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    Image of OMG! Ponies! OMG! Ponies!
    11/10/09

    In reply to MSNBC: Two Dead, Up to Ten Wounded in Portland, Ore., Shooting
    Has anyone been able to gin up a Muslim background for him yet? I'll even take Black Muslim.

    Because us white folk never do anything bad ever. #shooting
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    11/10/09

    In reply to MSNBC: Two Dead, Up to Ten Wounded in Portland, Ore., Shooting
    Well how else are we going to honor our culture's heritage of insane, rage-inspired gunplay? #shooting
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    11/10/09

    In reply to MSNBC: Two Dead, Up to Ten Wounded in Portland, Ore., Shooting
    Outlaw the bullets #shooting
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    11/10/09

    @If_I_Had_a_Poodle: Exactly! Guns don't kill people, bulletts do. Unless of course you're in one of those old monster movies where the monster chases the gun-toting hero who is firing as he runs away, only to be cornered as his gun runs out of ammunition. And what does our hero do, class? Right, he throws said gun at the monster, braining it squarely, felling him in an instant.

    Hey, a little cinematic revisionist history is called for every now and again, yes? #shooting
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    11/10/09

    @If_I_Had_a_Poodle: [www.youtube.com] #shooting
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    11/10/09

    @LeftCoastLady: "A bullet should cost $5,000. " #shooting
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    11/10/09

    In reply to MSNBC: Two Dead, Up to Ten Wounded in Portland, Ore., Shooting
    Prediction: next week, the biggest selling item at REI will be the the North Face Kevlar Urban Explorer Gore-Tex Pullover. #shooting
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    11/10/09

    @raincoaster: Also, "hoodie joke." #shooting
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    11/10/09

    @raincoaster: I'm an Oregonian and you, raincoaster, get us. #shooting
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    11/11/09

    @LittleSecrets: I live in Vancouver, BC. We are all one people: Cascadians. #shooting
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    11/10/09

    In reply to MSNBC: Two Dead, Up to Ten Wounded in Portland, Ore., Shooting
    Why do the crazies, the postals and the stressed never engage in mad pillow-fighting or water pistol warfare? Always so serious with the permanent angry.

    It really is sad the number of people in this country who seem to die only because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time with the wrong person. These are not our finest hours, America. #shooting
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    11/10/09

    In reply to MSNBC: Two Dead, Up to Ten Wounded in Portland, Ore., Shooting
    That's it. I'm never leaving the house again without Kevlar. #shooting
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    11/10/09

    In reply to MSNBC: Two Dead, Up to Ten Wounded in Portland, Ore., Shooting
    And how some can still defend the necessity for an atrocious amount of guns in this country is truly baffling. #shooting
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    11/10/09

    @Spirit Fingers: They'll say something along the lines of "I needs me mah guns to protect the youngins against al quedas who are illegally immigrating to an America that I no longer recognize." #shooting
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    11/10/09

    @misslinda: I doubt they're that self-aware. #shooting
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    11/10/09

    @misslinda: They'll say that if a law-abiding citizen who'd been there was legally able to carry a concealed weapon, the shooter wouldn't have been able to hit so many people. Because I'm *sure* said citizen would also have super great aim and would in no way be a risk to innocent bystanders. Nope, not at all. #shooting
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    11/10/09

    @misslinda: Yah, I agree with katekate, they recognize this America, it's the one they created after all.

    Also, what the hell happens when we all have guns to stop other people with guns who think they can take advantage of you because you don't have a gun, but you do, so you shoot them, they shoot you, and then Canada can just "come on down", laugh at us because we're stupendous idiots...trapped in our caves with our guns and canned spam, ready to shoot any damnable thing that moves, until we de-evolutionize ourselves and have to learn how to walk and talk again. "Me have fire stick. Me want meat. Me use fire stick take meat. Where me get shoes?"

