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Changed America Still Hates the Gays
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On a not so unrelated note, will that GMILF Cindy McCain be purchasing tickets?
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But personally and based on my principles, I'm just offended by the idea and refuse to let the government placate me with civil unions. Maybe we could compromise and have separate water fountains so kids don't catch the gay.
Bah
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You know, I used to be inclined to give that same qualifier (including what you wrote in the parentheses), but I came to realize that it was very heterosexist of me to do that, particularly because it was virtually always the case that it was unnecessary to provide that information. Sorry, I don't want to reprimand you; I'm just giving you some food for thought.
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Also, for you to be expecting love and tolerance from someone who just got the emotional equivalent of a boot to the chest is pretty thick, frankly. This outcome was devastating for a lot of people. Instead of patting people on the head and handing out simplistic non-solutions, try thinking about what they're feeling for a second. Or just being quiet. That works, too.
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I know exactly how devastating this is to a lot of people. While it doesn't affect me personally, the idea of banning two loving people from declaring a lifelong legal commitment to one another makes me sick. What I am trying to express (and maybe I'm doing a shitty job of it, and for that I'm genuinely sorry) is that tolerance means tolerating things you don't like. These religious assholes may naively think they can "cure" homosexuality, and they're just as wrong as you are for thinking you can cure them of their religious superstitions.
So, rather than telling me to be quiet, try to understand where I was coming from. I may not be parroting exactly the platform you want to hear, but I am trying really hard to find a way to end this amicably for everyone, and try to leave as few people as possible feeling the way 48% of Californians feel today.
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No one shouted you down, they disagreed with you. This is something that often happens when you express opinions about controversial issues. If you can't deal with being disagreed with and have to get pettish about it, then posting on a public forum may be a bad pastime for you.
In turn, I expressed my impatience with your self-absorbed "Oh poor me and my widdle feelings" response. It's hard to give a crap where you're coming from, because you've demonstrated very little ability to see outside your own bubble, or to own the tremendous condescension you're showing toward people who are actually suffering right now. You wrote me a nice note, but this comment is diametrically opposed to it. You'd have done better to write publicly what you wrote privately.
11/06/08
While the tone here got harsh, I want to thank you for helping me come to a much greater understanding of this complex issue, and for genuinely helping me to soldify my stance. I kind of take gay marriage for granted living in Massachusetts, and I guess I do have the feeling that in the end, justice will prevail. As I said in my private message, I am your ally in this fight. I'm done staying in the middle on this. Thanks for pulling me away from the center and into the real substance of this discussion.
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You're in CA? I feel better.
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Fuck you. Fuck you. It is about hate and marriage. Apparently, you can take away basic civil rights from people like you, but fuck you if you think I'll let you feel good about it.
It is hateful. It is hurtful. It is wrong. And anyone who voted "yes" on Prop 8 should be fucking ashamed.
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I also hate them so much that I wrote that hastily enough to make a bunch of mistakes. Such as:
It is about hate and marriage.
Should have said, "It is about hate and prejudice."
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Apparently, you can take away basic civil rights from people like you...
Should have said, "Apparently, you can take away basic civil rights from people like me...
I should never write a comment while shaking.
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Yo, dude? That bracelet you're wearing? WWJD? It doesn't stand for 'What would a jag-off do?' Now, get rid of that sign, call your mother and apologize for being such an embarrassment. Oh, and get a job, wouldya?
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But the legal rights for those few who actually make it work or are too enmeshed and/or dysfunctional to leave, is still coveted by a population who might just put "success" into the idea (and ideal) of marriage.
But sorry geighs, we don't want you sharing in our dysfunction...we want this unhappy horseshit all to ourselves. And the fact that you might have more stable unions than we have just burns our ass, so no legal rights for you.
Homophobes of the world: go fuck yourselves.
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And children can't be raised by gays (unless they're closeted and in a loveless straight marriage).
Fuckers.
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Lawyerly types, can't this be struck down as unconstitutional under equal protection laws?
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God, I hate the South.
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