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sirjohnoldcastle
05/15/09

In reply to Sean Hannity Dares To Ask: 'Is New York Times Promoting Godlessness?'
Hannity always gets the best looking guests.
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The Cajun Boy
05/15/09

@sirjohnoldcastle: That made me spit orange juice.
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i'm a bottle
05/15/09

In reply to Sean Hannity Dares To Ask: 'Is New York Times Promoting Godlessness?'
This notion that they have, that they think that they're victims, is dangerous. Combine their conviction that they've been wronged with an exaggerated Manichaean moral judgment mechanism, a sense of rigetous indignation and their innate and socially conditioned proclivities to physical violence, and you've got a volatile mixture on your hands.
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power_stroke
05/15/09

@i'm a bottle: By "they," you are referring to Christians, right? If so, I've been griping about this ever since I moved to Kentucky. The state is ~98% Christian, yet there is no shortage of self-styled theologians who talk about "preaching the word in an uncertain world" and prattle on about persecution. Yes, I understand that it's difficult to be a Christian in some parts of the world. But in Louisville - or anywhere in the US, for that matter - who is persecuting you?
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i'm a bottle
05/15/09

@power_stroke: I was talking about the far-right populist movement in general. These upper-middle-class demagogues are the worst, rousing embittered white people all over the country who blame everyone but themselves for their problems. People who then turn around and vote for a party that represents values of personal responsibility. These Fox News people are just telling these down-on-their-luck, angry nationalists and bigots what they want to hear.
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i'm a bottle
05/15/09

@i'm a bottle: I meant to say "supposedly represent values of personal responsibility."
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i'm a bottle
05/15/09

@power_stroke: Yeah. Who's persecuting these people in Lousville? Maybe the devil.
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Mediahohoho
05/15/09

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Let's face it, when your choices are suicide bombers, birth control deniers or people who mouth Christian pieties while practicing torture, being an atheist seems like the only sane way to go.
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Disco-Johnson
05/15/09

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I can't keep up with these trendy things. So, being a vegan is out?
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misslinda
05/15/09

@Disco-Johnson: You're still a vegan? That's so three years ago. All of the cool kids have gone wheat/gluten free.
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SeaBassTian
11/18/08

In reply to American Crisis: Atheists In Our Midst!
Anything that's guaranteed to irritate Bill O'Reilly and the religious right is OK in my book. But I have to agree that a billboard is not a very effective marketing tool. Perhaps, they should stage interventions at Sunday Mass.
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City_Dater
11/18/08

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A more effective method of recruiting atheists is to simply remind people that the popular conception of the afterlife is basically a party after the drugs and alcohol have run out...yet no one goes home.
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Triborough
11/18/08

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I am an Episcopalian, it is about as close to Atheist as you can get, but we have some nice music on Sundays and in many places some free sherry after.

If the world was run by Episcopalians/Anglicans we would probably be in a much better, more thoughtful, slightly hungover world. Ooh, almost time for elevenses!
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happymisanthrope
11/19/08

@Triborough: tried that once... British Empire.
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fileunder
11/18/08

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If You Loved Him, You'd Be Whole By Now
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Iceland Spar
11/18/08

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Wait - the atheists have seized the stained glass factory and coopted it for their neferious schemes?! This means war!

Oh, and Happy Birthday Aaron!
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Tremonius
11/18/08

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"Why do atheists hate America?"

There you have it. You think these christers could come up with all that amazing mythology on their own? It's like cooking from scratch; them as can, do, them as can't, drive thru.
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llamalash★
11/18/08

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shhh Okay, so this morning I go to wake my son and there's a brand new shirt hanging in his room that reads "Real Men Love Jesus." He's 18. I've always stood by the belief that I would be supportive of whatever faith they chose, or none at all, but now I worry he's headed down the wrong path. Church every Sunday, listening to Christian rock. He has a bible in his CAR!

This is how the children of gays and lesbians rebel. Next thing you know, he's going to tell me he's dropped out of college to attend the seminary.