    This, apparently, is where we're headed. #shooting
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    11/10/09

    @formergr: Law-abiding citizens are able to get carry permits. And the funny thing is, none of those people ever happen to be at the scene when shit like this happens. They are probably the least reliable motherfuckers on the planet when it comes to saving mall-goers' asses. #shooting
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    11/10/09

    @Spirit Fingers: Canada's not going to come down until the Americans have all shot one another. It'll be safer then. #shooting
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    11/10/09

    @Spirit Fingers: You know they'll start saying that "if someone on the scene had had a gun"...and start demanding legislation that requires all salesclerks be armed with AK-47s. #shooting
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    11/10/09

    @Spirit Fingers: But we're not all gonna have guns. IMO only an idiot would get a gun to protect themselves because by getting one, you've just introduced a very dangerous weapon into your home or on your body that was not there before. In my +20 years in NYC, I have never once ever felt like I needed a gun. I think the closest I've come to seeing someone use a weapon on the streets was the carrot peeler guy on Union Square (may he rest in peace). It's really no wonder Canada laughs in our general direction. #shooting
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    11/10/09

    @SarahHeartburn: Yep, that's exactly what I mean. Guns, guns, guns for everyone now! Fucking lunacy.

    @misslinda: Yes, I agree. Just seems like without even trying we'll be back in the wild west or the primordial sludge where rational thinking goes completely out the window and all that's left is kill or be killed due to constant fear mongering and the ease of which any absolute psychopath or mother of two can procure a loaded weapon. "Milk, bread, eggs, Glock 9mm, cheese, Oreos for Billy...." #shooting
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    11/10/09

    @misslinda: 50% of all gun homicides are suicides. #shooting
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    11/10/09

    @formergr: Can we PLEASE make "to Plaxico" a verb? Please? Too soon? #shooting
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    11/10/09

    @Spirit Fingers: The number of guns is beside the point. It's a Second Amendment issue: the second most important thing the Constitution has to say and the only way, as the authors saw it, to ensure free speech against the tendency of governments to outlaw it. In their view, every citizen (with all its limitations at that time) should have arms and know how to use them. They also do not define what 'arms' are. They could be nuclear weapons as far as I can tell from reading Federalists Papers (28, 29, 46, etc.). The thinking seems to be that each citizen maintaining liberty for himself ensures liberty for all. A US without guns is not the US. (I don't own a gun or want to, which is about as anti-American as I get—you may disagree). #shooting
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    11/10/09

    @Spirit Fingers: "Where me get shoes"?

    Not to take away from an important debate, but I believe there have been some very, very late nights when those exact words have crossed my lips. #shooting
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    11/10/09

    @pilf: I don't easily second-guess the Founding Padres, since they have a pretty good track record coming up with a constitution that lasted longer than any other, but the Second Amendment seems to me most obviously motivated by a specific historical context.

    They had just declared war against Britain at the time--of COURSE they'd sneak in there something about the God-given right of ordinary Americans to bear arms.

    Am not a constitutional scholar, and you seem to be more schooled than I am on these matters. Somehow, I agree that, barring some catastrophic reversal of fortunes, guns will never, ever be outlawed in the US--as a matter of principle. It hasn't much to do with logic at this point, but more with tradition and national character. #shooting
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    11/10/09

    In reply to MSNBC: Two Dead, Up to Ten Wounded in Portland, Ore., Shooting
    Do you think the Republicans are starting to get that their policies over the last eight years (both militarily and economically) have a lot to do with why people are suddenly going nuts and shooting people?

    Or have they somehow convinced themselves that this is all the fault of Kenya? #shooting
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    11/10/09

    @drunkexpatwriter: I'm sure they're convinced it's because people are fed up with Obamanomics and just aren't going to take it anymore. #shooting
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    11/10/09

    @Dr. Nick: Even though Obama's entire economic policy consists of trying to save us from what Bush spent eight years doing to the economy. #shooting
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    11/10/09

    @drunkexpatwriter: in reality, I would say it's a bit of column A and a bit of column B. Not because Kenya is inherently evil, but because the crazy/dumb people think it's evil. And that it's out to get them, specifically, and their unborn christian babies.

