the coverage of this happy-go-lucky embarrassment to journalism is a fact known to everyone who's worked in a newsroom for longer than a couple of hours: The copy desk can save your ass, and the copy desk can hang it out to dry. I'd bet a Denton-scale amount of money that at some point(s) a copy editor tried to save Stanley from herself and in exchange got a heaping helping of attitude. It's a shorter distance than any high-profile writer would care to acknowledge from there to a Hoyt-administered public caning.
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Peter Feld
08/02/09

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I wouldn't say "even" Katie Couric; there was a little payback there.
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WretchedGnu
08/02/09

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You think the Times's piece on Cronkite was full of fact-free fantasy? Check out their obit of Derrida.

Needless to say, it was never corrected. He was French, after all.
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snugbug
08/02/09

@WretchedGnu: You piqued my curiosity, as I love Derrida.. I peeped his NYT online obit from 2004 and what jumped at me immediately was that the writer called him "abstruse theorist" in the hed (not a factual error but still: What a jerk!) and the writer’s definition of deconstructionsim, which is roooong and sort of malicious.

Also he misspelled École Normale Supérieure as École Normal Supérieure (TWICE in the same paragraph—nice!) and alleged that the 2002 doc Derrida was solely made by Amy Ziering Kofman, when in fact filmmaker Kirby Dick co-directed and co-everything the doc and he usually gets the 1st credit for the project.

Nothing on the Alessandra Stanley Richter scale of wrongness, IMHO. What did I miss?
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WretchedGnu
08/04/09

@snugbug: "Nothing on the Alessandra Stanley Richter scale of wrongness, IMHO. What did I miss?"

Well, their description of his work came entirely from The Big Reactionary Book of Filosophy, and did not address a single issue Derrida has ever actually written about.

"deconstruction, the method of inquiry that asserted that all writing was full of confusion and contradiction..."

uh, whut? Are you kidding me?

"and that the author's intent could not overcome the inherent contradictions of language itself..."

??? Where, what... Are they talking about his argument with Searle? Where do they get this crap?

"...robbing texts - whether literature, history or philosophy - of truthfulness, absolute meaning and permanence."

Can somebody please tell me what the fucking subject of "robbing" is here? Does it even matter in this random word-spew?

Could somebody please cite one article or book in which D argues anything about a book's capacity for "truthfulness"?

I mean, the Derrida I've read addresses the history of the concept of writing (in relation to speech), Freud's theories of memory, the concept of "spirit" in Heidegger, the ramifications of gift-giving in certain anthropological theories, questions of testimony versus confession, etc, etc, etc.

But apparently I'm wrong. The NYT sets me straight. What Derrida actually wrote about was the fact that "reality isn't real! Back to you, Steve Doocy!"
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If_I_Had_a_Poodle
08/02/09

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and the reasons this person is still employed are what?

in ye olde days, reporters got double plus secret probation for a misspelled middle initial
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MisterHippity
08/02/09

In reply to Play-By-Play: The Self-Loathing NYT's Ultimate Alessandra Stanley Flogging
Here's my favorite part of the article:

"Though the correct date of the moon landing was fresh in his mind, Manly said, he read right over that mistake. Catching it might have flagged the need for more careful vetting."

Here's something else that might have flagged the need for more careful vetting: the words "By Alessandra Stanley" under the headline.
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pssshwhatever
08/02/09

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It's hilarious/sad that what will get you failed out of Intro to Copy Editing in j-school won't even get you fired from the NYT, when done repeatedly over the span of a career. I'm pretty sure that my professors promised all of us that this type of stuff would screw up our careers. Of course, I've also had teachers in my life promise me that I'd need trigonometry somewhere down the line...
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Iwillnotauditionforastar
08/02/09

@pssshwhatever: I once had a Prof tell me on Monday "You never change quotes" and on Wednesday say "It's ok to correct their bad grammar in the quote."
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jorel845
08/03/09

@Iwillnotauditionforastar: Legally you can alter the grammar of a quote as long as you retain its basic essence. Maybe in your professor's mind he was making that distinction, but not expressing it correctly.
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Iwillnotauditionforastar
08/03/09

Changing grammar changes what the reader understands about the material facts of the situation.

If you want to talk legally, that's fine, we can debate whether you can get sued.

A reporters only legal obligation in their story they should be concerned about is accuracy.

Truth is the absolute defense.

Attorneys can manipulate incorrect information. Right?

"That's not what he said." "It's essentially the same." "Essentially? Is it what he actually said?" "Not in the exact words, I just cleaned up the grammar." "So you didn't report exactly that what he said using the words he used?" "Well, um no." "What else did you change?" "Nothing." "Do you regularly change words to suit your needs?" "No." "Just in this case?" "Well, I clean up the grammar." "So you do change words in your articles?" ""Just for grammar." "Answer yes or no." "Yes."

CREDIBILITY SHOT. Legally.
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BookishLookish
08/01/09

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I have a confession. Right after that pile of stinking doggy doo-doo she wrote about the death of Farrah F., she of blessed memory, I visited our local Santeria priestess and had a pretty powerful curse put on Alessandra. Like a lowdown dirty black arts thing that would make the mojo warriors down in Louisiana cry. I didn't think it would work out this splendidly!
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Peter Feld
08/01/09

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Now we should have a contest to find yet more mistakes in that article so the Times has to keep appending corrections. Kind of like "Find The Hidden Pictures" in Highlights for Children but more fun.
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MrInBetween
08/01/09

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Hack trick!
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Swordfish
08/01/09

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The correction is now longer than the piece.
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seyswho
08/01/09

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Oh, if only there were an edit feature for life.
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ShanghaiLil
08/01/09

@seyswho: If only! I'd have far fewer ex-boyfriends, and only a fraction of the number of sexual partners! Oh, and 2005? Sorry, I deleted it.
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