Virginia gave me one too when I got out the military. I never carry my handgun, and I only got the permit becuase it required me filling out some paper work and handing it in. This is hardly a big deal in the grand scheme of the rest of this story. His permit is expired anyhow. I believe it only lasts 6 years. #nidalmalikhasan
I have to say I am not fully understanding this post. Doesn't seem like there is too much grist for the mill here. Not sure this adds any interesting information as regards his concealed carry permit.
About as interesting as posting someone's application to Toastmasters or something.
Nothing surprising about AIT not sufficing to allow for concealed carry. Being trained in running around in the mud and shooting machine guns at paper targets does not mean you are a firearms expert (strange as that may seem). Military firearms safety (basically, don't shoot your own guys) is a lot different from concealed carry safety (don't shoot ANYONE and don't let anyone see your heater). #nidalmalikhasan
@britneyspearstears: I think its a matter of "the right is trying to exploit this tragedy for political purposes by playing up the Islamo-terrorism angle, hey, why don't we exploit this tragedy for political purposes by playing up the gun control angle!" Because god forbid a tragedy should occur without a political point being made. #nidalmalikhasan
@Fuzzy Dunlop: I hear that tennis-man. I argue however, that those who wish to see this as US v. THEM won't be swayed by official certificates or documents of any kind.
Be they for: Birth, Infantry Training, Operating a Vehicle, Carrying a Concealed Firearm, or the Completion of an NRA Personal Protection Course.
@Bipolar-Cop: I think you are fully understanding it. It is what it is. Just getting the documentary record of his life. I don't know what Toastmasters is, but I'm pretty sure I'd post his application to it. Do you have a copy? #nidalmalikhasan
NYT Story: 'Officer Who Shot Suspect Is Firearms Expert'
McKinley of the Times from Killeen: "Sergeant Munley, who is 34, is an expert in firearms and a member of the SWAT team for the civilian police department on the base, officials said.
She received two wounds in each thigh and one to her right wrist. The base’s fire chief applied torniquets to stop her bleeding, and she was taken to a hospital that the officials did not identify, where she was reported in stable condition on Tuesday."
This woman is the poster child for female heroes. She will be embraced, rightly so, by women's advocates everywhere.
I hope for her speed recovery, ney-sayers of New Gonzo Drifter. #forthood
@New Gonzo Drifter: This is such a pathetic attempt to redeem yourself after your earlier, ridiculous comments. You are not awake to the fact that almost everything you say and the way in which you say it reeks of sexist assholery.
I know this is incomprehensible to you right now, because you are handicapped by the social attitudes and way of thinking about the world that you were born into - that's not your fault. But it is your fault if you refuse to consider the possibility that you may be in the wrong here and don't do anything about it.
Another commenter posted a link to this: [www.derailingfordummies.com] If you want to understand why your comments are so offensive, I strongly urge you to read it all, and then think about it and examine your attitude and responses. Believe it or not, I'm trying to do you a favor here and open your mind. I'm not going to get drawn into any more conversation about this with you and I won't be responding to any other comments on the subject. #forthood
@Diziet_Sma: Wow! Thanks so much for your thoughtful notion here that I had attempted to wrongfully "redeem" myself here, and the further suggestion that I "refuse to consider the possibility that (I) may be in the wrong here and (am not doing) anything about it."
Bollocks.
You are blinded -- blind ... and so oozing with raging Feminist idealogue and indirect, first-hand experience that I'm not sure you even know what it is I am talking about when I assert my position on American women serving in direct combat roles in our nation's armed forces.
I did read the derailingfordummies bit ... I know the story. It is a great story.
So, what? Now because of that I'm supposed to reverse what I think is right, but you think is wrong.
Nope.
My post above was in genuine respect for Ms. Munley and her actions. She is a fu**ing police officer, and a damn good one at that. She's not in a fu**ing U.S. Army infantry unit serving in Iraq or Afghanistan. There's a monumental difference.