    I'm not making light of this incident, and we really have nothing to go on as of yet, but like someone said down-thread, general civil unrest does seem right around the corner and it doesn't help the situation that national leaders, LEADERS, are saying spurious shit about what's really going on and thereby frightening people unnecessarily. #shooting
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    11/10/09

    @drunkexpatwriter: Right now, Michelle Malkin is googling "Portland Oregon + shooting + Muslim." If nothing comes up, she won't be talking about it. #shooting
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    11/10/09

    In reply to MSNBC: Two Dead, Up to Ten Wounded in Portland, Ore., Shooting
    The really horrible thing is... this is just the very beginning. Lots of immature and/or stressed and postal people with guns out there. Next stop: civil unrest. #shooting
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    11/10/09

    @Uncle_Billy_Slumming: Yeah, I'm kind of nervous about where this is headed. Sadly, I find it really hard to reason with people about guns--it seems their entire argument is 'constitution constitution constitution constitution, etc...' #shooting
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    11/10/09

    @Colander: I'm a staunch pro-choice, pro-obama, pro-health care, pro-gov't option Dem. I'm also pro guns. I don't own one (though I have) because it's illegal here in NYC and also I don't need one. However, there is simply no way to get rid of them and quite frankly no need. These things happen in England, in France, in Germany where guns are severely restricted. It is true that it is much easier to get a gun as a criminal than legally (quicker anyway).

    I'm not interested in debating it, really, just adding my two cents.

    I will say this, the NRA is a terrible organization that does more harm than good and is not interested in reasonable responsible ownership. I will never be a member.

    Oh, and 'constitution, constitution, constitution'. #shooting
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    11/10/09

    @BaconCat: wow, and I thought I was the only one. I'm with you regarding guns, but they should be a little more restricted than they are. Who outside of the military needs an automatic weapon??? Or a handgun for that matter. As for the other countries you mention, yes, they have shooting incidents, but I'm pretty sure if you looked at the numbers it would be way below what happens here. #shooting
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    11/10/09

    @BaconCat: Can you give me an example of the last occasion in Britain when there were three mass shootings in one week?

    Didn't think so. #shooting
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    11/10/09

    @raincoaster: No, of course, I cannot. But they happen. So let me pose a 2 part question to you:

    1. what would happen if all guns were outlawed in the US?
    2. do you want to live in a country like that?

    @QueenCeleste: I have no problem with restricting some types of guns. What types and how much restriction is an arbitrary line not worth hashing out on a post so lets just say restrictions are certainly OK. #shooting
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    11/10/09

    @raincoaster: wait, what was the other mass shooting? There was Ft Hood, this Portland mall shooting and...? #shooting
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    11/10/09

    @Helio: Florida office rampage, too. #shooting
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    11/10/09

    @BaconCat: I can answer question No. 2: I do (France), and I love it. I'm not one to be quiet when a driver ignores the crosswalk that I am IN, or people won't move to let me off the Metro, etc. (Which happen far less frequently than when I was in NYC.) Names are called, shoulders are bumped (hard). Here I know that maybe they'll want to fight (they haven't, yet) and at the worst they might have a knife. But it never enters my consciousness that I'm going to be blown away, as it did in NYC. #shooting
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    11/10/09

    @BaconCat: I have often wondered why we can't just clamp down on the manufacture and importation of firearms. Obviously waiting periods and restrictions on certain types of weapons have been a mixed bag in terms of their success, but if we could limit the absolute number of guns in the country, without limiting the individual's right to own one (ie, keep it legal but make it much harder/more expensive to get ahold of one)... I assume there must be something wrong with my plan, since it's not being implemented, but damned if I can figure out what it is. #shooting
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    11/10/09

    @BaconCat: 1) it might become as safe as Canada or the UK.

    2) I already do. #shooting
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    11/10/09

    @Helio: Texas. of course. Oh, and I forgot about the one in Florida. #shooting
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    11/10/09

    @romulus: I don't think you can say that waiting periods and weapon restrictions have been a mixed bag when you still have gun shows that essentially circumvent all of these restrictions.

    I, for one, would just be happy if we enforced the damn laws already on the books without any exceptions. #shooting
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    11/11/09

    @raincoaster: canada proves my point. it is chock full of guns and doesn't have the shootings we do, so the answer is not guns. #shooting
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    11/11/09

    @SaraRueful: funny, the only times i've ever been assaulted in my life were on the streets of Covent Garden, London and on the Paris Metro and I live in NYC. Go figure.

