'"We're not looking interested in digging up private details about private citizens," lies Gawker, stalking Goldmanites.' [Felix Salmon] [twitter.com]#goldmansachs
I took a Goldman Sachs girl to her Villanova Senior formal. Some hotel in AC. I'm pretty sure I was the first guy she ever kissed being that her mom was excited to meet me and drove down to Nova to say have fun. Got to the hotel and there was two beds, one she said was for me! That's all I got. #goldmansachs
First of all, my gut reaction to "finding out how Goldman spends its money" was: Models & Bottles. Upon seeing the words "charity", I downgraded to Bitches, Blow, and Forties.
As for the way the employees - well, let's refine this, the Investment Banking division, and to some extent the S&T division - are spending their money... We, the taxpayers, are endorsing this behavior as long as we're not agitating for reform. Rather than this semi-serious, semi-joking argument for monitoring GS spend, if you're unhappy about it, tell your representatives. If they don't do anything, vote with your vote, not with your slightly creepy surveillance.
Don't ascribe motivations to Goldman as an entity. There's nothing evil about the intrinsic business--at the end of the day, they are the ones negotiating and financing transactions that keep the economy greased. Instead, focus on the activities that fall beyond that strict interpretation and curtail those. Until then, we're complicit in this outrageous level of spend.
And I'm a consultant, so you know I hate those bastards; too many times, my Starwood Points have failed to buy me bottles or respect. They do come with that rather nice Heavenly Bed, though. #goldmansachs
Goldman is pretty evil though as any reader of #RollingStone knows. Rolling Stone has had excellent and detailed articles regarding #Goldmanstheft over the months - The latest was "Wall Street's Naked Swindle" by Matt Taibbi (I think he wrote most of them) in the October 15th issue. And yes, Rolling Stone has some excellent writers/researchers. #goldmansachs
The "Naked Swindle" article was discredited. For example, his use of the Pension system video made no mention of the rejection processes for those trades and the compliance constraints on writing options positions at institutions. He also materially mis-stated the process and clearinghouse systems for the share-acquisition portion of covering naked positions. Taibbi's sources are clueless kids.
I dispute that as well. The vampire squid is the entity making it all possible, the entity scraping the blood money off the top of each of your paychecks: the Federal Government. There's your bloodsucker; break out the forks and fires for the President and the leering cult of cash burners in Congress. #goldmansachs
@Unsolicited Advice: Ok, I get it. When the gov takes your money, it's bloodsucking. When Goldman does, it's the magic of the marketplace. #goldmansachs
Real estate agents, check out public records for that house in the photo. If he's got that thing zoned "agricultural" and he's paying less than $300k/yr in property taxes, we definitely need to go over there and drink his milkshake. (better watch out for snipers on the rooftops though) #goldmansachs
Goldman had to re-register as a bank holding company to get access to funds - then de-registered once they'd gotten them and paid them back.
The biggest problem is that there is an implied guarantee that the government won't let Goldman go boom, and will backstop it. They saw what happened with Lehman, and even Bernanke is on the record saying he doesn't want a second big unwinding.
Therefore, I think Goldman - like the commercial banks - should have to pay into a fund and hold reserves - like the commercial banks.
You can't trade and do business as a government-backed (and thus taxpayer-backed) entity and not pay for the privilege - or rather you can, but it is really more like picking a fight on the playground and then bolting while your 6-year-old kid sister's class takes the blows. #goldmansachs
This is salient, quality criticism. The implicit guarantee won't go away, though - I'm waiting for Moody's, S&P et al to start providing the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac disclosures next to the AAA ratings. I'm also waiting for bank-to-Treasury yield spreads to widen again, because who doesn't love arbitrage?
@Unsolicited Advice: I don't care if the guarantee doesn't go away - but Goldman must pay for it, just like other banks do. You want help when things get rough, you pay a bit in the good times. It's not like it is a huge amount, but it can't be that they pay 0, quickly "become a bank" when they need help, and then run back to their treehouse and say "you can't catch me!". #goldmansachs
The trouble is determining a fair value for that right. And I'd argue that shedding that perception is extremely important for economic function. By hook or crook - break up their business units if you have to. #goldmansachs
@Unsolicited Advice: There are so many ways it is going to be tough (and therefore, Goldman will fight it).
