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    Image of Voyou_Charmant Voyou_Charmant
    03:48 PM

    In reply to How the Climate Change Summit Will Be Spun
    I'm still trying to figure out what the purpose of the "hoax" is supposed to be.

    Maybe I'm not lurking the right conspiracy sites, but the only thing I've been able to determine, based on a passing Alex Jones quote, is that environmentalism (as a whole?) is an attempt to steal your land. And then... I don't know.

    Can anyone explain to me why anyone could be so angrily against curbing pollution?

    That's what it really boils down to, as far as I can tell. Even if you don't believe that global warming/climate change is real, why would you choose to be against efforts to slow down/half pollution?
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    Image of ConAir34 ConAir34
    05:57 PM

    @Voyou_Charmant: It's money and control. It's always money and control.

    The #1 backers for Cap and Trade originally were Goldman Sachs and Enron.

    It creates a whole new derivatives market in Carbon trading.
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    Image of ConAir34 ConAir34
    06:03 PM

    @ConAir34: Sorry found some more for you

    "$94 billion that HSBC Bank estimates has been spent globally this year on what it calls "green stimulus"—largely ethanol and other alternative energy schemes—of the kind from which Al Gore and his partners at Kleiner Perkins hope to profit handsomely."

    That is from a WSJ article.

    It's always money and control.
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    Image of The Van Buren Boys The Van Buren Boys
    06:20 PM

    @ConAir34: Last I checked, none of the organizations you cited actually do any research. Yes there are some opportunists but that doesn't change physics
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    Image of ConAir34 ConAir34
    06:30 PM

    @The Van Buren Boys: But the only reason this business exists is due to tis research. Not to mention grants. From that same WSJ article.

    "Consider the case of Phil Jones, the director of the CRU and the man at the heart of climategate. According to one of the documents hacked from his center, between 2000 and 2006 Mr. Jones was the recipient (or co-recipient) of some $19 million worth of research grants, a sixfold increase over what he’d been awarded in the 1990s.

    Why did the money pour in so quickly? Because the climate alarm kept ringing so loudly: The louder the alarm, the greater the sums. And who better to ring it than people like Mr. Jones, one of its likeliest beneficiaries?"
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    Image of Helio Helio
    06:31 PM

    @ConAir34: cause only oil companies can profit handsomely right? Only carbon-based energy companies get all the "money and control"? Cause if you're a green company, you're trying to "force" me to consume something I'm not used to!?! Quelle horreur!

    If these energy companies are so scared of lost profits, maybe they should invest in "green" technologies too. It's not anyone else's problem but their own that they put all their eggs into a non-renewable resource.
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    Image of ConAir34 ConAir34
    06:46 PM

    @Helio: Enron was another big backer of earlier Cap and Trade legislation. Think on that for a minute.

    You seem to think it is more noble for "green" companies to make money based off of bad research than oil companies.

    "Green" technology will be embraced when it can produce cheaper and better energy. Technology still needs to catch up to that.
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    Image of Helio Helio
    07:01 PM

    @ConAir34: I should have said earlier that I wasn't pro-cap and trade, precisely for the reason you cited (that it creates yet another derivatives market) but where did I say anything about green companies being more noble? I just prefer there be more options available. What's wrong with diversifying the ways we power our lives?

    Furthermore, it seemed to me that you, or whoever your friends are that are concerned over "money and control," are not acknowledging that energy companies already have substantial "money and control" yet you (or they) defend them in spite of this new technology. Sure, it may be expensive/inefficient now, but the price of oil will only go up, and once it reaches $100, will I hear you bitching about windfall profits from Exxon Mobil?
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    Image of ConAir34 ConAir34
    07:10 PM

    @Helio: I am not really trying to defend energy companies. I just don't want Cap and Trade type legislation to emerge and I am very tired of global warming talk.