    Also, look up your own laws, hunting rifles abound in France, especially in the Aveyron, which I frequently visit. And despite your own tightening of gun laws in 1995, black market guns and the associated crimes have been steadily increasing in the bad arondissments. #shooting
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    11/11/09

    @raincoaster: one more thing:
    If one ignores Washington DC and the US cities that are larger than
    Canadian cities, the murder rates in the US are not much higher than
    Canadian homicide rates. What do those cities have in common? Really restrictive gun laws. NYC has a zero firearms policy and yet firearm murders abound. Our current gun policy does not work. I won't argue about training or class restrictions, I have no problem with that.

    And I am far more frightened of a state where only the police have guns than being shot by a whacko who busts into my office armed to the teeth. #shooting
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    11/11/09

    @BaconCat: So, if the issue isn't guns, is it Americans? Maybe you should control them instead, then?

    By the way, your assertions are incorrect. The annual murder rate for King County, Washington, for instance (ie Greater Seattle) is larger than the murder rate for Canada, just to give you one example. #shooting
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    11/11/09

    @raincoaster: Specifically, the "death by gunshot" rate. I suppose the deaths from high stickings would be comparable in each country, but I don't have any stats about that, so I will refrain from making such assertions unconditionally.

    By the way, we also appear to be better at math than you people. #shooting
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    11/12/09

    @raincoaster: Well lucky for you you're not an American so it's not even your problem!

    You are conveniently ignoring the 'death by poutine' statistics, i see. I know, I know, poutine doesn't kill people, people who make poutine kill people, but it's SO DAMNED TASTY. #shooting
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    11/12/09

    @BaconCat: Let me rephrase, lest I be one of those Yankees who thinks Mexico and Canada are not in America. 'Luckily you are not a citizen of these here United States'. You are of course a Norte Americano. #shooting
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    11/12/09

    @BaconCat: Well, we won't get into the Death by Poutine statistics because as everyone knows, that stuff is a heart attack in a bowl. #shooting
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    11/08/09

    In reply to House Democratic Health Care Package: Passed
    Where is the tort reform in this bill?

    I'm happy with most of it - it's an incrementalist bill that lays the groundwork for single payer - but there's a lot I don't like. Too many things were left out, and the abortion amendment had no place in a modern society's health care structure. #healthcare
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    11/08/09

    In reply to House Democratic Health Care Package: Passed
    From the Fox News link:

    "Think about it. Government is the negation of freedom."

    I did think about it, and he's totally right! Oh my god I'm so stoned. #healthcare
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    11/08/09

    @imagegami: Did your insurance cover 80% of the weed? #healthcare
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    11/08/09

    @imagegami: So Fox News is anarchist? #healthcare
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    11/08/09

    In reply to House Democratic Health Care Package: Passed
    As usual...... in the media, as well as elsewhere, abortion and immigration coverage now seem to make up the bulk of the discussion about this bill, instead of focusing on the larger issues that will affect most of the general public. Not to minimize issues such as abortion but when the focus becomes that, the right and left wingnuts seem to get the majority of the media coverage.
    We managed to find the funds (which are probably now in the billions) to fight two wars and really have nothing but lost lives to show for it and yet, somehow trying to get American citizens decent health care is going to bankrupt us.
    There are legitimate points some of the Republicans also make about tort reform and access because you're talking about taking on an additional 20-30 million people with the same amount of facilities and providers. I know they've proposed adding to the class size in medical schools and such and I hope that won't get killed by the AMA, who was staunchly against it when Clinton proposed it during her try at fixing this.
    I, for one, would have liked to see something in this bill about banning pharmaceutical companies from advertising prescription medications on the air and in print.
    While the profession is a noble one, I can say from first hand experience that there is a great deal of them (physicians) who are morally corrupt...........when it comes to financially rewarding themselves at the expense of the American taxpayer.... as well as many of their patients. #healthcare
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    11/08/09

    @Buttafooco: Good, honest doctors are also pissed about pharmaceutical commercials and ads, because they encourage ordinary people to request brand-name drugs even if they're not appropriate, and undermine the trust in doctors when it comes to prescribing things. #healthcare
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    11/08/09

    @noisy doll: I used to make the shiny, pretty, happy toys doctors get from pharma. I planned luxury vacations for them. Purchased diamond earrings for their wives (Celebrex launch, I kid you not.) Gold embossed Coach Rx pads. I also agree - get the ads off TV. I want doc to tell me what I need because of efficacy - not because he wants the Greek Islands cruise for writing scrips or because the slender, beaming woman on TV living an upper class life who is SO happy to take pill for (insert symptom here) told me I should. #healthcare
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    11/08/09

