I too am a long-suffering Vikings fan, but I am emphatically NOT on the Fav-ruh bandwagon. We've just gotten through Week 4, anyone remember what Old Man Winter looked like in Week 15 when he was with Gang Green?
And by the way, Green Bay got screwed on that pass interference call at the end of the half. This is what I'm reduced to, a lifelong Vikes fan, born and raised in Minneapolis, pointing out that the Packers got a raw deal on an important play---all because of Brett Fav-ruh.
@OdellLaenas: Agreed, the market doesn't seem to be pricing in the fact that this happens every year. The year before that Jets season, the Pack went 13-3 ... and then Favre heaved 2 picks in the NFC championship.
@Dr. Nick: Can you imagine how terrible it would have been if they still had Dan Dierdorf doing MNF.
I can still here "This Dallas Cowboy Super Bowl champs team is a class organization. They've just go so much class. Class class class" - True fact - this was actually said.
As a long-suffering Vikes fan, I know better than to get too hopeful, even after last night's wonderful game. But you have to love Bret--he loves the game, he's brilliant at it, and he always shows good sportsmanship. Lotta sour grapes on this thread. It's one thing to love football and appreciate its great players; it's another to blindly love your team and hate everyone else.
@Novaload: also a big vikings fan, and i don't love favre at all. he's playing well for the team so far, but i don't have to like it. there were some other factors last night just as important to winning - can't we talk about jared allen, bernard berrian, sidney rice, and percy harvin? especially allen, who totally kicked ass last night.
@Novaload: And it's an entirely different thing to love football and hate the players who make a mockery out of the sport. I always have a good laugh at the Vikings fans who are enamored w/Favre (this is different from the vast majority that I know, who seem wary or actively hateful towards him) - whither the 2008 Jets, my friend. It'll be hilarious when he decides to long bomb one in a close playoff game instead of running out the damn clock because he "just loves the game".
Favre may be the most selfish, self-centered professional athlete ever, which give the characters of some of the people within professional sports, is saying a Hell of a lot.
After he choose of his own free will to retire two seasons ago he could have walked into the sunset as one of the most beloved quarterbacks ever. Instead he changed his mind and proceeded to dick around his old team, the Packers.
The one thing you hear in sports over and over (and over) is "teamwork." Favre has no concept of this; he wants what he wants, and if it inconveniences anyone else (like, not deciding on whether or not to play for the Vikings until after the were done with training camp) he doesn't care.
1) Okay, maybe he's selfish and self-centered -- but at least he's performing at a high level in perhaps the most demanding position in sports. If Favre is "self-centered," what does that make all the dudes who take pro money and fail to give enough of a shit to perform at even an adequate level?
2) Was it just Favre "dick[ing] around" The Pack -- or did Green Bay management perhaps also fail to cover themselves in glory on this issue? (Or, even more likely, is that just the nature of the business and, like Howard Jones sang, No One...Is To Blame?)
3) I think the main way in which Favre has inconvenienced football teams in his career is by beating them. And about that, he appears to care a tremendous amount.
Geez, I sound like a Favre fanboy. Look, if you want to criticize Favre, you have my blessing -- but it seems to me that he's most vulnerable to criticism for his on-field decisions (overthrowing, ignoring coverages), not the off-field ones. If it's questionable off-field decisions you're looking for, try the Giants or Bengals (players division) or Detroit Lions (management).
@hilikusopus: A-freaking-men. I dumped DirecTV's NFL package this season, in part because the cost had spiraled up to around $300/yr (if memory serves, it was $150± in 2003), but mostly because I've become really tired of pro football.
When people ask why, I point out that you didn't hear about the U of Minnesota threatening to move to LA unless someone built the team a new stadium. Then there's the pro game's "parity", or as I call it, consistent mediocrity: if a college team wants to play in a brand-name bowl, it better not lose more than one game. In the NFL, a team can lose a half-dozen games and still make the playoffs. Finally, the teams I root for have devoted this decade to massive suck.
The phone-banker at DTV was appalled, asking "Don't you want to watch your hometown team?" I politely explained that I got the Niners in HD for free, Raiders away games in HD for free, and that I only watched the Detroit Lions for comic relief, and he still didn't get it.
One of my favorite Onion headlines is, "The Sports Team From My Local Area Is Superior To The Sports Team From Your Local Area". Personally, 9 times out of 10 I'm interested in watching a good game. I may begin favoring a team as the game unfolds, but I do not enjoy watching the Giants blow the Chiefs out the water in a one-sided match, and certainly not just because they're NY (the stadium's in Jersey anyway). These guys get paid hundreds of thousands, or millions of dollars to come here and play; they're not my home team at all!
