I don't know how "insular" and "protected" that community is. Once they determined that drugs and alcohol were not involved (which the police spokesmen were saying originally), there was no crime I can think of they could investigate. Talking to the Woods afterwards is for nothing other than prurient interest. They should have just told the cops to piss off.
@Seeräuber Jenny: There's only an assault if he's interested in prosecuting. Is the 210 pound guy gonna actually make that claim against his 120 (maybe) pound wife? Uh, no.
I figured they were having a fight. Why else would he be pulling out of his driveway at 2 am and, obviously, his wife knew he was leaving the house? He sure wasn't sneaking out. Regarding the charges that his wife scratched his face and bashed his car with a golf club in order to purposely harm him or the car - I say innocent until proven guilty. I'd like to hear the whole story before I draw those conclusions.
Things were getting a little too hot, she lashed out, he left, and she followed and continued her attack. Clearly she's in the wrong here. No question, unless he struck her first... but since no one's reporting any physical abuse that she's suffered, it seems she's the aggressor. Yeah, cheating is a shitty thing to do, but it isn't illegal, and doesn't warrant being physically assaulted. And some of the double standard business I'm seeing on this thread is ridiculous. Urgh. Being a wronged woman does not justify physical violence. And yah, the whole golf club thing just ups the ante into felony assault with the intent to do serious bodily harm.
If it went down as speculated, hopefully Tiger can overcome the stigma and speak out truthfully today. Assault is still assault, but it takes a "bigger" person who is larger and stronger to succumb to a good few licks without retaliating, while possibly attempting to restrain an attacker, or riding it out in measured control until you can walk away. No shame in that.
If the tables were turned and Tiger had scratched his wife's face up then chased her with a golf club causing her to crash her car, he would probably be sitting in jail. True, there is some celebrity worship going on but mostly there is a double standard when it comes to domestic violence committed by women. The police are not taking her actions seriously b/c she is a woman and he is a cheating prick. Everyone just figures he deserved it.
The police clearly don't want to investigate this case or get involved at all. When the police came to interview Tiger the first time the wife told them he was sleeping and they just left! If she were a he, there is no way they would have been all "Sure, we can come back at another time. No problem".
I'm slightly amazed at the comments to my comments.
I was in no way justifying domestic violence (See School of Obviousness).
But from the School of Commonsense and Knowledge of Nasty Spousal Relations, I can tell you that, assuming what people surmise is correct:
A very attractive, still young woman, i.e., still wants to preserve her looks, who is the mother of young children, i.e., wants to protect her tender offspring, does not wail on her super-successful, multimillionaire, celebrity husband who's been rumored to have been a non-stop Lothario/Don Juan for just nothing.
The reactions to your original post were all clearly heavy handed given Tiger is a big boy who can take care of himself. Trying to use the relationship of the richest athlete in the world to make generalizations about domestic abuse is kind of ridiculous. None of us know the true dynamics of this relationship.
@Seeräuber Jenny: I'm not stating it did happen. I am stating that your comment that if domestic violence did occur, it's fine because someone *said* something that's worth a physical response.
It's would not be acceptable because it happens on a daily basis.
@Zira: Actually, I was saying just the opposite. I don't think that any lessons about domestic abuse can be drawn precisely because he's a wealthy celebrity. Nor have I suggested I know anything about their relationship.
One other interesting tidbit has emerged today: apparently Rachel Urchitel boasted to her friends that her cellphone "exploded" with messages from Tiger right after she met him and that she exchanged a lot of sexy time cellphone messages with Tiger.
That detail makes the National Enquirer's story a lot more credible because Elin almost broke off her engagement to Tiger right before they got married because she discovered Tiger had a secret cellphone with messages from other women. I'm betting Tiger still has at least one secret cellphone that Elin doesn't know about.
I'm interested in seeing what happens next. Will Elin stay with him as she's done when he cheated on her before, or is the public humiliation too much this time?
No doubt she and the kids will be taken care of financially for the rest of their life, but her name will always be linked with this mess.
My guess is she'll dye her hair (her most distinct physical attribute) and remarry as she's young, attractive and rich. She'll publish a memoir, do some talk shows as the "scorned ex-wife of Tiger Woods", and put out a golf clothing line for women.
In other words, I'm not inclined to feel sorry for her as I think she'll come out of this smelling like a Swedish rose.
Tiger, on the other hand, will forever be a cad in the public eye. His halo's officially tarnished. Hardcore golf fans will overlook this latest transgression as long as he continues to out-perform his peers, but sponsors may not. If Nike drops his ass, he's done.
@Seeräuber Jenny: Really? What if parents stop buying Wheaties with his pic on the front? Sponsors are notoriously anxious about this stuff. Yeah, he's done it before, but now it's making headlines.
