I think it had less to do with the woman not being clean and more to do with the fact that he's a big homo and is, therefore, repulsed by vagina. That's just how it works. #cyndilauper
@mattchew03: Yeah, absolutely, however, I don't get the repulsion part and do find it kind of offensive. You have no idea how often I heard the same story about some poor guy's fumbling high school experience with a "disgusting" vagina. I don't get it, I'm a straight female and I do not find other women's vaginas disgusting, not exactly enticing, but not repulsive either. Most lesbians I know who have slept with men at some point in their lives never comment on finding the penis revolting. It always felt misogynistic to me... especially the "eewww gross" parts of the story. Also, I know that not all gay men feel this way-- some are kinda into it.
@pony_express: Maybe the penis isn't revolting because it is similar to a long, smooth, large finger -- and nobody finds fingers gross, as a rule; whereas the vage is a wet, stinky, hairy, deep, nasty hole that bleeds a lot. #cyndilauper
@pony_express: I don't usually like to link elsewhere on here, but this just may be the greatest thing you'll ever read on the subject: [wordsmoker.com]#cyndilauper
@Understater: No, I say it as a gay man who has seen the Vagina Monologues 3 times (including once with the late, fabulous Nell Carter), who still finds girl gash nasty. /ew/
@pony_express: I don't think it's uncommon for women to find the penis unattractive from an aesthetic standpoint---like Elaine said on Seinfeld, it's utilitarian, it gets you around, it's like a Jeep. For others, it's just a matter of being familiar with it. There is a theory that The Frog Prince was told to girls as kind of a fable about getting over the idea that male genitalia is repulsive. Once the princess fell in love with the frog and responded to him physically, he wasn't icky anymore. #cyndilauper
@bytememehard: and let's face it, an asshole is also occasionally bloody, sometimes hairy, and not always so fresh. But see?? That is what makes the world so great, so many parts to please so many discriminating palates, all of which have beauty, if only in the eye of the beholder.
@pony_express: a word to the "ew! vagina" geighs: us vagina having hags had your back in high school. how bout a little respect for us and our lady parts, thank you. #cyndilauper
@cocodevaux: Oh, we've totally got your back. It's the front where you're kind of...on your own. And really, only the bottom part of that. Because we really, really love hooters. I mean, in the interests of complete honesty, here. #cyndilauper
@pony_express: I'm not sure I agree. I have many, many lesbian friends and I've heard several of them talk about how they think "dangly bits" are gross.
It doesn't bother me and I don't take it personally. It's just something they don't like.
I think it's fair for some gay men to think pussy is gross. I don't think all of them feel that way. I suspect there is a whole range between being curious about it, being indifferent to it and flat out not liking it.
And I suspect that there are a lot of lesbians who fall into the same spectrum.
Sorry, ACORN -- you're shady, and you've been busted. Whining that you were recorded without your knowledge as you encouraged people to break the law is just pathetic.
As a lifelong liberal Democrat, who worked for many, many years in the non-profit world, it infuriates me that organizations like this make the whole sector look bad. Most do excellent, important work helping real people who desperately need assistance. Shame on the staffers at ACORN.
Oh, is that it? Prostitution enabling ways is it? What a load of horse shit. You liberals are the scum of the earth. But listen, it's just whistle blowing, and isn't that what Mr. Obama wants? LOL. You elected him. God help us, we can all get by for the next 3 years without completely ruining this country.
Worth noting is that technically, Acorn's suing "because Maryland law requires the consent of both parties to record private conversations," AP reports. How that effects more mainstream media there I do not know. But in this case, it occasions a wonderful quote from an Acorn attorney: "While everyone, including them, agrees that some of the things they said were dumb, in Maryland we have a right to say dumb things in the privacy of our homes and offices without fear of being taped and without fear of being splashed all over the Internet."
How much does ACORN help poor people if it provides tax preparation advice and loans to pimps, who help destroy communities? Do you make the connection that helping to establish a brothel perpetuates poverty by promulgating the abuse of females and acting as fertile ground for hardcore substance abuse? This is where urban rot comes from, this is how it happens in plain sight.
