Editors at The Daltonian were too coked up to comment, but did point out that their private tutors had basically written the story so why don't you go ask THEM and get out of their fucking FACES for ONCE because they didn't INVENT THE WORLD. #dalton
@raincoaster: I'm pretty sure I don't know you, but what's interesting is the paranoia I am now experiencing. Are you peeking in my bedroom window? Are you closer than that? ARE YOU MY DOG? #dalton
It'd be nice to see a online news paper really shake things up and not run itself like every other news blog. I mean, the hard truth is that the news will be online for free... So if the big guys hide behind pay-walls a large majority of surfers will be thrown to different websites. New big guys will pop up and become huge, if they can find a way of making money with online news. Be warned, there will be news pirates, aswell...
But I mean why does the NYT have to run like a standard site? Radically change it up, maybe more like fastflip, maybe not. But something unique, with extremely relevant ads. It could work
@brennanmceachran: I know a fellow trying this at Vancouverite.com but of course like everyone else, he's struggling with the model. He's the best investigative reporter on the west coast, though, so he DOES have an advantage. #newspapers
It was Sulzberger, who may or may not be the heroic pilot who dumped into the Hudson, who nailed the dilemma square on. Only nobody caught it. He said the Titanic was not done in by icebergs, but rather by the Wright Brothers nine years before.
He should know. He's the Captain Smith of this Titanic. #newspapers
I've felt queasy reading about all the Times layoffs because I've been completely guilty of reading everything, refused to pay for Times Select, then I get to see the fallout of reporter blood-letting practically in real-time.
If "crafty people" get news for free, then you will eventually just get crappy news. There isn't quality "free" reporting like, say, Watergate or even the recent Times Magazine on the hospital triage during Katrina.
My friends in magazine and newspapers have lost a LOT, and it is because I and so many others just want it free.
It was a huge error in judgement for newspapers to value "eyeballs" over "payment". The online ad thing doesn't pay for a huge newsroom. They might as well try pay firewalls and screw the "get the eyeballs and the ads will come and pay for most everything" failed methodology.
If you own a business, you'll take a paying, small audience over large group of freeloaders any day. #newspapers
@FormerEnglishMajor: Had a relevant discussion, which I remember because not many were. A certain author of best selling romance fiction said she had rather sell books than have them read. I asked, you have maybe thirty million books in print in several langauges; rather than six bux a throw, would you rather have thirty trillion readers for free?
@FormerEnglishMajor: Beautifully put. The trouble with newspapers--and with magazine companies like Conde--is that the old guard had blinders on and never understood how big the web would be, or that it would be a rival to print; rather, they saw it as a way to promote the print version, and the print version, in their belief, would be the version uber alles. It was short-sighted and foolish, but then that is the way of newspapers. Unfortunately, we need them, because as you, Former, and others have pointed out, bloggers are great but they don't have the resources to dig deep and investigate the big stories. That takes money.
And now, because you and I and others have had a free ride, the old media doesn't have the money to do what needs to be done. Foreign bureaus are closing, local staffs are cut, and major cities are threatened with not having a newspaper at all, let alone more than one so there can be different voices. If there is a no money to do what needs to be done journalistically, and no experienced people left to do it, the bad guys win. And that means the rest of lose. #newspapers
@Kimrod: Well, in fairness, when the question is "What if we're irrelevant in 5 years?" the answer is never "Fold up and go home." It's usually "Pay off lobbyists and dig in with the lawyers." That's why music still comes out on CD, the postal service doesn't fire anybody despite a 2.8 billion dollar hole, and Chrysler is still allowed to produce terrible automobiles. Can't wait for the blog link lawsuits that have been brewing for years! #toomanygoddamnpeopleonthisplaney...
@Tremonius: Precisely, with their center-of-the-universe attitude they may have been able in the past...to convince readers of that...but they are dying on the vine like used car salesman. I feel no loyalty to them.
Newspapers have fought this for several decades, but have failed to invent an action plan to sustain survivability in a fast-changing, world. I guess you could throw magazines in there, too. Conde Nast, Forbes, etc., are puking all over themselves.
As the taste for news diversified, so did people's tastes. NYT is stodgy; stuck in an old-money, old-tradition journalism mode, not at all hip to youngsters or young adults who are seeking new modes of communication like blogging, podcasts, texting, etc. (can't wait to see where it goes in 10-20 years or so).
