If it was those three actors, but directed by Terry Gilliam, this would be an epic, dark, unsettlingly fascinating film. As it stands, it will be a giant sinkhole of talent and money.
"If the missiles had remained we would have used them against the very heart of America including New York. We must never establish peaceful coexistence."
"This is a revolution! And a revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate."
The perfect message shirt for a saunter down Bedford, eh?
Nice time of year for cherry-picking dubious quotes!
There are mile-high stacks of che quotes out there. We could go back and forth all day long. His quotes are even less useful a rubric than his actions. Che was not the most successful military commander. He didn't really ever run Cuba or any other post-revolutionary state. His success as a liberator was mixed.
His legacy is that he's a symbol for anti-colonialism and solidarity among the world's poor people. I find it kind of off-putting when well-off white liberals try to denigrate the man's legacy. It's that same paternalistic mindset that the third world was fighting against in the sixties.
Quote 1 - Statement in an interview with a reporter for the London Daily Worker (November 1962), quoted in The Nuclear Deception : Nikita Khrushchev and the Cuban Missile Crisis (2002) by Servando Gonzalez, p. 111; and Fidel : Hollywood's Favorite Tyrant (2005) by Humberto Fontova, p. 24
Quote 2 - As quoted in The Cuban Revolution : Years of Promise (2005) by Teo A. Babun and Victor Andres Triay, p. 57; also in The New American Revolution : Using the Power of the Individual to Save Our Nation from Extremists (2005) by Tammy Bruce, p. 204
Those quotes might be cherry picked but they are not dubious. As you point out yourself, Che was not successful as a revolutionary or as a military or political leader. As a symbol for the worlds poor or disenfranchised he's no Nelson Mandela. However, as a t-shirt for well off liberals of all colors to show their 'solidarity' with the poors, he's been quite effective.
@James Tiberius Quirk: and another thing: he IS a symbol to the poor of the world but not always the same symbol. To many, he is a light of hope and possibility including some who met him or had parents who did. Then again, some others who met him think of him as a murderous dictator in his own right. every coin has two sides and you can stick up for him all you want but you must admit he did some bad things and is not universally a symbol of the struggle many people face. When rich kids who do NOTHING good for the world except wear a Che t-shirt are added to the equation, the backlash is obvious.
Honestly, I think the whole "rich american college kid t-shirt" part of it is irrelevant.
I mean, even in this globalized world, how many other individuals carry the kind of universal meaning in their legacy? Mandela? Maybe, but I dunno if his story is quite as potent...
"Sadistic love of violence"? Based on the sick musings of a bitter right-wing emigre? The vulgar, and thoroughly undocumented, criticisms directed against Che only reveal the political bankruptcy of the Batista nostalgics. Che's continuing example of revolutionary consistency and steadfastness, and his personal incorruptibility, are what resonate today in a world of Bushes, Clintons, Calderons, and Putins, to say nothing of rapidly imploding world capitalism. If the movie had legitimized the various lies that, for all their re-telling, have failed to dim Che's reputation, it would never have seen the light outside Miami.
Inc@lrubemp: So much wrong with this statement. Have you read the book on Che by John Lee Anderson? Che's problem wasn't in his steadfastness, but the fact that he expected all others to maintain that steadfastness, and if they didn't, he shot them or ordered them to be executed. Not to mention the cheating on his wife, assholishness he displayed as a young man, partaking in of whores, racism, and violently anti-gay rhetoric he employed.
Do some people have to die for a revolution? Yes, but there's a difference between necessity and simply because you want to. As for strategic military commander, he failed in Africa and failed in central America, so I neglect to see where this exalted reputation as a guerilla mastermind comes from.
Che worship is for teenagers and those obsessed and blinded with the romantic image of anyone deemed a revolutionary. Subcomandante Marcos makes a much better person to revere for you and your marxist buddies.
@lrubemp: Yeah man, and in Cuba everyone is a chess master that reads Russian literature and gets free heart transplants on request. That's what some guy told me at a meeting at the student union.
He cheated on his wife? Oh NOOOOO! Please. Are you really going to bring up hi "assholishness he displayed as a young man?" Really?
Che is a worldwide martyr for poor people. Nitpicking is irrelevant. If he's not up to your standards, who should some poor teenager in a slum in Panama or the Congo idolize? Ronald Reagan?
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They should have just adapted Elizabeth McCracken's Niagara Falls All Over Again.
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I'll only see this if Iggy Pop does a cameo.
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Is it the height/looks/vibe discrepancies among them and their characters?
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"If the missiles had remained we would have used them against the very heart of America including New York. We must never establish peaceful coexistence."
"This is a revolution! And a revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate."
The perfect message shirt for a saunter down Bedford, eh?
11/20/08
Nice time of year for cherry-picking dubious quotes!
There are mile-high stacks of che quotes out there. We could go back and forth all day long. His quotes are even less useful a rubric than his actions. Che was not the most successful military commander. He didn't really ever run Cuba or any other post-revolutionary state. His success as a liberator was mixed.
His legacy is that he's a symbol for anti-colonialism and solidarity among the world's poor people. I find it kind of off-putting when well-off white liberals try to denigrate the man's legacy. It's that same paternalistic mindset that the third world was fighting against in the sixties.
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Comrade Botswana,
Quote 1 - Statement in an interview with a reporter for the London Daily Worker (November 1962), quoted in The Nuclear Deception : Nikita Khrushchev and the Cuban Missile Crisis (2002) by Servando Gonzalez, p. 111; and Fidel : Hollywood's Favorite Tyrant (2005) by Humberto Fontova, p. 24
Quote 2 - As quoted in The Cuban Revolution : Years of Promise (2005) by Teo A. Babun and Victor Andres Triay, p. 57; also in The New American Revolution : Using the Power of the Individual to Save Our Nation from Extremists (2005) by Tammy Bruce, p. 204
Those quotes might be cherry picked but they are not dubious. As you point out yourself, Che was not successful as a revolutionary or as a military or political leader. As a symbol for the worlds poor or disenfranchised he's no Nelson Mandela. However, as a t-shirt for well off liberals of all colors to show their 'solidarity' with the poors, he's been quite effective.
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Honestly, I think the whole "rich american college kid t-shirt" part of it is irrelevant.
I mean, even in this globalized world, how many other individuals carry the kind of universal meaning in their legacy? Mandela? Maybe, but I dunno if his story is quite as potent...
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Do some people have to die for a revolution? Yes, but there's a difference between necessity and simply because you want to. As for strategic military commander, he failed in Africa and failed in central America, so I neglect to see where this exalted reputation as a guerilla mastermind comes from.
Che worship is for teenagers and those obsessed and blinded with the romantic image of anyone deemed a revolutionary. Subcomandante Marcos makes a much better person to revere for you and your marxist buddies.
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He cheated on his wife? Oh NOOOOO! Please. Are you really going to bring up hi "assholishness he displayed as a young man?" Really?
Che is a worldwide martyr for poor people. Nitpicking is irrelevant. If he's not up to your standards, who should some poor teenager in a slum in Panama or the Congo idolize? Ronald Reagan?
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And before the revolution they were all fat and happy, smoking cigars and playing roulette, right?
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