hey richard, gawker, defamer whateves,
I love you to death
but this whole post is actually rather elistist in the worst way.
we are in the worst recession ever.
going to the movies is the cheapest entertainment available.
let's just give some pause to that fact and not turn this whole web site into some asshole thing.
people are laid off, people are scared about their jobs, that's what heading to the movies is all about.
don't wanna be corny, but don't wanna be a dick like you about it
You can take a date to a movie. It is boring but it is totally culturally acceptable. If the movie is shit who cares you can still get laid. If Transformers 2 featured a blowjob at the end I'd probably go along to get along. It is a lot harder to get a girl you don't really know to come over to a shit-pit apartment to watch the fucking Topo Gigio box set.
Maybe I'm setting up a false dichotomy here. I mean after the movie you still are going to have to go to an apartment to have sex. Transformers: Rise of the Lichens + Ray Harryhausen retrospective back at the ass pad might not be a bad deal if you throw some greenery into the mix. Was that on the survey?
Now that I've read the article... one industry that might want to pay attention is the restaurant.
The other night, the wife and I went to a show and afterward, we stopped into one of the sit-down chains for dessert. And not only were there just two over-priced dessert choices on the menu, but the B-52s that we ordered for dessert-dessert were $7, each.
Needless to say, we won't be returning to that particular establishment any time soon. I mean, a couple of simple, non-satisfying desserts and four drinks shouldn't cost more than fifty bucks.
@Magister: I'm having the same disappointments at my usual restaurants. Menu items I've been ordering for years have been cheapened in their contents/portions or taken off the menu entirely. Since when is a side of guacamole equivalent to a level tablespoon with a lot of onion and tomato mixed in? I feel taken advantage of every time I eat out these days.
The real answer, I think, is simpler: Collective misery is inversely proportional to the demand for quality entertainment. People are broke and desperate. Hollywood, savvy if not exploitive, knows it can put a scurvy dog on the screen and people will throw money at it, as long as it provides a two-hour window in the grief that downsizing and chronic debt bring on. If and when the economy improves, Hollywood might have to respond by yielding a better product.
@AzureTexan: I thought more people knew about uTorrent. I haven't paid to see a movie in years. I'm anxiously awaiting the DVD screeners for the Oscar nominees this year. Hooray for piracy!
Numbers 3 (Up), 4 (Hangover) and 6 (Star Trek) of the 2009 Box Office Top 20 were all very good. Still, that pales in comparison to 2008, when the number 1, 2, 5, 6, and 12 box office grossers were of high quality. 2008 should have been the 10 Oscar nominees year.
2007 wasn't much better than 2009 (highest-grossing good movie was number 5, followed by numbers 10 and 14). Nevertheless, you're right about 2009 in movies sucking. On the bright side, it all serves to make The Hangover look that much better.
@Old Ocho: But your definition of "high quality" might be far far different from somebody elses. For instance, you think Kung Fu Panda is high quality and don't like Ratatouille. I can't even relate to you at all.
I'm not going to read all these comments but assume that some (at least ) are telling you, in hopefully strenuous fashion, that it's a stupid thing to [generously] say that only 5 of these movies are "not terrible."
You can't hate pop culture like you apparently do and write for this site. (Or any publication that people are going to actually want to read.)
[I haven't seen any Harry Potters but don't think they qualify as "terrible"]
-- Finding Nemo (definitely not "terrible") -- haven't seen Incredibles or other Pixar on list but also I'm sure not "terrible"
-- Hancock -- actually pretty damn good
-- Ratatouille (wtf are you thinking Ratatouille is GREAT)
-- Passion of the Christ -- made by a bad man but not a terrible movie (I'm just going down the list but this is getting stupid)
-- No Bond movie (2 on the list) is "terrible" / all are "watchable"
-- War of the Worlds -- actually quite good
-- I Am Legend -- totally watchable / I cried at the big parting scene
-- Iron Man -- I bet this is one you didn't think was "terrible" -- I probably liked it less than you, and thought except for RDJ that it kind of sucked -- but it wasn't "terrible"
-- Never saw Night at the Museum but I'm pretty sure OW and BS had some funny moments -- I'm going to say not "terrible"
-- King Kong -- a disappointment to be sure but not "terrible"
-- MI2 -- actually pretty fucking great -- Tom Cruise notwithstanding
-- Day After Tmw -- did not see -- bet I would enjoy -- i'm going to say not terrible
-- WALL-E -- not at all terrible wtf are you thinking
-- Meet the Fockers -- did not see but I bet it was actually terrible -- I'll give you this, Transformers franchise, Matrix 2 + 3, Pirates 2+3, Star wars 1-3 (truly "terrible").
