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    Image of ninety_nine ninety_nine
    06/14/09

    In reply to Kiss The Ring: Bank Of America Takes Mercy On Their Pitiful, Ant-Like, Broke Customers
    It should be generally noted that banks processing debits and credits in a specific order. Meaning that they take money OUT of your account FIRST, then put money in. Regulatory changes over the past couple years regarding settlement have evolved, but I don't see that stuff regularly, so I don't know what is required (some banks are 'nicer' than others). Generally, think of all daily transactions as happening after the bank closes (say, 6PM). All withdrawals (debits) -- checks, ATMs, etc., occur in order they arrive, followed by credits -- deposits, refunds, transfers -- then flow in. Generally, if you end up with a positive balance after the credits are processed, you will be okay. But if a deposited check is not fully available, you might be overdrawn (which is when your current balance and available balance are unequal). Mileage may vary, due to the type of relationship you have, the bank, etc.


    This, strictly speaking, isn't how it happens, allowing for things like deposit availability (when a check clears), but understand that if you deposit cash at 4PM Monday that covers a series of transactions from the weekend that would make you overdrawn does not guarantee you won't get hit with a bundle of overdraft fees. Rationally speaking, it should (after all, if the bank is zeroing out all your daily transactions at once, no money has been lost if you end up with a positive balance), but, you know, banks. If you imagine that an overdrawn amount as a bell that rings every time you are mathematically in the red, you can see how the bell rings five times before you cash deposit hits, and voila, 5 overdraft fees, even though by 7PM Monday your account is adequately funded.


    Until federal bank regs are overhauled so that settlement occurs immediately (something that is, generally speaking, technically viable), you can fume at banks all you want, but you can't really stop them, so keep the above in mind, since it mirrors the way accounts were processed before ATMs (this is the 'batch processing' that Gladwell was referring to in his latest opus of idiocy) and various settlement advances happened. It should generally protect you from fee problems, but also will constrain your spending. Just because online banking looks immediate and feels like it is the last word, it may well not be the case.


    Generally, avoid combo ATM/Debit cards, and use a monthly intermediary like AMEX to fund card purchasing, or online payments (like PayPal), unless you check on or manage your frequently. AMEX requires more discipline, but the liability issues about a Debit card are not worth the headache, and AMEX has excellent fraud management. When you use AMEX, you are basically withholding final settlement of your liability, which is not a bad personal policy, provided you manage your cash. It will be the only leverage you get, so take what you can, since everyone else is. Your employer makes you wait two weeks for pay, the government holds your estimated takes up to a year before issuing the refund you are due, so why shouldn't you delay final settlement as long as possible?

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    Image of Foster Kamer Foster Kamer
    06/14/09

    @ninety_nine: Don't I owe you a beer or something?
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    Image of Mediahohoho Mediahohoho
    06/13/09

    In reply to Kiss The Ring: Bank Of America Takes Mercy On Their Pitiful, Ant-Like, Broke Customers
    And I promise you these fucks are protected by every relevant congress member and senator of both parties. The ownership class of America see us all as being beneath dirt and worthy only of stealing from. Usury protection? Don't ask for help from Joe Biden or Chris Dodd. They're laughing their asses off about this.
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    06/13/09

    In reply to Kiss The Ring: Bank Of America Takes Mercy On Their Pitiful, Ant-Like, Broke Customers
    Here's a suggestion for changing the banking system permanently and making them heel to consumers: stop paying your credit card balances. Sure, if just one of us does it, they'll be screwed. If everyone does it, the banks will be fucked. As they should be. Fuck. Them.
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    Image of JuliaJolie JuliaJolie
    06/13/09

    In reply to Kiss The Ring: Bank Of America Takes Mercy On Their Pitiful, Ant-Like, Broke Customers
    Here's what happened to me:

    - Checked my Online Banking at 2am, morning of June 9th

    - Went in to deposit $140 cash as a $575 cheque was going to be pending any day now, which would have left me $60 overdrawn without the $140

    - Put in cash, avail immediately, went back home, Online Banking statement AND branch employee says it went through

    - June 10: OB statement says $575 cheque went through on 8th (???)

    - 0.47 transaction (charge for international cancer donation, why??)

    - MBTA transaction had been pulled out on 28th June and re-posted on June 8th

    - 7 transactions rearranged from highest to lowest including cheque and processed BEFORE $140 cash went in, resulting in 6 overdraft fees


    So they fudged the date on my cheque, pulled out and put back in a transaction, and rearranged the transactions from highest to lowest to maximise their overdrafts.


    And then they tell me to use Online Banking to keep track of my fucking account!


    FUCK BofA. No sane human being can keep up with these constant mindfucks. Instead of having almost $80 in my account I am now $98 overdrawn.

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    Image of AndIAmTellingYou AndIAmTellingYou
    06/15/09

    @JuliaJolie: BofA does this all the time with me, too. I check my balance before purchases or withdrawals, yet they constantly change the dates on transactions, and then by payday I'm been down nearly $100 in overdraft fees.


    Their shady "accounting" has me looking for another bank.

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    Image of Tart of Darkness Tart of Darkness
    06/13/09

    In reply to Kiss The Ring: Bank Of America Takes Mercy On Their Pitiful, Ant-Like, Broke Customers
    I had an overdraft credit line with BofA for almost 15 years. It was $4600. Back years ago I did occasionally make the mistake of overdrawing my account and they gleefully charged me $3 for every $50 they put into my checking account ($50 was the minimum). Plus I would, of course, pay interest on whatever charges they made.


