You could run JJ Florio against Giuliani and win. The only way to fuck that up is for the goddamn White House Chief of Staff to get involved in fucking New York gubernatorial politics during a goddamn economic crisis, two wars, a health care debacle, etc.
@Unsolicited Advice: I like your exasperated, spazzed out way of responding to this sort of stories, it is like reading a transcript of my own thoughts.
H2H pre-campaign doesn't have much meaning, I'd rather see the negatives on Paterson, but you've given me a bit of pause there. That's a big margin. Hmm.
Alright, I'm in for the plan. Let's send the White House Chief of Staff blundering into the fray to officially bless the candidate like a modern-day Boss Tweed. Because it certainly won't come off like a selfish, partisan distraction!
@Unsolicited Advice: I agree the WH didn't handle this as smoothly as they could have, but I'm with them in spirit. There is virtually nobody I wouldn't throw under the bus to avoid "Governor Giuliani," and lets face it--Paterson is way out of his depth. Of course, Cuomo's no peach, but... I think the WH is trying to ensure we're served the smallest shit sandwich on the menu.
They are rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. I'd wager that Romney will be the Republican nominee in 2012, no matter who the heck is in Albany, or Trenton, or wherever.
And could someone explain to me how a Cuomo candidacy is supposed to keep Rudy Giuliani from running against Obama in 2012? [gawker.com] If Rudy runs (and wins) against Paterson, he takes office Jan. 1, 2011, and no way he can immediately turn around and start running for president. On the other hand, scare Rudy out of the governor's race by nominating Cuomo, and hizzoner has nothing better to do that try again for the White House (which is a joke, but that's a different post). Again with the unintended consequences, Rahm.
@naugahydeinplainsight: Thanks, but we'll take a pass on four years of Governor Guiliani simply to spare the country the slimmest of chances that he becomes president.
@naugahydeinplainsight: My guess is that the idea here is as much to open the door for Cuomo to run against Paterson as it is to push out Paterson. It will now be a wee bit difficult to make the race argument with Obama on board. If Paterson wants to get crushed in a primary, he can.
I think this has nothing to do with Giuliani running against Obama, which no one is scared of under any circumstances. But Rudy's a formidable candidate for governor, and that's what they want to prevent. I don't think Cuomo chases him out, he just has a much better chance to win.
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They're not concerned about the Rudester running against Obama in 2012 - the GOP base will never choose him. But he does have some viability as a candidate for governor of NY.
That's a lot bigger than $36 million, and we all are paying for it. It's great that Cuomo is suing, but let's all remember one thing: it never should have happened in the first place.
Of course, this is politics and things could change at any moment, especially if Giuliani asks current NYC mayor Michael Bloomberg to be his running mate, as many believe he will.
And Bloomberg would give him a hearty Hells Naws if Rudy even tries.
Bloomberg > Giuliani in smarts, policy, strategy and balls... yes, take that both ways.
Not arguing or anything but this article poses a question:
If the Clinton Machine is so powerful, then how come it didn't work against a virtual unknown in the Democratic Primaries?
I bring this up because I have a feeling that, as ridiculous as she is, Palin could potentially be a formidable foe if you partner her "charm" and "appeal" with actual policy and brains. As we all know, Rudy has absolutely no charm or appeal unless he's in drag. Sarah is no mental heavyweight but when Rudy gets right down to it, he can be. He was one of our most ruthless and brilliant Attorney Generals and although a terrible human being, he was a good mayor for the city in a way.
So I'm wondering if the Clinton Machine is as powerful as we give them credit for, or is it just that we admire them but we question their agenda to do the right thing not just the thing that makes them look good which can be mutually exclusive.
Giuliani's private sector success is based in part on the possibility that he is still a player. Therefore, he runs for whatever office is open, to keep the fantasy alive.
@daveyjonesisdead: I agree. Giuliani hasn't been a player in while. Even when he was running for President last year. Which is why his partnering with Palin would be the only player-making role he has, though I doubt her ego will allow that to happen effectively.