Lastly, to try and negate my authentic wish that Ms. Munley recover from her gunshot wounds is particularly venomous and ill placed.
Have fun being all full of piss and vinegar. I on the other hand, am attending to grown up stuff.
Why don't you go look up how you can get into the Earth Liberation Front, or something militant-y like that, cause sounds like you still have something to prove TO YOURSELF, not me.
Kim Munley's Twitter bio: "I live a good life....a hard one, but I go to sleep peacefully @ night knowing that I may have made a difference in someone's life." #forthood
And lastly, now that new details have emerged since this post's -- uhh -- orginally posting, the cop who shot Hasan is NOW OFFICIALLY A HERO, HAVE SHOT HIM WHILE WOUNDED HERSELF.
That is courage under fire. And nothing can be countered on that point.
This is dedicated to the uber leftist blowhards who accused me of blasphemy, of being a provocateur, of being an a**hole (see several hundreds comments below on this thread), and of shamelessly plugging my site, [lesneuhaus.com], I have garnered several hundred hits today.
Thanks lefty crazies.
Signed,
Moderate-to-left New Gonzo Drifter, nutter of the highest order! #forthood
As read the 'discussion' between New Gonzo Drifter and everyone else, I just have this picture of a generic fight scene in Street Fighter where there's a whole market place that's just cheering on. Oh and I imagine one of the fighters is Guy #forthood
Well, we did have Jessica Lynch. And Pat Tillman. This military makes up it's heroes, so just throw some women or football players in random. This event will have many "made up heroes", we always do. #forthood
I am not fundamentally opposed to women serving in combat arms, as some indeed do right now (i.e. artillery, MPs, pilots, etc).
But because some stud-chick cop stopped this guy, this should not be taken as an indicator that women should be allowed in the infantry (the people who do nothing but carry M-16s and shoot/stab people for a living, which is what most people think when you hear the word "combat").
Most women are not going to keep up with me on a 20 mile hump across the boonies loaded down with 70 pounds of ammo and other "kill 'em dead" goodies. Infantry is more than shooting people. It is door kicking, hand to hand combat, putting up with miserable conditions in unsanitary surroundings, and being bored 70% of the time.
Are there some women who can do that? Heck yes, I think that was proven by the VC in Vietnam and the Russkies in WW2. But those were desperate times for both groups and only by necessity were the made into trigger pullers.
Do I wish we were advanced enough to have QUALIFIED women and open gays in the infantry. Yeah. But then again I am from the bay area. Most people in the military are not from the left coast like me. I am firmly of the opinion that if we have a military that is composed of rednecks (and IMO we sort of do), but it is EFFECTIVE (as it unquestionably is), then we will have to take it slow with who we let in. National defense is too important to play PC games with. #forthood
@Bipolar-Cop:
"I am firmly of the opinion that if we have a military that is composed of rednecks (and IMO we sort of do), but it is EFFECTIVE (as it unquestionably is), then we will have to take it slow with who we let in. "
So, Truman was wrong to desegregate the military in 1948? Because if we left it up to the "rednecks" (as you called them), it still wouldn't have happened. Sometimes you need to kick people in the pants. #forthood
@New Gonzo Drifter:
I get the idea that the average American female has less upper body strength than the average male, and are therefore... on average... less likely to be suited to the combat arms. I absolutely do not advocate lowering physical standards for women to allow them to serve in combat- that would be ridiculous.
Why don't we just set one physical standard and be done with it then? 18 year old females, 50 year old males, if you wanna be a lifetaker and heartbreaker for Uncle Sugar, you gotta be able to lift/run the same as everybody else. That'd weed out the physically unfit women everybody's so worried about, and allow the badass chicks who can smoke every guy in the platoon the chance to serve their country to their fullest capacity.
