Maybe if they're really FOR MARRIAGE they should devote their energies to keeping people IN marriage or incompatible people out of marriage (which is approximately FIFTY PERCENT of all who get married).
Instead of worrying about the sexual orientation of who gets married, how about worrying about the fact that practically no one knows how to stay married.
In my experience, most crazy people say they are sane. Kinda like a lot of people say, "It's cool, my drinking isn't a problem," or, "We have our ups and downs, just like any other couple," two days after you get a call for help.
My point is this: trumpeting your sanity or someone else's isn't a a selling point. It's a warning sign.
@booge: Since his whole stance on gay marriage (at least the one he is openly expressing) is a lie, his claim to sanity might be, too.
He is just lying through his teeth when he says he thinks gay marriage should be illegal because of history. He thinks gay marriage should be illegal because of his religion, and his religion tells him homosexuality is a sin. Of course, he knows there are all kinds of First Amendment issues with that position, so he has to use this "history" excuse. It's complete and total bullshit.
@Rose_Selavy_pppffth: Yeah, what was up with that? I kept checking the url to make sure I was reading the Washington Post and not the Washington Times. It read more like an editorial than an objective article.
What I find most offensive in the article is the sickening subtext of their perfect, sane marriage. they have the perfect, wholesome, american dream marriage so they can serve as guardians (dictators) of marriage for the rest of us.
I doubt that Brown is gay. He's reasonable alright. I come from a family of liberal, educated, intelligent, even some hippie-ish Catholics who can wax eloquently about why Obama should be president, why there should be single-payer health care, why the war sucks, why Republicans suck, how we should help the downtrodden and support social justice all over the world.
Don't go there about gay marriage, however. I've had heartbreaking debates over this. But the fallacies are hardwired like their kids will "be confused" and that they shouldn't be exposed to "the lifestyle" before they understand it etc. It's that insidious.
@Trai_Dep: In light of her saying "I know many awesome women, and I've thought about what if I got together with one of them," my money is on Mrs. Brown going sapphic first.
@AndIAmTellingYou: That's not gayface. That's psycho killer, Qu'est-ce que c'est, face. His mouth is a barely grinning rictus and his eyes are dead, not smiling at all.
I can only imagine this poor soul is dead inside, and his bigotry is the only thing that makes him feel alive.
@AnnieGetYourFun: um...the problem "they" have with gay sex..as you say it..is NOT putting dick in ass..is is GETTING another guy's dick in their ass....HOMOPHOBIC WEINERS!!
@Artemisia999: Unfortunately, it's not hard to believe that it's necessary to explain that they expect their female partners to be fine with what they're claiming to be horrible and unnatural when it's done to them.
I think what those in favor of equal rights need to do is start asking Republican activists and politicians to take a monogamy pledge in support of heterosexual marriage. Dollars to donuts, this ugly fat fuck cheats on his wife.
@Mediahohoho: Eh, if they're willing to break the vows they make in church "before the eyes of the almighty God and in the presence of this assembly", I don't think they'll have much trouble with ones they make anywhere else.
@MissNormaDesmond: No, but they need to go on record someplace and somewhere after their marriage day. I think the ridiculous shitshow that is today's GOP needs to account for defending hetero marriage by sticking every available penis into every available hole. Mostly, I just think the media is ludicrous for not pointing this out.
They all cheat on their wives. Every last lying one of them.
@Mediahohoho: Look, if we're going to start a list of all the ways the media is currently ignoring its obligation to afflict the comfortable, and instead getting the comfortable a cocktail and something to put their feet up on, we're going to miss a lot of meals. And I personally get cranky when I'm hungry.
Two Million for Marriage, the organization's push to rally online activists around the country, was similarly unfortunate: Apparently no one at NOM had realized that 2M4M, the hip-sounding tag they'd chosen for the initiative, is also the abbreviation favored by gay couples looking for a threesome.
This reminds me of Patricia Heaton's little side project of anti-choice. So reasonable, so feminist. At least you can see Sarah Palin coming from a mile away. Not so much with the Feminists for Life.
@Banjo-Sea Kitten: WOAH. "Refuse to choose"? Really? "Awww, lookit the cute little girl trying to make her own decisions! Let's free her from that burden!"
@Banjo-Sea Kitten: Ugh. I have a dear friend who's a devout Catholic -- former Lesbian Feminist, mind you, but now more or less returned to the fold, although her husband isn't religious. I've had to say to her something to the effect of, "I'm going to respect your right to believe what you believe, and you're going to have to respect mine. Please stop sending me e-mails from these people, because then I write back to you and refute them, and that upsets you, and it's not going to do anything except create bad feeling between us."
Their arguments are mostly stupid, but it's the same sort of "reasonable-sounding" stupidity. What you can never get across to them is that all of their calls for better alternatives to abortion are great, but none of them functions as a justification for making abortion illegal.
@MissNormaDesmond: when they can get beyond gorgeous, empty platitudes and start talking about people (women) who can feel and think, then we might be on to something. But they can't.
Preserving the rights of an embryo over those of a 12 year old rape victim is just so moral and RIGHT. It feels so good! Isn't that reasonable that you don't MURDER someone?
To spout "pro-life" this and "baby" that...oh! Man, I wish I could, but all I got is the already living woman/girl; their messy lives and that doesn't look good on a placard at a rally. How do you distill down to billboard soundbyte the complexity of living and suffering? You can't.
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Instead of worrying about the sexual orientation of who gets married, how about worrying about the fact that practically no one knows how to stay married.
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My point is this: trumpeting your sanity or someone else's isn't a a selling point. It's a warning sign.
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He is just lying through his teeth when he says he thinks gay marriage should be illegal because of history. He thinks gay marriage should be illegal because of his religion, and his religion tells him homosexuality is a sin. Of course, he knows there are all kinds of First Amendment issues with that position, so he has to use this "history" excuse. It's complete and total bullshit.
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After the reading that drooling "cheerful" profile, I think he’s doing the reporter.
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While his wife is just "ohhh, yoooouuuuuu..., that's my Bri Bri."
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Don't go there about gay marriage, however. I've had heartbreaking debates over this. But the fallacies are hardwired like their kids will "be confused" and that they shouldn't be exposed to "the lifestyle" before they understand it etc. It's that insidious.
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[nomblog.com]
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I can only imagine this poor soul is dead inside, and his bigotry is the only thing that makes him feel alive.
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Cannot believe I had to explain this!!
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Right. And he also "knows" a lot of black people too.
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They all cheat on their wives. Every last lying one of them.
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Hahahaha!
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[www.feministsforlife.org]
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Their arguments are mostly stupid, but it's the same sort of "reasonable-sounding" stupidity. What you can never get across to them is that all of their calls for better alternatives to abortion are great, but none of them functions as a justification for making abortion illegal.
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Preserving the rights of an embryo over those of a 12 year old rape victim is just so moral and RIGHT. It feels so good! Isn't that reasonable that you don't MURDER someone?
To spout "pro-life" this and "baby" that...oh! Man, I wish I could, but all I got is the already living woman/girl; their messy lives and that doesn't look good on a placard at a rally. How do you distill down to billboard soundbyte the complexity of living and suffering? You can't.
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