Or, they just tune out to every day affairs and quite frankly, don't care about any thing else. It stuns me how little they know of current affairs. #newspapers
@Kimrod: I kept wondering why it was the local newspaper in this area which voted for the withered old clone McGoo at the 19% rate had half of its op-ed pages filled with wingnuts and neocons. It occurred to me that, while the area is overwhelmingly progressive, the readership of newspapers is largely comprised of the one demographic in which McGoo did well: the olds. #newspapers
@Kimrod: I'm curious as to the source of the extra-special disdain for the publishing industry. Last time I checked, my friends who were getting by making music are all struggling now because of people wanting everything online and free (or they are forced to tour nonstop as that is their only source of revenue); my filmmaker friends are likewise having a tough time because of the digital/"we want free stuff" revolution.
I get that Gawker is home of snark or whatever but seriously all the cheering around here every time a bunch of writers and editors get fired is fucking gross. I spent last year covering the election--now almost everyone I worked with is out of a job. A friend who is a war reporter hasn't been able to get anyone to send him on a story in six months. We aren't "puking all over ourselves." We're looking for work, as our our editors, some of whom (gasp) were decent people who worked for Conde Nast.
Change is hard for any industry--in fact I'd be hard-pressed to think of any who handle it well. Certainly Detroit didn't deal with the rise of foreign production well. Television screwed itself with an over-reliance on reality programming.
I'm sure that had one of these sage commenting analysts been involved, none of these meltdowns would have occurred. #newspapers
"I get that Gawker is home of snark or whatever but seriously all the cheering around here every time a bunch of writers and editors get fired is fucking gross."
-I agree. I don't wish for anyone to lose their job, never have. I am one of those surplused victims. I don't feel compelled to support the NYT just to keep the doors open. I love the paper, but don't live there and can't relate to a majority of the content.
"We aren't "puking all over ourselves."
-Referencing the cuts in staff across the board, not showing extra special disdain for publishing. It's sad, period. It's sick that it is happening, I never dreamed of this. You took my statement the wrong way.
"I'm sure that had one of these sage commenting analysts been involved, none of these meltdowns would have occurred."
-That's just a cheap shot at the posters and the open discussion. You know nothing about us anymore that we do about you. How do you know we aren't working behind the scenes to employ those affected?
I hope those guys run off and found their own little useless blogs - the death of the newspaper columnist is long-awaited in my camp. These guys are far more dependant on the brands of their papers than they ever realized, and seeing the looks on their faces and reading their public rants when they find out is going to be marvelous. And if Friedman's one of them? Why, that'll be just like sipping piping hot flat-Earth Sri Lankan tea in your slippers and robe while peering through the window fog at a wintry hellscape. #newspapers
@If_I_Had_a_Poodle: My aunt was widely traveled and sometimes with Arlene Francis's other cousin, and her news source was also cab drivers, who told her what she already knew, which is de rigeur in the south. It was the sixties, and DC, and the subject was war resistance, and the cabbie said, "Why should these bums work; Red China pays 'em fifty dollars a day to protest."
He was working behind a firewall of twenty dollars from the airport to the hotel. #newspapers
@If_I_Had_a_Poodle: It would be one dull and unrewarding ride, but it would be better than seeing that mug spread everywhere else. I'd rather find Ben Bailey as my cab driver, thanks. #newspapers
@misslinda: Lisa Loveit-Loveit from QVC gives it to you in delectable bite-sized chunks - "... only pennies a day" - which is always true according to how many days you're figuring. #newspapers
@Mo MoDo: Good point. NYTimes, take note--you need to get your subscribers laid, so you're going to have to add an entire section for escort ads. You can call it The Times Titillates. #newspapers
The real question is whether they're going to limit the number of computers that can be used to access an account. My family's all been using the same account to download crosswords for going on a decade, and I don't effing have the money for my own account. Sanctuary!!!! #newspapers
I think Apple is doing publishers a favor here, not the other way 'round. One could easily imagine dumping the NYT as a featured aspect of the tablet without much impact on sales. #appletablet
The Apple Slate sounds pretty cool you have to admit. Tablet has been inexorably linked to to PC and Windows. It's obvious that Apple would want to create their own branding. #paperofrecord
Oh dear.