    But lately I have been careful, careful, careful and have been transferring money when I need to, before I need to and keep a balance in my savings and checking accounts.


    So they closed my overdraft line of credit. For "inactivity".


    I used to be able to use my ATM card like a credit card and not have to deal with putting stuff on a credit card, but now it is no longer a credit card at all. So I have no cushion whatsoever.


    To make this feel even more disempowering, this was the last credit that I had in my name only.


    And the saddest thing? We stay with BofA because we have not found another bank that isn't worse.


    You can take advantage of their low balance emails service and I highly recommend it. It is free.

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    Image of quatrevingtquatre quatrevingtquatre
    06/13/09

    In reply to Kiss The Ring: Bank Of America Takes Mercy On Their Pitiful, Ant-Like, Broke Customers
    I absolutely loathe B of A, but is there a better banking option out there? I've had an account with them since my 18th birthday (I'm almost 25 now) so I've sort of sucked up the horribleness.


    Oh, B of A horror story:
    I had fraudulent activity on my account and filed a claim. They said they'd send me an affadavit to sign, I never received it so I called them to ask them to have another one sent. In the meantime, they refunded my account the money that was missing. I sent back the affadavit and assumed all was fine. Fast forward a month later and I go to my checking account one morning and find that I am overdrawn by a few hundred dollars. This was on a day that I had scheduled my bills to be paid and I watched in horror as my account continued to be overdrawn while they tried to sort out what happened to my affadavit. Finally, they found the "missing" paperwork and I demanded they reverse some of the overdraft fees and they said they could only reverse 1 every 6 months (there were 4) and they wouldn't return the money that I'd filed a claim over because they didn't process the paperwork until 30 days after I filed the initial claim. I hate them. So much.

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    Image of Private Hangnail Private Hangnail
    06/13/09

    @thatonegirlsays: Go to a community bank or a credit union, if available. Personally, I've had no problems with TD Bank (formerly Commerce) and I'm pretty sure they offer the same services as Bank of America.
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    Image of katekate is squared katekate is squared
    06/13/09

    In reply to Kiss The Ring: Bank Of America Takes Mercy On Their Pitiful, Ant-Like, Broke Customers
    I think I'm the only person who can say I've had ok experiences with BofA. I switched to them from Wachovia after Wachovia started taking money from my bank account for my estranged father's overdrafts, and would not stop. I lost about $600. I think all banks are terrible, and the next time I'm able to, I'm going to join a credit union.
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    Image of Tart of Darkness Tart of Darkness
    06/13/09

    @katekate is squared: I hate to tell you this, but I had a credit union allow a credit card customer to use my account number for Sears to withdraw an automatic payment every month. You only get statements from them quarterly so I was showing that my savings (only) account was overdrawn by hundreds of dollars with hundreds of dollars worth of fees. Ultimately they told me they couldn't stop Sears from debiting my account for the other person's bills even though I pointed out that allowing this person to use my account was basically fraudulent. For the rest of the time period of this Sears repayment, the money for the payment was removed from my account and then put back in manually by the branch manager. This went on for a couple of years.


    So. Be careful.

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    06/13/09

    In reply to Kiss The Ring: Bank Of America Takes Mercy On Their Pitiful, Ant-Like, Broke Customers
    They screwed me out of $600 in overdraft fees for something that was there fault. They made a deposit to the wrong account. After HOURS on the phone they refused to give me back my money. I closed my account.
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    06/13/09

    @contradicto: They did this to me as well. But when I said I would close my account, they balked and gave me the money back. (This was eight years ago; perhaps they've gotten worse.)
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    Image of miss_msry miss_msry
    03/20/09

    In reply to Iranian Blogger Dies in Prison
    I always knew blogging could get you killed.
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    03/20/09

    In reply to Iranian Blogger Dies in Prison
    Are we getting prepped for another adventure in the Middle East? We had a bad impression of Iran to begin with, and now we are even more revolted by them than we are by the financial thugs. This happened just as Iran supposedly rejected our extended hand.
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    03/20/09

    In reply to Iranian Blogger Dies in Prison
    Come on, can’t someone make this about Israel? Don’t they kill journalists there too?
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    Image of TheHonJudgeSmails TheHonJudgeSmails
    03/20/09

    In reply to Iranian Blogger Dies in Prison
    We clearly need to engage the Iranian government in meaningful dialogue. Let them know "we intend to mean business at some point if you keep this up for long enough by gum!"
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    03/20/09

    In reply to Iranian Blogger Dies in Prison
    What does Sean Penn have to say about this?
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    Image of StonedAndDethroned StonedAndDethroned
    03/20/09

    In reply to Iranian Blogger Dies in Prison
    In other news, American blogger Perez Hilton died in a KFC restroom on Wednesday. Authorities claim he'd chicken fingered himself to death. That is probably not a lie.
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    Image of FracturedAcetabulum FracturedAcetabulum
    03/20/09

    @StonedAndDethroned: that's just gross.


    (back to topic)

    This story is horrific

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    03/20/09

    In reply to Iranian Blogger Dies in Prison
    That's one evil axis.
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