Oh, and to be on topic, I support the atheist movement. I don't think it's okay to tell the faithful that their belief system is incorrect. However, I also think our society has a real problem with religious doctrine dictating our policies. The Christian evangelicals are a strong, wealthy lot though. I think it's important to proceed cautiously.
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katastic
11/18/08

In reply to American Crisis: Atheists In Our Midst!
Oh, for fuck's sakes. I've argued before how I think the atheist billboards, while certainly entitled to exist, are silly- anyone really determining spiritual beliefs based on roadside advertising is probably not someone you want in your corner. That being said, I am really tired of right-wing evangelicals conflating America with religion. AMERICA is a nation, and has nothing to do with God. They're two entirely different entities. It's as if someone claimed they didn't believe in wormholes, and I accused them of being a Communist. TWO ENTIRELY UNRELATED THINGS.
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Inescapeable Picnic
11/18/08

@katastic: We still make decisions based on voting here. Having them in your corner is the next best thing to having them educated and reasonable.
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katastic
11/18/08

@Inescapeable Picnic: Right, but are billboards going to get them in your corner? Or provoke a backlash? Why not invest the money in actually provoking critical thought-rather than in a printed soundbite?
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braak: You are, as usual, completely correct.
11/18/08

@katastic: What country do you live in? This is America. We make all of our decisions based on soundbites. Spending money trying provoke critical thought is as worthwhile an investment as throwing it into a big hole.
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SuhagWindies
11/18/08

@ClearAirTurbulence: @ClearAirTurbulence: @katastic: You are absolutely right to say that there should be no connection between American and belief. The problem is that the separation is disappearing. That is why atheists take out billboards and speak out. Religion is introducing ID into science curriculm, denying civil rights to homosexuals, and influencing court room sentencing. That's the short list. Secular society does need to stand up to this. Billboards are just a rallying point to remind people that they are not alone in their struggle, and other people will support them if they stand up.
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katastic
11/18/08

@SuhagWindies: I think you're over-estimating the importance of billboards, honestly. Why not pour that money into legal battles to keep church and state separate? Why squander it?
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happymisanthrope
11/19/08

@katastic: Visibility. It's like taking out an ad in Variety to protest the canceling of your favorite tv show (or most political rallies), it showing the general public that this opinion exists, enough people (and money) hold it, and maybe you should be paying attention to it.
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dado
11/18/08

In reply to American Crisis: Atheists In Our Midst!
Lateral flows of information on the organizational chart have proven not to be very effective.
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bjonston
11/18/08

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If God really exists, would I be able to say this without being struck down? "God does not exist! Hah. There. I said it."
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ClearAirTurbulence
11/18/08

@bjonston: Of course you would be able to say that if God exists, otherwise belief in God would become meaningless. God doesn't want sycophants but those who believe because they want to. Unlike Kim Jong Il or Vladimir Putin.
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braak: You are, as usual, completely correct.
11/18/08

@ClearAirTurbulence: Which I guess means God has the same approach to love as my neurotically passive-aggressive grandmother.
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bjonston
11/18/08

@ClearAirTurbulence: But I thought God was all into striking down the non-believers with a bolt of lightning or plagues and stuff like that. I mean it's been like what, an hour since I uttered my heretical statement of non-belief and as best as I can tell there's not a lightning cloud in the sky.
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BxgrlJeri
11/18/08

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I lurve heathens. Until they declare war on someone for not being a heathen. But then, that would never happen. Only religion seems to do that.
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Aaron Altman
11/18/08

@JLynRedux: It was a great movie starring that gal from 90210 and Charmed, right?
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scroll_lock
11/18/08

@Aaron Altman: I don't know about that, but I DO know that a certain beloved, prolific, hilarious commenter who never sleeps has a birthday today! HAPPY BIRTHDAY AARON!!!!
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Aaron Altman
11/18/08

@scroll_lock: Kisses. Remember, commenting is next to godliness! :-)
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gawkimo
11/18/08

@JLynRedux: Well, with the possible exception of Stalin. And Ghengis Khan. And Pol Pot. And the Chinese Revolution. But other than that, I concur.
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Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith
11/18/08

@gawkimo: But Stalin et al. (does Khan really have to count? He's a bit... old) aren't exactly the best or even relevant cases in arguments about secularism. One would be better off with people such as Sir Robert Stout or Thomas Jefferson. Who were for that shit anyway.
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