    If oil goes up again Americans will respond as we did before and stop using as much. There are vast amounts of untapped oil and gas we would need to use up before this becomes a real worry.
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    Image of Helio Helio
    07:15 PM

    @ConAir34: I'm just hoping we'll discover some workable energy alternatives before we ruin the earth trying to wring out every last drop of crude.
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    Image of ConAir34 ConAir34
    07:39 PM

    @Helio: I am sure we will. 100 years ago we had no idea what would provide a good amount of power (nuclear). 100 years from now imagine how different it will be.
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    Image of skt.smth skt.smth
    09:05 PM

    @ConAir34: You understand that this is what virtually every scientist in the country does, right? They are all competing for grant money in order to pay for their projects, so they write grant requests in order to make their cases. To argue that "ringing the alarm" (i.e. stating your case) implies that you are ginning it all up, simply because there's project money to be gotten for doing so, is specious at best. I mean, was this scientist pocketing the money and buying mansions with it? Where is the impropriety here?
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    09:08 PM

    @ConAir34: Of course, part of finding and developing new energy sources is criticizing the unsuitability, or noting the winding down, of current ones. In order to understand that we need something new, we first have to understand how what we have right now is insufficient.
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    Image of If_I_Had_a_Poodle If_I_Had_a_Poodle
    03:03 PM

    In reply to How the Climate Change Summit Will Be Spun
    Climate change is real. Deniers are either delusional or paid by the people who are causing the problem.
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    Image of Buttafooco Buttafooco
    03:11 PM

    @If_I_Had_a_Poodle: I absolutely agree but the message can get lost on those who need to heed it most when those delivering it are shown to talk the talk, but not walk the walk, as the Times article shows.
    Christ, I am having cabbage for dinner.
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    Image of If_I_Had_a_Poodle If_I_Had_a_Poodle
    07:43 PM

    @Buttafooco: The proof of the bad intentions of the deniers is this: if some portion of global warming is part of a natural cycle, shouldn't that make us redouble our efforts to keep from adding to it?
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    Image of If_I_Had_a_Poodle If_I_Had_a_Poodle
    07:55 PM

    @Buttafooco: The proof of the bad intentions of the deniers is this: if some portion of global warming is part of a natural cycle, shouldn't that make us redouble our efforts to keep from adding to it?
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    Image of Buttafooco Buttafooco
    08:14 PM

    @If_I_Had_a_Poodle: apparently, many don't share the notion that we should sometimes nip things in the bud......rather, they prefer to wait until the point of no return. Unfortunately, having read some of the cap and trade proposals, there are way too many loopholes for exploitation by corporations.
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    Image of Buttafooco Buttafooco
    02:58 PM

    In reply to How the Climate Change Summit Will Be Spun
    The Times actually has an interesting article about this, and the characters featured come out looking quite bad.

    [women.timesonline.co.uk]
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    Image of Nasdaf Nasdaf
    11:40 AM

    In reply to Obama's Afghanistan Speech: More Poetry, Less Terror
     
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    Image of aztecprincess aztecprincess
    10:34 AM

    In reply to Obama's Afghanistan Speech: More Poetry, Less Terror
    How about bringing back the draft? Since we are so concerned about fighting terrorists perhaps we should all pitch in, no? Nothing swifter to start an antiwar movement.
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    Image of Btwbfdimho Btwbfdimho
    12/01/09

    In reply to Obama's Afghanistan Speech: More Poetry, Less Terror
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    Image of Btwbfdimho Btwbfdimho
    12/01/09

    @#c17235242:
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    Edited by Btwbfdimho at 12/01/09 11:48 PM Btwbfdimho was starred Btwbfdimho was unstarred
    Image of snugbug snugbug
    12/01/09

    In reply to Obama's Afghanistan Speech: More Poetry, Less Terror
    I'm always fascinated by how they fold the US coat of arms flag during these landmark presidential speeches.