1. They have a lower cost of capital, since no one thinks they have bankruptcy risk. Costs them less to get money to play with.
2. No counterparty risk penalty - no one is going to refuse to trade with them, or require some kind of reserve. Therefore, cheaper to trade.
3. Ease of getting clients: hey, it's Goldman, they can do our deal, bridge our loan, and we won't have to worry about them being unable to fulfill!
List goes on, but you get the drill. Anyhow, I'm off my soapbox. #goldmansachs
@FormerEnglishMajor: I own shares in GS and I think that they should build reserves.
It is ludicrous that they can go from thisclose to bankruptcy one year (including billions of federal relief via AIG) to paying obscene bonuses the next.
Who invented the rule that they pay c.50% of revenues to their employees? Great, they had a banner year. How about $5 billion in reserves and to hell with the comp ratio? It’s not as though anyone at GS will starve with a $17b comp pool.
It would save them calling in Warren B in times of emergency. And it would save the taxpayers the next time the excrement hits the fan.
I can't believe Lloyd B didn't get the shit scared out of him enough last year to adopt this simple solution. #goldmansachs
@registered: I am home now but will follow up tomorrow. I just think the reserves thing should be a lay-up, and they are fighting it (I was at a Women in FInance dinner last week where Sheila Bair spoke, she said that this is what was happening with the i-banks) #goldmansachs
"...we're not looking interested in digging up private details about private citizens. We just want to catalog how are tax dollars have been spent, and see where $23 billion goes."
This premise is so off-base and outright dumb, I don't even know where to begin. #goldmansachs
700K per staffer is concentrated in massive payouts that will be distributed to a privileged few. Thousands of back office and lower-end people will be pulling in less than 60K in total comp at Goldman this year.
That's not the only think John has wrong - this is a recrimination effort directed at one of hundreds of firms that receive direct or indirect corporate welfare. That 23B is still 10B excepting the (admitted, and egregious) AIG benefits. But the stabilization of other banks, the stimulus package, and other subsidies have had derivative impacts on Goldman's balance sheet - and the average taxpayer's. Suggesting that you can determine the source of the corruption by pointing at Goldman, who merely acts most ably with the hand dealt by the Federal Government, is laughable.
@Unsolicited Advice: Good points all, but especially on the $700,000 average bonus. We have to remember that it's just an average. So, for every $2,000,000 bonus paid to a 26 year-old i-banker, there's a staffer killed, her lifeless body assaulted by Blankfein until he's satisfied that $600,000 has been fucked out of her. It's math, people!!! #goldmansachs
Not one 26-year-old is receiving 2 mil. Sorry. 20-somethings lying to bloggers doesn't make that meme true. AMEX will give any asshole a platinum card these days. #goldmansachs
@Unsolicited Advice: The average bonus figure isn't "wrong." It is misleading if one assumes that the bonuses are to be distributed equitably. I figured most readers would understand that they are not, and that it just serves as a handy way to conceptualize $23 billion relative to the number of potential bonus recipients. But point taken--it's a useless figure. Other than that, you're right, I love the military industrial complex and agribusiness, and my purpose in trying to keep attention on Goldman is to protect them from scrutiny. #goldmansachs
No, your purpose is to keep your editorial focus on "sexy" targets. This is a case study on the potential dangers of crowdsourced / pageview-reliant journalism. You're spending effort as an investigator on burning kids for spending freely at bars in New York City at the expense of the broader point: the subsidy-based patronage system at the core of American politics.