Come on, man. Giuliani is not going to run. That fucking lisping scumbag is just trying to drum up support for his shitty security company. As much as he loves to throw cold water on African-American firsts (stalking, then running against the first NYC mayor for years; that "comm-yeeew-nity organizer" thingie at the Convention), the asshole would have no goddam idea on how to deal with that disfunctional state legislature.
@ohnothimagain: Well, he can always ASK. But it defies belief to think that Bloomberg would even consider the Lt. Gov spot, or Comptroller, or anything other than Governor (or Senator, but I don't see him as 1 of 100). Do you have a cite, Mr. Belonsky?
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But Cuomo's got a big problem. NYC politics, to state the obvious, is all about race, and Cuomo's already messed things up in that area. Of course Paterson should step aside, but (Smithy, back me up here) that's not how politicians behave (ie, rationally, in this type situation). I mean, what's in it for him, stepping aside so he doesn't lose? And Paterson's making noise about staying in and, more importantly, playing the race card left, right and center. That was a shot across Cuomo's bow.
As for the party, they can pressure Paterson to step aside, but they don't have the power to make him. And the obvious answer, a job in DC where he can't hurt anyone, would mean Obama appointing a very unpopular governor who is, well, black. Yikes.
I'm sure Cuomo's considerable ego will push him in. But this could get ugly.
@kneetoe: Yes, he pissed everyone off when he ran against McCall. Battling against another black man could be an issue. And I think there's a lot of Clinton fatigue in NYS - a lot of elected officials were forced to stay on board with her long after it was all over, including black officials who alienated their minority constituency doing so. My guess and prediction is: Paterson runs, Cuomo does not, Paterson beats his Republican opponent, who will not be Giuliani or Lazio.
Giuliani needs to run. He owes it to New York City.
He proclaimed himself a friend of police and fireman during 9/11, and then promptly shitted on them when it came time for a new contract. He disparaged NYC across the country when he was running for president. He illegally unsealed files to try to justify a police shooting. And, he is a pompous (e.g. America's Mayor) hypocritical (e.g. twice divorced, twice adulterating Catholic) dirtbag with terrible plastic surgery (hint: very few evil people look better once they get plastic surgery, even though not all people with bad plastic surgery are evil people).
An up-swell of anti-Giuliani sentiment on a public stage and the lost of his two companies is the least he deserves.
@theartdodger: After all last year's pre-primaries hoopla about President Rudy it was oh-so-satisfying to see him crash and burn so spectacularly. But it might be tempting fate to ask for a repeat performance.
Most politicians have immense egos and are somewhat delusional. But the truly successful ones -- like Bill Clinton -- have a deep emotional need that forces them to look outward and relate to others.
As I wander around the city, I keep bumping into Giuliani -- on the street or in restaurants. He almost glows with a sort of pompous cockiness. The man still believes that his 9-11 induced popularity can translate into something larger. I thought what happened in Florida convinced him that wasn't so, but his vanity pushes him forward.
@smithhimself: Next time you see him, smithhim, would you tell him I said I hope he visitis a fire station, slips and impales himself on a fireman's channel-lock rescue tool? Because if he had simply replaced the antiquated "handie-talkie" radios that failed to work on 9/11, many of NYC's firefighters could have survived that day. Oh, and if you want to punch his shiny new veneers in, you could do that too.
Things are absolutely getting worse, and it's pretty clear that if North Korea views Ling and Lee as diplomatic pawns, our government sure as hell doesn't.
Well, this is a little bit naive to say. The Government very rarely does diplomatic things in broad public view. I think the very singular silence on this issue, and the amount of people in power who are saying nothing at all about it, points to some pretty heavy State Department negotiations happening in some small quiet North Korean back room.
@Pope John Peeps II: Here's the thing: the silence isn't singular. Laura's high profile sister Lisa's been hitting the morning programs, pleading for her sister's release. The South Korean media is watching, and when Lisa flares up, they do, too. She did Today and Larry King, she continues to hold vigils and speak out. Now, let's assume the government is definitely working as behind the scenes as they can on this: why haven't they given Lisa a "can it and hang tight while we work things out" directive? Because they want some awareness of the issue? Because they'd just rather not communicate with the family? I'm not sure. I do know this, though: Current isn't saying anything, Gore hasn't said a word, the only thing said was - as pointed out by @cocobanal - Hillary Clinton's plea in the same hour she announced that we might make N. Korea a terror state again. Also, @if_i_only_had_a_heart: This isn't enough reason to assume the worst of North Korea?