    Since that flag symbolizes the United States' theoretically equanimous stance toward war and peace, displaying it a certain way is very symbolic. Note how the olive branches are herewith displayed higher than the arrows; furthermore, in the televised tight closeup of Obama, only the olive branches are visible. Despite the proposed surge in troops, the mise en scène subliminally reinforces a message of peace.
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    Image of i'm a bottle i'm a bottle
    10:37 AM

    @snugbug: Excellent reading of the scene. It reminds me of that time when Colin Powell gave that speech before the UN about Iraq and they covered Picasso's Guernica because it would have otherwise made the scene so cinematically horrific that everyone would have run for the doors. The worst part is how Colin Powell later realized that he delivered an impassioned speech based on a tissue of lies. I remember how everyone serious back then listened to that speech to make up their minds. The international studies director of my university at the time had the speech on while I was in her office. Oh, such deluded people not to intuit that everything the Bush administration said was utter bullshit.
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    Image of NorthernLite NorthernLite
    12/01/09

    In reply to Obama's Afghanistan Speech: More Poetry, Less Terror
    So, to sum up: We'll probably have no government healthcare insurance, I see steps being taken toward tighter controls on a woman's right to choose, no improvement on the same-sex marriage front and an endless war in Mesopotamia.

    I'm so glad the Republicans aren't in power anymore.

    Oh well, at least in a few more years I can add: "Younguns, I remember a time when we weren't at war in the Middle East" to my "I'm So Old That ..." list.
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    Image of NotChoinski NotChoinski
    12/01/09

    In reply to Barack Obama Hates Jesus, Christmas, and Charlie Brown
    Oh, c'mon. "The Presidential Address To Extend Mideast War Another Year" is a perennial favorite at our house. The kids love it!
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    Image of m4ximusprim3 m4ximusprim3
    12/01/09

    In reply to Barack Obama Hates Jesus, Christmas, and Charlie Brown
    Luckily for everyone, ACBC will be shown on some cable channel EVERY NIGHT UNTIL CHRISTMAS.

    Seriously people, it's on like 5 times a week.
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    Image of GooberSaysHey GooberSaysHey
    12/01/09

    @m4ximusprim3: Well since the Broadcast rights are owned by ABC, er no.
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    Image of m4ximusprim3 m4ximusprim3
    12/01/09

    @GooberSaysHey: I swear it was on one of the movie channels the other day.

    Either way, the TV schedule shows that it's scheduled to air on the 8th and the 15th, so unless obama decides to make it a weekly thing, you'll get your crappy voice over un-funny comic fix.
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    Image of fuzzymuffins fuzzymuffins
    12/01/09

    In reply to Barack Obama Hates Jesus, Christmas, and Charlie Brown
    this is exactly why i have charlie brown on DVD. whilst obama gives a reason for more guns, i'll still have my excuse for egg nog and rums.....
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    Image of Spirit Fingers Spirit Fingers
    12/01/09

    In reply to Barack Obama Hates Jesus, Christmas, and Charlie Brown
    I say we make like these guys and do it ourselves!
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    Image of Conchie Birdie Conchie Birdie
    12/01/09

    @Spirit Fingers: Heck yes!
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    Image of OMG! Ponies! OMG! Ponies!
    12/01/09

    In reply to Barack Obama Hates Jesus, Christmas, and Charlie Brown
    Fuck you, Barack! Give your stupid address during Kwanzaa. Or did Jeremiah Wright forbid that?!

    Lousy secret Muslims trying to usurp our country and make sure that Christianity plays no part in goverment.
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    Image of Lymed Lymed
    12/01/09

    In reply to Barack Obama Hates Jesus, Christmas, and Charlie Brown
    I think this is the most patriotic act the President has taken. The interspecies relationships portrayed in A Charlie Brown Christmas are a major reason opposite marriage is under attack.
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    Image of Magister Magister
    12/01/09

    In reply to Barack Obama Hates Jesus, Christmas, and Charlie Brown
    It's because Linus goes on about the wrong "savior".
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