    @TroisFilles: Heh! Pharmco giveaways. I still have my bullet pen (which I love) and heart-shaped stress ball from my years on the frontlines (read: general practitioner's office). I remember how the docs I worked for made me proud because they never allowed the reps to pander to them. I remember seeing one of them refuse a Stanley tool set saying, "I work 6 days a week. I've forgotten how any of this works!" :) #healthcare
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    11/08/09

    In reply to House Democratic Health Care Package: Passed
    Bob Barr will be SO bummed about the lack of Federal abortion funding in this bill. #healthcare
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    11/08/09

    In reply to House Democratic Health Care Package: Passed
    "And maybe, just maybe, one day, some parent with a kid who's got a bad fever in the middle of the night won't have to worry about taking him in to get checked out because they can't afford it or they'll get treated like shit, they'll just do it."

    Except for the fact that they probably won't have a GP, since we're looking at an incredible shortage of doctors once this plan goes into effect (just ask Canada or Massachusetts, where I'm from).

    And let's hope that fever isn't actually something more serious that requires, say, a surgery... that kid could have to wait months to see a surgeon.

    Do we need healthcare reform? Absolutely. Is this bill a step in the right direction? Absolutely not. #healthcare
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    11/08/09

    @mattfour: We don't really have a shortage of doctors. Come to NYC and see if you can throw a rock without hitting a specialist.

    We do have a shortage of primary care physicians, especially in rural areas. Part of this is due to the phenomenal cost of medical education in the US ($40-60k per year as opposed to $0 - $10k in most of Europe) With that kind of debt burden, students have a greater incentive to follow the money to dermatology, anesthesiology etc... rather than to stick around and offer primary care to sick kids. In short, if we want more primary care physicians, we need to address the absurd cost of medical education here in the US.

    Also, GPs barely exist any more. Family Medicine is the specialty that offers the broadest primary care, Pediatrics, Internal Medicine, Ob/Gyn, and Geriatrics also do primary care and all require at least 3 years of post-graduate training (at resident wages too low to pay off a significant portion of student loans). But the sky isn't falling yet. There are a great many Nurse Practitioners are rising in the ranks to offer primary care.

    I agree that our country would be best served if people could build relationships with their primary care providers. But I think the solution is actually greater government intervention to help Medical and NP students fund their education. This bill is a huge step in the right direction. I hope it'ts the first step of many. #healthcare
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    @MyrtleWilloughby: I am cautiously optimistic that there will be a large increase in nurse/family practitioners: less school than an MD, less debt, pretty good salaries, and xlent primary care solution

    Free medical school for nurse/family practitioners if they agree to serve in underserved areas for 2 years: that's my suggestion -- like NYC offers teaching fellowships #healthcare
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    11/08/09

    @If_I_Had_a_Poodle: It's a good plan, and I have a friend who's helping pay back her NP tuition by working in a women's prison. She loves her work, and by all accounts it's a win-win situation.

    I'd like to see more tuition remission programs offered to MDs. Most of the current programs require signing a binding commitment before medical school which can be dangerous. I'd like to see more programs offering tuition assistance during and after medical school - when students can make informed decisions about going into primary care. The school may be longer but I don't think MDs are obsolete just yet.
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    @MyrtleWilloughby: yes, absolutely #healthcare
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    11/08/09

    @If_I_Had_a_Poodle:

    Without tort reform, no. #healthcare
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    11/08/09

    @Unsolicited Advice: Can you explain what you mean by "tort reform"? #healthcare
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    11/08/09

    @MyrtleWilloughby:

    Legislation to limit the amount of money that can be secured in a medical malpractice settlement involving a consumer or group of consumers and a health care provider. #healthcare
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    11/08/09

    @MyrtleWilloughby: I went to a healthcare forum where someone mentioned paying doctors' tuition. A person screamed, "And then they owe their career to the govt? That's wrong!" When it was my turn to ask a question (really, being old enough to remember Arnold Horshack HAS it's advantages) I started with, "My father became a doctor on the GI bill and he was never beholden to the gov." And the crickets chirped in the scary man's head. How soon people forget the GI bill - which educated so many men who are now cranky old codgers. #healthcare
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    11/08/09

    @MyrtleWilloughby: I agree that more government assistance for funding medical education would be a great thing.