Why don't we do it? Because the physical fitness thing is a smokescreen. It's just like the notion in the '40s that "negroes" in the combat arms would be bad for morale, and that no white man would ever take an order from a black NCO or, god forbid, officer. It was simply racism, and the notion of african americans being unfit for combat service today seems laughable. It's the exact same mindset that now exists about women. #forthood
@BuddyBradley: OK, I agree with you on everything except the "negroes" analogy from the 40s ... that was based purely on racism. Right? How does that equate to women not being at level of the top guy in the unit, cause it's not about just making it ... I'm not sure a woman would ever smoke the top guys in any average U.S. Army infantry unit. Seriously. That's competitive stuff ... #forthood
Racism and sexism are just different forms of prejudice, both equally wrong.
Even if no woman in the army can outperform the top guys in your average unit (and I have no doubt that some exist who can), why should they have to be better than the "average" men who qualify? Why not have a single standard, meet it or don't? Black, white, Asian, Hispanic, Catholic, Jewish, Hindu, male, female, gay, straight (oh shit, opened up a can of worms there...)? #forthood
Can't we leave gender out of it and say that anyone, male or female, who is a selfless, heroic bad ass should be allowed in combat to protect the rest of us who would be peeing in their pants? #forthood
I mean, yeah, women should be allowed in combat, but using an hours-old mass shooting, in which the victims were not "in combat" or even armed, as the foundation of your argument, is both wobbly and tacky.
It gets page views, clearly. So, good job, I guess.
But it seems like an odd time for...whatever this is. Pride? Journalistic relevance? A Gawker spin on why something must always fucking mean something else?
The reasoning here stinks, and the timing is awful.
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About as interesting as posting someone's application to Toastmasters or something.
Nothing surprising about AIT not sufficing to allow for concealed carry. Being trained in running around in the mud and shooting machine guns at paper targets does not mean you are a firearms expert (strange as that may seem). Military firearms safety (basically, don't shoot your own guys) is a lot different from concealed carry safety (don't shoot ANYONE and don't let anyone see your heater). #nidalmalikhasan
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Be they for: Birth, Infantry Training, Operating a Vehicle, Carrying a Concealed Firearm, or the Completion of an NRA Personal Protection Course.
So, on behalf of J. Cook: FIRST!!!1! #nidalmalikhasan
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McKinley of the Times from Killeen: "Sergeant Munley, who is 34, is an expert in firearms and a member of the SWAT team for the civilian police department on the base, officials said.
She received two wounds in each thigh and one to her right wrist. The base’s fire chief applied torniquets to stop her bleeding, and she was taken to a hospital that the officials did not identify, where she was reported in stable condition on Tuesday."
This woman is the poster child for female heroes. She will be embraced, rightly so, by women's advocates everywhere.
I hope for her speed recovery, ney-sayers of New Gonzo Drifter. #forthood
11/07/09
I know this is incomprehensible to you right now, because you are handicapped by the social attitudes and way of thinking about the world that you were born into - that's not your fault. But it is your fault if you refuse to consider the possibility that you may be in the wrong here and don't do anything about it.
Another commenter posted a link to this: [www.derailingfordummies.com] If you want to understand why your comments are so offensive, I strongly urge you to read it all, and then think about it and examine your attitude and responses. Believe it or not, I'm trying to do you a favor here and open your mind. I'm not going to get drawn into any more conversation about this with you and I won't be responding to any other comments on the subject. #forthood
11/08/09
Bollocks.
You are blinded -- blind ... and so oozing with raging Feminist idealogue and indirect, first-hand experience that I'm not sure you even know what it is I am talking about when I assert my position on American women serving in direct combat roles in our nation's armed forces.
I did read the derailingfordummies bit ... I know the story. It is a great story.
So, what? Now because of that I'm supposed to reverse what I think is right, but you think is wrong.
Nope.
My post above was in genuine respect for Ms. Munley and her actions. She is a fu**ing police officer, and a damn good one at that. She's not in a fu**ing U.S. Army infantry unit serving in Iraq or Afghanistan. There's a monumental difference.