The banking crisis is a referendum on too much money in the hands of too few. You've covered Goldman in upwards of 50% of your post content - what about Uncle Sam? Or those other targets? They aren't sexy enough to receive an editorial mandate. #goldmansachs
@Unsolicited Advice: Seconded. Yes, 26-year-olds are making great money at Goldman, but your average 22-26 year old monkey is earning 90-200k (depending on seniority etc.) yearly working 80-100 hour weeks. I have a friend who calculated out his income over the last year, and came up with an hourly wage of between 12 and 15 dollars. The young employees are not the ones we should be pointing fingers at here... #goldmansachs
@Unsolicited Advice: Not to mention that Goldman is not actually any longer subsidized. They paid back all their federal commitments. How about the Citigroup project? #goldmansachs
Well, they don't have explicit subsidies. They receive derivative subsidies via the stimulus package and implicit subsidies as a consequence of TARP, even though they've exited formal TARP relationships. FormerEnglishMajor describes it very well a few threads up in response to me.
But broadly, Goldman's success is just a talisman of a totally broken payola culture in Washington DC. GS is just the latest in a long line of problems that have funneled wealth from taxpayers to special interests and favored industries. Targeting the kids at Goldman for bottle service is the exact fucking equivalent of picking a random orgy participant in ancient Rome and calling him responsible for the Nero fire. #goldmansachs
@twoeightnine: I wouldn't boast about that if I were you. It takes some doing to earn less than minimum wage. Do you have a trust fund supporting you? Because most people do not work for $3.50/hour.
On the other hand, you are grammatically challenged in the most hideous way, so please accept my condolences. It's a blessing you are employed at all. #goldmansachs
when china put the stuff into pet food that killed pets, the case was made in real time in our lifetimes that uncontrolled capitalism leads to greed and shortcuts that causes death. when it happened in this country a century ago, regulations were invented.
I think the worst part is that banking is still viewed as an objectively evil profession a year on, which is likely irreparable, because so many of the biggest figures had absolutely no idea how to crisis-manage PR.
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As for the way the employees - well, let's refine this, the Investment Banking division, and to some extent the S&T division - are spending their money... We, the taxpayers, are endorsing this behavior as long as we're not agitating for reform. Rather than this semi-serious, semi-joking argument for monitoring GS spend, if you're unhappy about it, tell your representatives. If they don't do anything, vote with your vote, not with your slightly creepy surveillance.
Don't ascribe motivations to Goldman as an entity. There's nothing evil about the intrinsic business--at the end of the day, they are the ones negotiating and financing transactions that keep the economy greased. Instead, focus on the activities that fall beyond that strict interpretation and curtail those. Until then, we're complicit in this outrageous level of spend.
And I'm a consultant, so you know I hate those bastards; too many times, my Starwood Points have failed to buy me bottles or respect. They do come with that rather nice Heavenly Bed, though. #goldmansachs
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The "Naked Swindle" article was discredited. For example, his use of the Pension system video made no mention of the rejection processes for those trades and the compliance constraints on writing options positions at institutions. He also materially mis-stated the process and clearinghouse systems for the share-acquisition portion of covering naked positions. Taibbi's sources are clueless kids.
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#MattTaibbiisanidiot #goldmansachs
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I dispute that as well. The vampire squid is the entity making it all possible, the entity scraping the blood money off the top of each of your paychecks: the Federal Government. There's your bloodsucker; break out the forks and fires for the President and the leering cult of cash burners in Congress. #goldmansachs
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The biggest problem is that there is an implied guarantee that the government won't let Goldman go boom, and will backstop it. They saw what happened with Lehman, and even Bernanke is on the record saying he doesn't want a second big unwinding.
Therefore, I think Goldman - like the commercial banks - should have to pay into a fund and hold reserves - like the commercial banks.
You can't trade and do business as a government-backed (and thus taxpayer-backed) entity and not pay for the privilege - or rather you can, but it is really more like picking a fight on the playground and then bolting while your 6-year-old kid sister's class takes the blows. #goldmansachs
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This is salient, quality criticism. The implicit guarantee won't go away, though - I'm waiting for Moody's, S&P et al to start providing the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac disclosures next to the AAA ratings. I'm also waiting for bank-to-Treasury yield spreads to widen again, because who doesn't love arbitrage?