@Foster Kamer: Maybe Lisa's the only one not willing to listen to the State department when they say "pipe down". You can't simply silence an individual, even if what they're doing is stupid or counterproductive. Certainly Gore of all people would know exactly what might be happening right now, and how potentially fragile the situation is? Maybe that's why he's shut up about it.
I certainly wouldn't think that this new administration would simply toss these two women to the wolves.
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Cuomo, however, beats Giuliani head-to-head. So in short, Paterson needs to get lost. What exactly has he been good for, anyway?
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H2H pre-campaign doesn't have much meaning, I'd rather see the negatives on Paterson, but you've given me a bit of pause there. That's a big margin. Hmm.
Alright, I'm in for the plan. Let's send the White House Chief of Staff blundering into the fray to officially bless the candidate like a modern-day Boss Tweed. Because it certainly won't come off like a selfish, partisan distraction!
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I think this has nothing to do with Giuliani running against Obama, which no one is scared of under any circumstances. But Rudy's a formidable candidate for governor, and that's what they want to prevent. I don't think Cuomo chases him out, he just has a much better chance to win.
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They're not concerned about the Rudester running against Obama in 2012 - the GOP base will never choose him. But he does have some viability as a candidate for governor of NY.
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That's a lot bigger than $36 million, and we all are paying for it. It's great that Cuomo is suing, but let's all remember one thing: it never should have happened in the first place.
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And Bloomberg would give him a hearty Hells Naws if Rudy even tries.
Bloomberg > Giuliani in smarts, policy, strategy and balls... yes, take that both ways.
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If the Clinton Machine is so powerful, then how come it didn't work against a virtual unknown in the Democratic Primaries?
I bring this up because I have a feeling that, as ridiculous as she is, Palin could potentially be a formidable foe if you partner her "charm" and "appeal" with actual policy and brains. As we all know, Rudy has absolutely no charm or appeal unless he's in drag. Sarah is no mental heavyweight but when Rudy gets right down to it, he can be. He was one of our most ruthless and brilliant Attorney Generals and although a terrible human being, he was a good mayor for the city in a way.
So I'm wondering if the Clinton Machine is as powerful as we give them credit for, or is it just that we admire them but we question their agenda to do the right thing not just the thing that makes them look good which can be mutually exclusive.
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As for the party, they can pressure Paterson to step aside, but they don't have the power to make him. And the obvious answer, a job in DC where he can't hurt anyone, would mean Obama appointing a very unpopular governor who is, well, black. Yikes.
I'm sure Cuomo's considerable ego will push him in. But this could get ugly.
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He proclaimed himself a friend of police and fireman during 9/11, and then promptly shitted on them when it came time for a new contract. He disparaged NYC across the country when he was running for president. He illegally unsealed files to try to justify a police shooting. And, he is a pompous (e.g. America's Mayor) hypocritical (e.g. twice divorced, twice adulterating Catholic) dirtbag with terrible plastic surgery (hint: very few evil people look better once they get plastic surgery, even though not all people with bad plastic surgery are evil people).
An up-swell of anti-Giuliani sentiment on a public stage and the lost of his two companies is the least he deserves.
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Maybe, but some dead horses deserve repeated beatings.
08/25/09
As I wander around the city, I keep bumping into Giuliani -- on the street or in restaurants. He almost glows with a sort of pompous cockiness. The man still believes that his 9-11 induced popularity can translate into something larger. I thought what happened in Florida convinced him that wasn't so, but his vanity pushes him forward.
Of course he will run -- and Cuomo will beat him.
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Well, this is a little bit naive to say. The Government very rarely does diplomatic things in broad public view. I think the very singular silence on this issue, and the amount of people in power who are saying nothing at all about it, points to some pretty heavy State Department negotiations happening in some small quiet North Korean back room.
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I certainly wouldn't think that this new administration would simply toss these two women to the wolves.