@Seeräuber Jenny: No, of course not. But most athlete affairs don't make it to Yahoo's homepage (I'm assuming that for every affair that's exposed, dozens more go unnoticed). And most athlete affairs don't end in violence (as far as we know).
It comes down to buying power: we the consumers vote with our wallets. If sponsors detect even a hint of compromise to their bottom line, they'll cut him loose.
Jay-Z dropped Chris Brown because he was "tired of all the drama", and they were close friends and business associates. It's not a stretch to see how sponsors could do the same to Woods. I'm not taking bets on the outcome, but I'm skeptical he'll get through this without financial repercussions.
@missdelite: TMZ is reporting that Tiger is going shopping for the "Kobe Special" which is a ring that costs as much as a house. I'm sure there will be no divorce. From now on, he'll just have to be more discrete.
@heywhat: If that's all it takes, then she's a bigger ho than I thought. I hope for the sake of her kids, she takes the high road and leaves his sorry ass.
in many states now if the cops think you a a victim of domestic violence and you will not press charges they can go ahead and arrest your spouse based just on the evidence.this happed at 2:00 in the morning and based on his injuries she definatly did the scratch him and was probably trying to hit him with the golf club that is why he was trying to get away
That may be true. The problem is that if the victim won't provide helpful testimony, the prosecution has to come up with other evidence to show that the attack happened. Sometimes they even have to contradict the victim on the stand. The abuser ends up getting a lighter sentence than probably was warranted by the evidence.
New York recently had a couple of high-profile cases in which the victims (both women, one whose faces was slashed very badly) decided they would support their spouse or boyfriend.
I know someone who got a call from her husband's mistress who was calling to complain that he was also cheating on her. I said to her "you realize there is an old blues song about this situation, it's called Hey Lady, Your Husband is Cheating on Us. He used to tell the wife he was going on "bible retreats" when he was cheating on her. This skeeve had given her VD, not bothered to tell her, and as a result she developed arthritis. Plus, when she divorced him, he got half her money. I dare anyone to tell me this idiot didn't deserve a putter to the skull.
@ParahSalin: I've asked this question here repeatedly, but have yet to get an answer. If it was she who was cheating, does he have the same right? I mean, would you write that crap if he found out she was cheating on him and beat the crap out of her?
@afterabe: If someone knowingly gives you a venereal disease, and doesn't tell you about it, and you get a horrible life long affliction from their infidelity and lies, I think you have the right to run over them with an Escalade, and then back up, and then go forward. Then club them viciously with a golf club, and maybe pee on them too. That's just me, perhaps you have a better way of dealing with slimeballs.
@ParahSalin: Help me with your first comment. Are you talking about your friend's husband or Tiger? Beating the crap out of someone doesn't get rid of the STD. If it did, there'd be a lot more bruised folks limping around. There are courts for such things (if someone does it knowingly). I'd rather see them in jail for their deeds than end up there myself for beating the crap out of them. As far as I know, assault is a crime in this country, and little people like me are not immune to being charged and going to jail for it.
@afterabe: Friend's husband. It may not get rid of the STD, but it would certainly be cathartic. I wasn't really talking about assaulting him. I was talking about running him over repeatedly, and then assaulting him, and then peeing on him. This would at least keep him from giving the STD to anyone else. I would agree with you that most of the time violence doesn't solve anything, but other times running someone over and peeing on them just feels right.
@lukeoneil47: Frankly, I was pretty much just fucking with afterabe because he/she sounds so earnest. However, if someone gives you an STD, doesn't bother to tell you about it, and you get some horrible life long affliction, which could have been averted if they had the common decency to tell you about it, I would pretty much say you're free to smash their face in. You're doing society a favor. I wasn't talking about someone who cheated on his wife. I was talking about someone who KNOWINGLY gave someone arthritis because he was too much of a coward to tell her he'd been fucking around on her. Men know they have VD, women frequently don't have any symptoms. The face will heal, having rhuematoid arthritis is forever. On top of cheating on her, and on his mistress, and giving her a social disease, he also took half her money in the divorce. Yup, she gets a pass on smashing his face. As for your question of whether gender matters, not when someone does something this despicable. She's a better person than I am, and didn't even pee on him.
@lukeoneil47: If you have syphillis or gonorrhea, and it goes undiagnosed for years it can lead to all kinds of health problems, including blindness, arthritis, and dementia. I think you kind of missed the whole point of the story -the man in the story contracted a venereal disease from cheating, and he passed it on to his wife and he wasn't man enough to tell her he passed in on to her. As a result of his lies, infidelity and cowardice, she now has rheumatoid arthritis for the rest of her life. Women frequently don't have symptoms when they catch the clap, while men know almost immediately since they have a very painful urine stream. So he knew that he had an STD and got penicilin. He just didn't bother to tell her, which in my book is beyond dickish, and deserves a golf club to the nutsack, if not worse. Normally I would say if someone's cheating on you, just throw their shit on the lawn and be done with it, in this case he deserved a serious beating, which sadly she did not inflict on him.