    I see Mass as a microcosm of what's going to happen in the US. The problem is not an actual shortage of doctors yet, the problem is that when Massachusetts extended health care to virtually all its residents, there has been a crush of people in the system, straining the current load. Speaking with family back home (I currently reside in Brooklyn, actually used to live right off the Myrtle-Willoughby stop), they're saying that lots of people are looking at 2-3 month waits to see a doctor. People are actually resorting to the "emergency room" doctor's visit because they can't get into to see a general or family practitioner. Therefore, I worry about adding 30 million+ people into our current system.

    I'm not a big fan of this bill in its current form, but we really do need to see more doctors, because regardless of any outcome there are going to be more people using our healthcare system than ever before. We also need tort reform in the areas of medical malpractice, that would absolutely move to drive costs down. #healthcare
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    @Unsolicited Advice: No. People who are grievously harmed shouldn't have to deal with limits on compensation. On the other hand, the reason there are so many trials/suits/settlements is because (a) the 5 percent of doctors who cause 95 percent of the malpractice are allowed to continue practicing by their peers and review boards (b) people who need a lifetime of care can only get it via the courts, as too hurt to work = no job = no healthcare. universal coverage/single payer would fix a lot of that #healthcare
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    @If_I_Had_a_Poodle: We disagree, and will always. #healthcare
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    11/09/09

    @Unsolicited Advice: You do know that tort reform will save the health care system about $100 billion in 10 years, right? I mean, it's one thing, but it's certainly everything. It's, in fact, not even close. #healthcare
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    @Mediahohoho:

    That's an incredible amount of money. #healthcare
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    @Unsolicited Advice: It's .005% of our annual health care nut, which in 2007 was a cool $2.2 trillion. I believe we could scrape up $10 billion a year just by containing cost overruns on Halliburton contracts. But go ahead, pre-emptively put a price tag on your kid's botched tonsilectomy and see how far your government mandated settlement goes when you have to provide him with care for the next 40 years of his vegetative life. That'll fix the system.
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    @Mediahohoho:

    Why protect the trial lawyer lobby? 10 billion is 10 billion. I'm not so dismissive when I look at the costs of lawyer-enriching robbery that we all subsidize. But hey, if there's one stupid cost, all of them are justified! #healthcare
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    @Unsolicited Advice: I don't give a shit about lawyers. I care about patients. And don't you think we should spare a little contempt for incompetent doctors and the professional organizations that shelter them from scrutiny and sanction. I mean, it's easy to pick on lawyers, but if some alcoholic anesthesiologist shows up drunk the morning of my child's minor surgery and puts him in a permanent coma, I pretty much want to reserve the right to sue both him and hospital without the government pre-determining what I'm entitled to.

    Besides, whenever people talk about this issue, they always include those stupid, irresponsible juries. And I get a little nervous whenever anyone talks about disempowering the jury system.

    So yeah, I'll be all for tort reform when doctors start minding their own house. #healthcare
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    @Mediahohoho:

    Lawyers are introducing a large cost into the health care system that is devoid of social utility. If we're constructing a better mousetrap, that's one of the elements I'd incorporate into the design. That's a net positive for anyone but lawyers - lower costs would be a win for moderate Democrats who want to show independents that they aren't being completely blind to potential funding issues. #healthcare
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    11/10/09

    @Unsolicited Advice: Fine. But at least recognize it as a small piece of a very large and complex puzzle. And it's one I'd feel much better about if our hospitals weren't such deathtraps.

    Now, just for my amusement, please write in US dollars what the award should be in the inevitable lawsuit resulting from the linked story below. I'm curious to know. To what amount should the jury hearing the case be limited?

    [www.associatedcontent.com]
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    11/08/09

    In reply to House Democratic Health Care Package: Passed
    I'm pissed because they want to bring these kids into the world but don't want to take care of them once they get here. #healthcare
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    @BxgrlJeri: Barney Frank famously said of the Talibvengelicals, that, for them, "life begins at conception and ends at birth" #healthcare
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