@Unsolicited Advice: Yes, because two people in ONE office made a mistake, let's take down the whole organization. Do you make a connection between KBR's obscene profits during the Iraq War and Dick Cheney? Didn't think so...once again, it's OK if you're a Republican. I call BS...
Defense contractors acting on the behest of the US Government and a community organization/NPO receiving Federal funding are not analagous entities. Regardless of how you feel about the Iraq War, they did not commit analagous crimes. That said, I would have every expectation that the Federal Government review third parties that it provides funding to for impropriety and take appropriate action when illegal or questionable activities - like ACORN was caught on camera engaging in - are alleged.
@alboy2: And it seems to be a large organization -- maybe too large -- with its heart in the right place, even if some members have their heads up their asses. [topics.nytimes.com]
@Unsolicited Advice: Before we get all apocalyptic, lets remember that no pimps, whores or brothels were actually facilitated in the making of this movie. Maybe this will spark a criminal investigation by police or IRS, and we'll find out Acorn has done this sort of thing for real, but right now all we have is a handful of idiots talking to each other.
@Unsolicited Advice: "Regardless of how you feel about the Iraq War, they did not commit analagous crimes." You're right, because corruption, fraud, murder and sexual assault are all worse than getting caught on camera giving fake advice to an obviously FAKE pimp and prostitute. I'm not holding out hope that KBR/Lockheed Martin/Xe are going to be defunded anytime soon but ACORN should not be completely de-funded for a few bad apples (who have been fired anyway) when these companies continue to thrive and profit off of war while the their employees actively cover their crimes and the government rewards them for it.
there are bigger fish to fry. Or, nuts. There are bigger nuts to crack. Whatever.
"The Army's Criminal Investigations Command...said in February that it had 90 criminal investigations under way related to alleged contract fraud in Iraq, Kuwait and Afghanistan. Two dozen U.S. citizens had been charged or indicted.
@Nic Fit: While this is the splashy publicity stunt that got everyone to pay attention, plenty of people with purer motives have been arguing against ACORN for some time, including former ACORN leaders. They were always going to be a target of conservatives because they helped bring predominantly democratic voters to the polls; allowing this to happen anyway shows just how careless they were, and how much damage to their own cause they allowed themselves to do. The tragedy is that there are plenty of good people and causes discredited by association with a corrupt group that didn't live up to its ideals.
Also, seriously? They made a mistake? Telling someone there are 31 days in September is a mistake. Leaving a left turn out of directions is a mistake. Providing instructions on how to secure federal funding to finance criminal activity is not a mistake. It is illegal. Very clearly illegal, too...not even one of those gray areas.
This sets an interesting precedent... I suppose we'll be revoking the funding of defense and military contractors (mercenaries) who misbehave by killing innocent civilians in war zones? If all it takes is a few bad apples to disqualify a group from receiving federal money, I can think of a number of conservative pet projects and organizations that should be in a world of hurt pretty soon.
Of course, spineless Democrats in congress wouldn't dare, but still, WTF? Double standard much?
I don't think we're talking about comparable crimes, or comparable intents. But ACORN has revealed itself to be deeply corrupt, and destructive to the poor communities they supposedly represent. How many brothels and criminal organizations received tax assistance that facilitated their crimes? How many of them received loans to operate their businesses? Worst of all, their response to the corruption was to behave in defiant, dismissive fashion.
@flossy: I'm all for any group on either side of the aisle being defunded if they break the law.
But with all due respect, you can't claim this sets a precedent and then be all WTF, double standard! This literally just happened...it's a standard that was just set. Why not call some attention to these pet projects and organizations you speak of, instead of waiting for someone else to do it and complaining that conservative organizations aren't being defunded?
@flossy: I appreciate the sentiment. Unfortunately, Democrats and Republicans alike are beholden to certain defense and military contractors. When there's a lot of money involved, you can count on a certain level of non-partisanship.
