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Fri Nov 20
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07:44 PM
The equivalent of kicking a guy out of your party and he retorts, "Whatever dude, I was leaving anyway."
06:28 PM
Psalm 109-
1 O God, whom I praise,
do not remain silent,
2 for wicked and deceitful men
have opened their mouths against me;
they have spoken against me with lying tongues.
3 With words of hatred they surround me;
they attack me without cause.
4 In return for my friendship they accuse me,
but I am a man of prayer.
[...]
16 For he never thought of doing a kindness,
but hounded to death the poor
and the needy and the brokenhearted.
It's like the dickward that got the "man shall not lie with another man" verse tattooed on his body without noting that the very next verse is "man shall make no mark upon his body".
Douches all.
05:42 PM
On the one hand, I think there are several reasons this Psalm 109:8 meme is inappropriate and reckless, but not because it's some obviously coded threat against the President. As far as we know, it isn't.
If it said, "Pray for Obama — Psalm 109:8-9," then yeah, but it doesn't say that, and it seems a little premature to make generalizations and condemnations of whole groups of people over a line they 1.) probably don't all interpret the same way, and 2.) does not actually, on its own, necessarily suggest anything sinister.
I also worry whether this kind of media attention doesn't actually worsen the "Someone's Going To Try And Kill Barack Obama" hysteria.
I'm sure CafePress yanked it for business/PR reasons, which I can understand, but censorship — even of the most questionable things — leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
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06:00 PM
I'm more concerned about the lynch mob demanding for anyone sporting a Psalm 109:8 t-shirt, bumper sticker, etc. to get thrown in jail.
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06:18 PM
John linked to it rather glibly, and unless readers clicked through and read the original article, it wasn't immediately apparent that even legal experts are saying, "Wait a minute, don't jump to conclusions here just yet."
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06:07 PM
@Lysergic Asset: How about this shirt? A little more direct then the Psalm 109 shirt, don't you think? CafePress sold ths one for a while but discontinued it, as they should have. Google is a wonderful thing.
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05:41 PM
Douchebags.
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04:34 PM
@Kakapo: et voila! This is what you call "ironic"...
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03:42 PM
But that FDR meme/analogy/point your friends must think is super strong is even weaker than you'd think. FDR didn't inherit his office with massive deficits - he was able to take them on to fund World War II. Considering there continued to be recessions throughout the New Deal until WWII wiped out the world's manufacturing base and population of working-age males in foreign, competing countries, the Keynesian approach is hardly ratified by FDR's enduring influence on American monetary policy.
Of course, you're tired of hearing this argument, so let's just gleefully watch the dollar collapse a few years and see where it gets us. Okay? Then we can declare this stupid referendum over and start dealing with the unpleasant realities of a depleted planet with nearly 7 billion hungry humans on it.
04:12 PM
And Keynes did not urge governments to just run endless deficits. He said governments should build up surpluses when economic growth was strong and then use government spending to spur demand when the economy is stagnant.
04:23 PM
Agreed in principle, but it's a matter of timing, don't you think? Massive long term deficits will kill us, but the government had to run up massive short term deficits in order to prevent the economy from completely and utterly disappearing into the abyss, which was money well-spent even if it did postpone the comeuppance that a few asshole finance people so richly deserve.
If federal largesse is the one leg propping up the economy at the moment, it seems incredibly counterproductive to kick that leg out in the name of fiscal responsibility before the private sector has come back strong enough, wouldn't you say? We committed (half-heartedly, I'm sad to admit) to a Keynesian approach with the stimulus. Since we have already spent or are committed to spending that money, don't we owe it to ourselves to let that program play out? Any drastic deficit-reduction measures we take will have the opposite effect of the stimulus, making those many billions of dollars a total waste (ironically, this would be supremely fiscally irresponsible).
Besides, some of our current deficit will disappear simply as a result of higher tax revenues and expiring stimulus spending once the economy picks back up in earnest anyway, no?
09:52 AM
[www.law.cornell.edu]
Freedom of speech is not absolute. [en.wikipedia.org]
11/19/09
Cafe Press lets anyone create images and sell them to people too lazy to waddle on down to the local swap meet.
So, it's more a situation where a wingnut frothed himself into a tizzy, then went crazy(ier) with Cafe Press' template function.
Because true patriots try exploiting for gain the assassination of the President of the United States.
This is supported by the fact that the last RedState denizen who did the same thing had his items disappear, presumably by Cafe Press. Watch the same one happen here, then poor Cafe Press having to create some sort of macro to play Whack-a-Wingnut automatically.
Can't wait until Thankgiving break begins, because once all these guys get back home, cloistered together with their kin, they'll do what they do best: incest.
11/19/09
Yes. Yes. Oh GODS YES!
(Comment about Thanksgiving still stands, though)
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What you said.
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@Mediahohoho:
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I never wanted Bush to die. But I would have reveled in his impeachment. He's someone's dad, someone's husband and son...I just didn't want him in charge of the country. He had no blessed clue what he was doing, and he made deadly, deadly mistakes.
11/19/09
G'head, I'll give you a cookie if you can.
11/19/09
This time I'd like sugar cookies with extra weed.
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02:35 AM
These false equivalencies are common. But, as others have noted in this thread, several attention-seeking, unaffiliated protesters don't come anywhere close to what's happening now. I could rehash (if you genuinely don't know what I'm referring to, I'll be glad to add more), but others have said it better than I.
But I'll bake you a cookie either way, since we're having a nice conversation here. :)
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12:38 PM
This all aside from the whole, Let's Lynch Them Uppity People thing.
Context, my friend. Context. They're barely passingly comparable, taken in context.
01:28 PM
You make very good points, but I still think I have a valid point in that both sides play stupid games.