Elin, this is NOT how you secure a favorable divorce settlement. Come the fuck on, now. You don't even have to hire a private dick to look into Tiger's infidelity. TMZ is doing it for you. Just wait, then win. That's all there is to it.
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There may have been an assault. They're still investigating.
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Things were getting a little too hot, she lashed out, he left, and she followed and continued her attack. Clearly she's in the wrong here. No question, unless he struck her first... but since no one's reporting any physical abuse that she's suffered, it seems she's the aggressor. Yeah, cheating is a shitty thing to do, but it isn't illegal, and doesn't warrant being physically assaulted. And some of the double standard business I'm seeing on this thread is ridiculous. Urgh. Being a wronged woman does not justify physical violence. And yah, the whole golf club thing just ups the ante into felony assault with the intent to do serious bodily harm.
If it went down as speculated, hopefully Tiger can overcome the stigma and speak out truthfully today. Assault is still assault, but it takes a "bigger" person who is larger and stronger to succumb to a good few licks without retaliating, while possibly attempting to restrain an attacker, or riding it out in measured control until you can walk away. No shame in that.
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The police clearly don't want to investigate this case or get involved at all. When the police came to interview Tiger the first time the wife told them he was sleeping and they just left! If she were a he, there is no way they would have been all "Sure, we can come back at another time. No problem".
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#domesticviolenceisnotfunny
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I was in no way justifying domestic violence (See School of Obviousness).
But from the School of Commonsense and Knowledge of Nasty Spousal Relations, I can tell you that, assuming what people surmise is correct:
A very attractive, still young woman, i.e., still wants to preserve her looks, who is the mother of young children, i.e., wants to protect her tender offspring, does not wail on her super-successful, multimillionaire, celebrity husband who's been rumored to have been a non-stop Lothario/Don Juan for just nothing.
He said something. It was probably outrageous.
Further Affiant Sayeth Not.
And a good weekend to all.
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What she said or what he said is of no consequence in this debate.
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We don't even know what happened, how can you possibly say that?
People lose their tempers and it devolves into physical violence all the time. It would be better if it didn't, but ithas been known to happen.
What was said does matter.
Personally, assuming that what's been reported is accurate, I am not particularly mystified.
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It's would not be acceptable because it happens on a daily basis.
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People read what they want to read.
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I never said it was "fine." I said I understood it in context, assuming what we've been told is true.
Really, before you attack people you should read what they wrote.
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That detail makes the National Enquirer's story a lot more credible because Elin almost broke off her engagement to Tiger right before they got married because she discovered Tiger had a secret cellphone with messages from other women. I'm betting Tiger still has at least one secret cellphone that Elin doesn't know about.
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As thoroughly gross as was that image (I hate you, Charles Philip Arthur George), that was real love.
As for Tiger, I don't know. He and golf don't interest me.
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No doubt she and the kids will be taken care of financially for the rest of their life, but her name will always be linked with this mess.
My guess is she'll dye her hair (her most distinct physical attribute) and remarry as she's young, attractive and rich. She'll publish a memoir, do some talk shows as the "scorned ex-wife of Tiger Woods", and put out a golf clothing line for women.
In other words, I'm not inclined to feel sorry for her as I think she'll come out of this smelling like a Swedish rose.
Tiger, on the other hand, will forever be a cad in the public eye. His halo's officially tarnished. Hardcore golf fans will overlook this latest transgression as long as he continues to out-perform his peers, but sponsors may not. If Nike drops his ass, he's done.
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I think he'll be considered a naughty boy and that will be it.
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Is he the first athlete to have an affair? I think not.
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It comes down to buying power: we the consumers vote with our wallets. If sponsors detect even a hint of compromise to their bottom line, they'll cut him loose.
Jay-Z dropped Chris Brown because he was "tired of all the drama", and they were close friends and business associates. It's not a stretch to see how sponsors could do the same to Woods. I'm not taking bets on the outcome, but I'm skeptical he'll get through this without financial repercussions.
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I would love to believe that there was a real danger of public disapproval, but I doubt it.
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That may be true. The problem is that if the victim won't provide helpful testimony, the prosecution has to come up with other evidence to show that the attack happened. Sometimes they even have to contradict the victim on the stand. The abuser ends up getting a lighter sentence than probably was warranted by the evidence.
New York recently had a couple of high-profile cases in which the victims (both women, one whose faces was slashed very badly) decided they would support their spouse or boyfriend.
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There is a degree of violence that is acceptable in a cheating scenario. A slap to the face is fine. A golf club to the dome is not.
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"There are courts for such things (if someone does it knowingly.)"
I think you've seen too many episodes of Law & Order.
Of course, I think that the best solution is for intelligent people to sit down and talk. But it's not what always happens in the real world.
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