@flossy: Given how many bad apples have been showing up in Congress lately (not that this is anything new), the defunding would have to start awfully close to home!
@flossy: The anti-ACORN law passed by congress would revoke funding and contracts from any organization or corporation that committed fraud. If the law is enacted as written. (Big surprise the Congress didn't think it through).
That is every military defense contractor and supplier (and health insurance company). Boeing, Halliburton, Blackwater/Xe etc would be out of business. BC-BS, Aetna, United Health would cut out of their contracts with the Feds.
Of course they won't go that far, and ACORN will the perfect case that the law singled them out and is unconstitutional.
Explain to me how defense contracting companies will be successfully accused of fraud? Why does this Iraq/DC argument keep showing up? It's like there's some liberal talking points generator online that isn't part of my RSS.
@Unsolicited Advice: It's not that they have to be successfully accused of fraud, it's that they only have to be proven to have "filed a fraudulent form with any Federal or State regulatory agency."
So all you need is one missing signature, one mis-spelled word, or some missing form, and you're de-funded.
And your "liberal talking points generator?" It's called the news.
I think we need to evaluate the law more closely. Not only am I positive that it's not that simple re: signatures/misspellings, I'd also bet that defense contracting firms have used whatever "cure" process is incorporated into the legislation.
More importantly, what right does ACORN have to federal funding in the first place? What process/approach led to their establishment and why is their funding sacrosanct enough to necessitate legislation to cut them off?
@Unsolicited Advice: Look, buddy, I got shit to do too. Why don't you let your fingers do the walking and try to prove YOUR own affirmative case? If you don't think it's that simple, GO LOOK.
And this isn't about ACORN, it's about Congress crafting a law which is unconstitutional on its face. A law can't deal simply with a single entity (regardless of Terri Schaivo), it can only set general rules. So by trying to craft a bill which isn't unconstitutional by NOT naming ACORN, they're making a bill which is so broad that it becomes unconstitutional by default.
@Unsolicited Advice: These companies have already been convicted and paid fines, it happens all the time. Just google [Boeing fines] or [HCA fines] or [ADM fines] for a start. Just a cost of doing business.
The point is that the law was so sloppily written that IF it was actually enforced it would cover any entity that was ever indicted or convicted for anything that has business with the federal government. Obama will find a way to pocket veto.
@Unsolicited Advice: I obviously missed out on the rest of this debate, but I'd just like to point out that the ACORN employees in question actually did the right thing and reported the fake pimp and hooker to the police long before this story broke: [hosted.ap.org]
Of course those employees got fired anyway! Can't image why they'd be inclined toward defiance or dismissiveness.
I would like to see the Republicans similarly defunded because of their prostitution-enabling ways. Also, David Vitter should not be able to spend his government salary on diapers.
Barney Frank is the one who chose to appear on a goofy show that's primary focus is joking around about Bravo programming, Brian. If you have an issue with him becoming party to such activity on TV then I suggest you take it up with Frank or his people who were either OK with this or need to do at least minimal research before scheduling appearances. There are lots of shows focused on political discussion and Frank decided to do this one instead.
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It doesn't bother me and I don't take it personally. It's just something they don't like.
I think it's fair for some gay men to think pussy is gross. I don't think all of them feel that way. I suspect there is a whole range between being curious about it, being indifferent to it and flat out not liking it.
And I suspect that there are a lot of lesbians who fall into the same spectrum.
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As a lifelong liberal Democrat, who worked for many, many years in the non-profit world, it infuriates me that organizations like this make the whole sector look bad. Most do excellent, important work helping real people who desperately need assistance. Shame on the staffers at ACORN.
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What, did he save the costume from the Pimps 'n' Ho's parties he threw in college?
Fucking racists.
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How much does ACORN help poor people if it provides tax preparation advice and loans to pimps, who help destroy communities? Do you make the connection that helping to establish a brothel perpetuates poverty by promulgating the abuse of females and acting as fertile ground for hardcore substance abuse? This is where urban rot comes from, this is how it happens in plain sight.