I hope Bill doesn't have a Florida home with a deep swimming pool. Because suspicious swimming pool deaths come in threes, and Apple PR ninjas are merciless and efficient (and dress so sharply!) #paperofrecord
The only way this thing is going to save journalism is that when its initially announced, the so called "first-adopters" are going to buy subscriptions to the only available content. You're going to have X amount of smug Apple geeks paying a year's subscription until the thing is a) hacked or b) the Times folds. #paperofrecord
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But I mean why does the NYT have to run like a standard site? Radically change it up, maybe more like fastflip, maybe not. But something unique, with extremely relevant ads. It could work
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He should know. He's the Captain Smith of this Titanic. #newspapers
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If "crafty people" get news for free, then you will eventually just get crappy news. There isn't quality "free" reporting like, say, Watergate or even the recent Times Magazine on the hospital triage during Katrina.
My friends in magazine and newspapers have lost a LOT, and it is because I and so many others just want it free.
It was a huge error in judgement for newspapers to value "eyeballs" over "payment". The online ad thing doesn't pay for a huge newsroom. They might as well try pay firewalls and screw the "get the eyeballs and the ads will come and pay for most everything" failed methodology.
If you own a business, you'll take a paying, small audience over large group of freeloaders any day. #newspapers
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Her reply was quite clever, but you know writers.
"No." #newspapers
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And now, because you and I and others have had a free ride, the old media doesn't have the money to do what needs to be done. Foreign bureaus are closing, local staffs are cut, and major cities are threatened with not having a newspaper at all, let alone more than one so there can be different voices. If there is a no money to do what needs to be done journalistically, and no experienced people left to do it, the bad guys win. And that means the rest of lose. #newspapers
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With the options available to news readers/viewers, I'd say, don't let the door smack you in the ass on your way out.
It isn't important enough for me when I have a bazillion other outlets for news that doesn't cost me a dime.
I suffer from news-overload most days, especially the day that damn ballon went aloft. #newspapers
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Newspapers have fought this for several decades, but have failed to invent an action plan to sustain survivability in a fast-changing, world. I guess you could throw magazines in there, too. Conde Nast, Forbes, etc., are puking all over themselves.
As the taste for news diversified, so did people's tastes. NYT is stodgy; stuck in an old-money, old-tradition journalism mode, not at all hip to youngsters or young adults who are seeking new modes of communication like blogging, podcasts, texting, etc. (can't wait to see where it goes in 10-20 years or so).
Or, they just tune out to every day affairs and quite frankly, don't care about any thing else. It stuns me how little they know of current affairs. #newspapers
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I get that Gawker is home of snark or whatever but seriously all the cheering around here every time a bunch of writers and editors get fired is fucking gross. I spent last year covering the election--now almost everyone I worked with is out of a job. A friend who is a war reporter hasn't been able to get anyone to send him on a story in six months. We aren't "puking all over ourselves." We're looking for work, as our our editors, some of whom (gasp) were decent people who worked for Conde Nast.
Change is hard for any industry--in fact I'd be hard-pressed to think of any who handle it well. Certainly Detroit didn't deal with the rise of foreign production well. Television screwed itself with an over-reliance on reality programming.
I'm sure that had one of these sage commenting analysts been involved, none of these meltdowns would have occurred. #newspapers
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"I get that Gawker is home of snark or whatever but seriously all the cheering around here every time a bunch of writers and editors get fired is fucking gross."
-I agree. I don't wish for anyone to lose their job, never have. I am one of those surplused victims. I don't feel compelled to support the NYT just to keep the doors open. I love the paper, but don't live there and can't relate to a majority of the content.
"We aren't "puking all over ourselves."
-Referencing the cuts in staff across the board, not showing extra special disdain for publishing. It's sad, period. It's sick that it is happening, I never dreamed of this. You took my statement the wrong way.
"I'm sure that had one of these sage commenting analysts been involved, none of these meltdowns would have occurred."
-That's just a cheap shot at the posters and the open discussion. You know nothing about us anymore that we do about you. How do you know we aren't working behind the scenes to employ those affected?
Extra-special disdain noted. #newspapers
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He was working behind a firewall of twenty dollars from the airport to the hotel. #newspapers
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You know what would be awesome? Getting into a cab and seeing that The Moustache of Understanding was driving it. #newspapers
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I hope Bill doesn't have a Florida home with a deep swimming pool. Because suspicious swimming pool deaths come in threes, and Apple PR ninjas are merciless and efficient (and dress so sharply!) #paperofrecord
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