Lastly, to try and negate my authentic wish that Ms. Munley recover from her gunshot wounds is particularly venomous and ill placed.
Have fun being all full of piss and vinegar. I on the other hand, am attending to grown up stuff.
Why don't you go look up how you can get into the Earth Liberation Front, or something militant-y like that, cause sounds like you still have something to prove TO YOURSELF, not me.
Hooah. Cheers. #forthood
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That is courage under fire. And nothing can be countered on that point.
Right? #forthood
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Thanks lefty crazies.
Signed,
Moderate-to-left New Gonzo Drifter, nutter of the highest order! #forthood
11/06/09
As read the 'discussion' between New Gonzo Drifter and everyone else, I just have this picture of a generic fight scene in Street Fighter where there's a whole market place that's just cheering on. Oh and I imagine one of the fighters is Guy #forthood
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But because some stud-chick cop stopped this guy, this should not be taken as an indicator that women should be allowed in the infantry (the people who do nothing but carry M-16s and shoot/stab people for a living, which is what most people think when you hear the word "combat").
Most women are not going to keep up with me on a 20 mile hump across the boonies loaded down with 70 pounds of ammo and other "kill 'em dead" goodies. Infantry is more than shooting people. It is door kicking, hand to hand combat, putting up with miserable conditions in unsanitary surroundings, and being bored 70% of the time.
Are there some women who can do that? Heck yes, I think that was proven by the VC in Vietnam and the Russkies in WW2. But those were desperate times for both groups and only by necessity were the made into trigger pullers.
Do I wish we were advanced enough to have QUALIFIED women and open gays in the infantry. Yeah. But then again I am from the bay area. Most people in the military are not from the left coast like me. I am firmly of the opinion that if we have a military that is composed of rednecks (and IMO we sort of do), but it is EFFECTIVE (as it unquestionably is), then we will have to take it slow with who we let in. National defense is too important to play PC games with. #forthood
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"I am firmly of the opinion that if we have a military that is composed of rednecks (and IMO we sort of do), but it is EFFECTIVE (as it unquestionably is), then we will have to take it slow with who we let in. "
So, Truman was wrong to desegregate the military in 1948? Because if we left it up to the "rednecks" (as you called them), it still wouldn't have happened. Sometimes you need to kick people in the pants. #forthood
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I get the idea that the average American female has less upper body strength than the average male, and are therefore... on average... less likely to be suited to the combat arms. I absolutely do not advocate lowering physical standards for women to allow them to serve in combat- that would be ridiculous.
Why don't we just set one physical standard and be done with it then? 18 year old females, 50 year old males, if you wanna be a lifetaker and heartbreaker for Uncle Sugar, you gotta be able to lift/run the same as everybody else. That'd weed out the physically unfit women everybody's so worried about, and allow the badass chicks who can smoke every guy in the platoon the chance to serve their country to their fullest capacity.
Why don't we do it? Because the physical fitness thing is a smokescreen. It's just like the notion in the '40s that "negroes" in the combat arms would be bad for morale, and that no white man would ever take an order from a black NCO or, god forbid, officer. It was simply racism, and the notion of african americans being unfit for combat service today seems laughable. It's the exact same mindset that now exists about women. #forthood
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11/06/09
Racism and sexism are just different forms of prejudice, both equally wrong.
Even if no woman in the army can outperform the top guys in your average unit (and I have no doubt that some exist who can), why should they have to be better than the "average" men who qualify? Why not have a single standard, meet it or don't? Black, white, Asian, Hispanic, Catholic, Jewish, Hindu, male, female, gay, straight (oh shit, opened up a can of worms there...)? #forthood
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It gets page views, clearly. So, good job, I guess.
But it seems like an odd time for...whatever this is. Pride? Journalistic relevance? A Gawker spin on why something must always fucking mean something else?
The reasoning here stinks, and the timing is awful.