Which makes by my count 20-25% (tops) of this list as "terrible."
Somewhere between 30-50% are "ok" to perfectly satisfying.
And a full 40% are pretty damn good (to great) Hollywood product.
There is exactly ONE stone-cold foxy classic on this list. Not part of a geeky franchise, not a cartoon, not a musical, not a rehash of a TV series or a remake of an older movie, not pegged on a comic book character. I love it and get sucked straight back into it every time they air it on cable teevee.
@snugbug: Well of the two that fit that bill the Day After Tomorrow was shite so I'm guessing you've got a hard on for Night at the Museum. Course I didn't count the book series since the books used above are arguably geeky franchises(minus the passion but honestly that movie sucked, no one could think that was a good movie) so maybe it's actually one of those.
@snugbug: Uh, you do know that James Bond is a geeky franchise, too, right? I'm pretty sure there's been comics, cartoons, and musicals. I guess the 'place your bets' thing was meant to be a clue.
@snugbug: Um, Casino Royale is both a remake of an older movie and arguably part of a geeky franchise. You disqualified it with your quantifiers. Though I do love both versions of it.
@snugbug: I haven't seen either the 1967 or the 2006 "Casino Royale," but I was under the impression that the new one is similar enough to qualify as a remake? They're both based on the novel of the same name. I do apologize if I'm getting that wrong. #boxoffice
@YardanCabaret: Boo, boo, booo! The 1967 Woody Allen-starring Casino Royale is a parody of the Ian Fleming novel by the same title. Hence it does not qualify as a proper adaptation. Also, James Bond is not geeky! Lame, occasionally, during its decades-long history, but NEVER geeky! #boxoffice
@romulus: Naah, the recent Casino Royale is a sexy thriller-drama that could not be more different from the 1967 Casino Royale comedy. It's somber and sexy and thrilling and tense--in my opinion, the best James Bond entry in decades. #boxoffice
@atlasspanked: PRODUCERS. You forgot producers. Does anyone wield ampler decision-making powers in Big-Time Hollywood than producers? Studio heads, I s'pose, but that's about it. #boxoffice
@random_play: I hear y'all about producers and audiences, but producers typically just fund and approve the pics, they don't suckify them scene by scene. And audiences just determine whether said pic succeeds, not sucks.
(Full disclosure: I like action blockbusters. Weep for me.)
There are so many pics, even sequels, that could have been good but for some rote attempt at 'dramatic tension'.
Unless we're talking about "Marly and Me." In that specific case the viewing public -and book fans- really should be put to sleep. #boxoffice
To be perfectly honest, I thought that most of these movies were not, in fact, terrible and flat-out love all three LOTR movies, Dark Knight, Nemo, Prisoner of Azkaban, Matrix Reloaded (I'll admit that this is probably just me), Incredibles, Ratatouille, War of the Worlds, Iron Man, King Kong, Monsters, Inc., and Wall-E.
Why the hate? Some movies are good AND popular. No Country for Old Men and There Will Be Blood may appeal to you and me but there's a reason they're not on this list and it's not that people are stupid.
@Perhaps Not: "No Country for Old Men and There Will Be Blood may appeal to you and me but there's a reason they're not on this list and it's not that people are stupid"
@Poppymann: Opinions vary but I'd say it's because they both present an extremely grim and oblique perspective on human nature that most people find too oppressive to subject themselves to for two hours. The filmgoing public seems to want to see good triumph over wickedness, or to see moral behavior rewarded when they go to the movies, probably because they see both so seldom in their individual lives. You and I would probably argue that movies doing those things don't offer as realistic a perspective on the universe (though I certainly do enjoy them sometimes), but not everyone is interested in understanding why the world is so evil through art. Some people have evil presented to them hourly and don't see the need to dwell on it further. #boxoffice
@Perhaps Not: you bring up an interesting thought. not all movies need to be Oscar caliber. some could be just good escapist fun. and some could be in it only for the money. I think the key to defining something as 'good' would be to figure out which group a particular movie is trying to be and ask if it achieves its goal well. is a Transformers really that horrible if the money gives a studio the make a There Will Be Blood (which isn't going to make millions in the box office), is that such a terrible tradeoff #boxoffice
A large part of the gross revenues from these movies come from international audiences who are obviously drawn to action movies and thrillers. I'd like to see a list of the highest grossing movies just here in the states. It might be more balanced. #auteurs
12/15/09
I love you to death
but this whole post is actually rather elistist in the worst way.