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Defense contractors acting on the behest of the US Government and a community organization/NPO receiving Federal funding are not analagous entities. Regardless of how you feel about the Iraq War, they did not commit analagous crimes. That said, I would have every expectation that the Federal Government review third parties that it provides funding to for impropriety and take appropriate action when illegal or questionable activities - like ACORN was caught on camera engaging in - are alleged.
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@Unsolicited Advice: Before we get all apocalyptic, lets remember that no pimps, whores or brothels were actually facilitated in the making of this movie. Maybe this will spark a criminal investigation by police or IRS, and we'll find out Acorn has done this sort of thing for real, but right now all we have is a handful of idiots talking to each other.
09/24/09
there are bigger fish to fry. Or, nuts. There are bigger nuts to crack. Whatever.
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"The Army's Criminal Investigations Command...said in February that it had 90 criminal investigations under way related to alleged contract fraud in Iraq, Kuwait and Afghanistan. Two dozen U.S. citizens had been charged or indicted.
[www.huffingtonpost.com]"
Those guys are getting investigated and busted. The ACORN guys will too. I don't see the double standard.
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[www.acorn-8.net]
[www.washingtonpost.com]
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Also, seriously? They made a mistake? Telling someone there are 31 days in September is a mistake. Leaving a left turn out of directions is a mistake. Providing instructions on how to secure federal funding to finance criminal activity is not a mistake. It is illegal. Very clearly illegal, too...not even one of those gray areas.
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Of course, spineless Democrats in congress wouldn't dare, but still, WTF? Double standard much?
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I don't think we're talking about comparable crimes, or comparable intents. But ACORN has revealed itself to be deeply corrupt, and destructive to the poor communities they supposedly represent. How many brothels and criminal organizations received tax assistance that facilitated their crimes? How many of them received loans to operate their businesses? Worst of all, their response to the corruption was to behave in defiant, dismissive fashion.
They're going to get gutted, and I'm glad.
09/24/09
But with all due respect, you can't claim this sets a precedent and then be all WTF, double standard! This literally just happened...it's a standard that was just set. Why not call some attention to these pet projects and organizations you speak of, instead of waiting for someone else to do it and complaining that conservative organizations aren't being defunded?
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That is every military defense contractor and supplier (and health insurance company). Boeing, Halliburton, Blackwater/Xe etc would be out of business. BC-BS, Aetna, United Health would cut out of their contracts with the Feds.
Of course they won't go that far, and ACORN will the perfect case that the law singled them out and is unconstitutional.
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Explain to me how defense contracting companies will be successfully accused of fraud? Why does this Iraq/DC argument keep showing up? It's like there's some liberal talking points generator online that isn't part of my RSS.
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So all you need is one missing signature, one mis-spelled word, or some missing form, and you're de-funded.
And your "liberal talking points generator?" It's called the news.
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I think we need to evaluate the law more closely. Not only am I positive that it's not that simple re: signatures/misspellings, I'd also bet that defense contracting firms have used whatever "cure" process is incorporated into the legislation.
More importantly, what right does ACORN have to federal funding in the first place? What process/approach led to their establishment and why is their funding sacrosanct enough to necessitate legislation to cut them off?
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And this isn't about ACORN, it's about Congress crafting a law which is unconstitutional on its face. A law can't deal simply with a single entity (regardless of Terri Schaivo), it can only set general rules. So by trying to craft a bill which isn't unconstitutional by NOT naming ACORN, they're making a bill which is so broad that it becomes unconstitutional by default.
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The point is that the law was so sloppily written that IF it was actually enforced it would cover any entity that was ever indicted or convicted for anything that has business with the federal government. Obama will find a way to pocket veto.
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Yeah, you've convinced me to do a little more research, I'm sensing critical levels of bullshittery re: this issue.
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Of course those employees got fired anyway! Can't image why they'd be inclined toward defiance or dismissiveness.
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