#qualitycriticismofbanks #goldmansachs
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The trouble is determining a fair value for that right. And I'd argue that shedding that perception is extremely important for economic function. By hook or crook - break up their business units if you have to. #goldmansachs
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1. They have a lower cost of capital, since no one thinks they have bankruptcy risk. Costs them less to get money to play with.
2. No counterparty risk penalty - no one is going to refuse to trade with them, or require some kind of reserve. Therefore, cheaper to trade.
3. Ease of getting clients: hey, it's Goldman, they can do our deal, bridge our loan, and we won't have to worry about them being unable to fulfill!
List goes on, but you get the drill. Anyhow, I'm off my soapbox. #goldmansachs
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I was under the impression they registered (first time) as a bank holding company late last year and still operated under these rules.
I'd appreciate a follow-up. #goldmansachs
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It is ludicrous that they can go from thisclose to bankruptcy one year (including billions of federal relief via AIG) to paying obscene bonuses the next.
Who invented the rule that they pay c.50% of revenues to their employees? Great, they had a banner year. How about $5 billion in reserves and to hell with the comp ratio? It’s not as though anyone at GS will starve with a $17b comp pool.
It would save them calling in Warren B in times of emergency. And it would save the taxpayers the next time the excrement hits the fan.
I can't believe Lloyd B didn't get the shit scared out of him enough last year to adopt this simple solution. #goldmansachs
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This premise is so off-base and outright dumb, I don't even know where to begin. #goldmansachs
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That's not the only think John has wrong - this is a recrimination effort directed at one of hundreds of firms that receive direct or indirect corporate welfare. That 23B is still 10B excepting the (admitted, and egregious) AIG benefits. But the stabilization of other banks, the stimulus package, and other subsidies have had derivative impacts on Goldman's balance sheet - and the average taxpayer's. Suggesting that you can determine the source of the corruption by pointing at Goldman, who merely acts most ably with the hand dealt by the Federal Government, is laughable.
Defense is subsidized in the hundreds of billions, which allow #lockheedmartin , #drs , and #myriadotherdefensefirms to #stealingfromtaxpayers . #farmsubsidies float billions to #bigagriculturethieves . It's a #nationoftaxpayertheft , and your #GoldmanProject is scoped based on #misplacedpopulistoutrage . Yet for some reason, we don't have #suspicionforthegovernment because #obama runs it and he's #oneoftheogoodguys . Never mind that he's just the latest pilot of the corrupt #taxpayertheftmachine and that the solution is to #cuttaxes and #fearthefederalgovernment because they are not on your fucking side - and never have been.
I dig the new tagging feature. #goldmansachs
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Not one 26-year-old is receiving 2 mil. Sorry. 20-somethings lying to bloggers doesn't make that meme true. AMEX will give any asshole a platinum card these days. #goldmansachs
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No, your purpose is to keep your editorial focus on "sexy" targets. This is a case study on the potential dangers of crowdsourced / pageview-reliant journalism. You're spending effort as an investigator on burning kids for spending freely at bars in New York City at the expense of the broader point: the subsidy-based patronage system at the core of American politics.
The banking crisis is a referendum on too much money in the hands of too few. You've covered Goldman in upwards of 50% of your post content - what about Uncle Sam? Or those other targets? They aren't sexy enough to receive an editorial mandate. #goldmansachs
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Well, they don't have explicit subsidies. They receive derivative subsidies via the stimulus package and implicit subsidies as a consequence of TARP, even though they've exited formal TARP relationships. FormerEnglishMajor describes it very well a few threads up in response to me.
But broadly, Goldman's success is just a talisman of a totally broken payola culture in Washington DC. GS is just the latest in a long line of problems that have funneled wealth from taxpayers to special interests and favored industries. Targeting the kids at Goldman for bottle service is the exact fucking equivalent of picking a random orgy participant in ancient Rome and calling him responsible for the Nero fire. #goldmansachs
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You are on a roll. Thank you.
I work three blocks from the White House but have long ago abandoned my illusions of being anything but a Washington outsider. #goldmansachs
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On the other hand, you are grammatically challenged in the most hideous way, so please accept my condolences. It's a blessing you are employed at all. #goldmansachs
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finance, take note.
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