we are in the worst recession ever.
going to the movies is the cheapest entertainment available.
let's just give some pause to that fact and not turn this whole web site into some asshole thing.
people are laid off, people are scared about their jobs, that's what heading to the movies is all about.
don't wanna be corny, but don't wanna be a dick like you about it
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Maybe I'm setting up a false dichotomy here. I mean after the movie you still are going to have to go to an apartment to have sex. Transformers: Rise of the Lichens + Ray Harryhausen retrospective back at the ass pad might not be a bad deal if you throw some greenery into the mix. Was that on the survey?
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The other night, the wife and I went to a show and afterward, we stopped into one of the sit-down chains for dessert. And not only were there just two over-priced dessert choices on the menu, but the B-52s that we ordered for dessert-dessert were $7, each.
Needless to say, we won't be returning to that particular establishment any time soon. I mean, a couple of simple, non-satisfying desserts and four drinks shouldn't cost more than fifty bucks.
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2007 wasn't much better than 2009 (highest-grossing good movie was number 5, followed by numbers 10 and 14). Nevertheless, you're right about 2009 in movies sucking. On the bright side, it all serves to make The Hangover look that much better.
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You can't hate pop culture like you apparently do and write for this site. (Or any publication that people are going to actually want to read.)
To clarify, the following are not "terrible":
-- all LOTR (3 movies)
-- Pirates #1
-- Dark Night
[I haven't seen any Harry Potters but don't think they qualify as "terrible"]
-- Finding Nemo (definitely not "terrible") -- haven't seen Incredibles or other Pixar on list but also I'm sure not "terrible"
-- Hancock -- actually pretty damn good
-- Ratatouille (wtf are you thinking Ratatouille is GREAT)
-- Passion of the Christ -- made by a bad man but not a terrible movie (I'm just going down the list but this is getting stupid)
-- No Bond movie (2 on the list) is "terrible" / all are "watchable"
-- War of the Worlds -- actually quite good
-- I Am Legend -- totally watchable / I cried at the big parting scene
-- Iron Man -- I bet this is one you didn't think was "terrible" -- I probably liked it less than you, and thought except for RDJ that it kind of sucked -- but it wasn't "terrible"
-- Never saw Night at the Museum but I'm pretty sure OW and BS had some funny moments -- I'm going to say not "terrible"
-- King Kong -- a disappointment to be sure but not "terrible"
-- MI2 -- actually pretty fucking great -- Tom Cruise notwithstanding
-- Day After Tmw -- did not see -- bet I would enjoy -- i'm going to say not terrible
-- WALL-E -- not at all terrible wtf are you thinking
-- Meet the Fockers -- did not see but I bet it was actually terrible -- I'll give you this, Transformers franchise, Matrix 2 + 3, Pirates 2+3, Star wars 1-3 (truly "terrible").
Which makes by my count 20-25% (tops) of this list as "terrible."
Somewhere between 30-50% are "ok" to perfectly satisfying.
And a full 40% are pretty damn good (to great) Hollywood product.
What a stupid post. #boxoffice
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Place your bets. #boxoffice
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The book was still better. #boxoffice
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A) Directors
B) Screenwriters
C) Editors
D) Actors
In that order.
We film crew folks call these "entry level positions." #boxoffice
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E) The audience, who keep paying the salaries of A-D, regardless of how much anyone thinks that movies suck. #boxoffice
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(Full disclosure: I like action blockbusters. Weep for me.)
There are so many pics, even sequels, that could have been good but for some rote attempt at 'dramatic tension'.
Unless we're talking about "Marly and Me." In that specific case the viewing public -and book fans- really should be put to sleep. #boxoffice
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Why the hate? Some movies are good AND popular. No Country for Old Men and There Will Be Blood may appeal to you and me but there's a reason they're not on this list and it's not that people are stupid.
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and that reason is?..... #auteurs
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