With college ball, these kids are getting an education, they're playing for their team and for their school (with maybe a shot at pro success down the road). It's so much more exciting to watch them play the game.
Major League Baseball, I never watch. Ooooh, look -- homerun derby, how fun!! They even started wrapping the balls differently to get more air out of them. It's like pornography. College ball all the way :)
@hilikusopus: Wait, you seriously think that college athletes are getting an education? Did you go to any of the top football schools? Or even a lower level football school? Because if you've spent any time at them, you should know that, while they're getting a helluva lot of things, an actual education is not one of them the majority of the time.
@skahammer: yes, because there is no way that one could think that both Favre's behavior (he's a former drug addict btw, since that seems to be your threshold of "questional off-field decisions) and, say, Plaxico Burress's behavior are both really idiotic. Because life is not shades of grey. But yes, he has more than enough we can criticize him for on the field, long before we get to "he is also possibly schizophrenic" so point taken.
@allyzay: I went to UConn. Div 1 football and basketball, in addition to a top notch state-subsudized academic program (which is, itself, in part due to a top notch athletic program). They're not all gems, but they're getting an opportunity to better their lives, with and without athletics. Don't assume they're all dumb jocks, either. I went to NYU, too -- not an athletic program to speak of there (besides fencing) -- plenty of kids there with high SAT scores who didn't know their ass from the real world.
But my point was never that college players are more intelligent or more educated then their pro ball counterparts (unless your pro player was drafted right out of high school, that is). I think my larger point is that it is more exciting and engaging to watch talented developing players whose lives are guided by something other than a contract. College ball is played differently than pro ball, generally, as far as the game is considered. And, not for nothing, if a college player starts showing off for the crowd, forgetting his team, acting like a hotdog, he gets his team a penalty -- those self-congratulatory dances in pro ball are pathetic.
@allyzay: I can't speak for the other Big Ele10ven schools, but I know that in my day, the football players at Northwestern were enrolled in ordinary, run-of-the-mill classes with the rest of us. And while our team did set a record for suckage in those years, we did put a few decent players on the field. Maybe you've heard of one of my classmates, a certain Buffalo Bills WR named Tasker?
I am not nuts about the Vikes, but I will admit that between last week's game and last night, Brett got me drunk and made sweet, sweet love to me and made me pancakes in the morning.
...now I await the follow-through.
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And by the way, Green Bay got screwed on that pass interference call at the end of the half. This is what I'm reduced to, a lifelong Vikes fan, born and raised in Minneapolis, pointing out that the Packers got a raw deal on an important play---all because of Brett Fav-ruh.
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And what was up with ESPN last night? As my wife said, it must have been hard for them to watch the game with their noses so far up Favre's ass.
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I can still here "This Dallas Cowboy Super Bowl champs team is a class organization. They've just go so much class. Class class class" - True fact - this was actually said.
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After he choose of his own free will to retire two seasons ago he could have walked into the sunset as one of the most beloved quarterbacks ever. Instead he changed his mind and proceeded to dick around his old team, the Packers.
The one thing you hear in sports over and over (and over) is "teamwork." Favre has no concept of this; he wants what he wants, and if it inconveniences anyone else (like, not deciding on whether or not to play for the Vikings until after the were done with training camp) he doesn't care.
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1) Okay, maybe he's selfish and self-centered -- but at least he's performing at a high level in perhaps the most demanding position in sports. If Favre is "self-centered," what does that make all the dudes who take pro money and fail to give enough of a shit to perform at even an adequate level?
2) Was it just Favre "dick[ing] around" The Pack -- or did Green Bay management perhaps also fail to cover themselves in glory on this issue? (Or, even more likely, is that just the nature of the business and, like Howard Jones sang, No One...Is To Blame?)
3) I think the main way in which Favre has inconvenienced football teams in his career is by beating them. And about that, he appears to care a tremendous amount.
Geez, I sound like a Favre fanboy. Look, if you want to criticize Favre, you have my blessing -- but it seems to me that he's most vulnerable to criticism for his on-field decisions (overthrowing, ignoring coverages), not the off-field ones. If it's questionable off-field decisions you're looking for, try the Giants or Bengals (players division) or Detroit Lions (management).
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When people ask why, I point out that you didn't hear about the U of Minnesota threatening to move to LA unless someone built the team a new stadium. Then there's the pro game's "parity", or as I call it, consistent mediocrity: if a college team wants to play in a brand-name bowl, it better not lose more than one game. In the NFL, a team can lose a half-dozen games and still make the playoffs. Finally, the teams I root for have devoted this decade to massive suck.
The phone-banker at DTV was appalled, asking "Don't you want to watch your hometown team?" I politely explained that I got the Niners in HD for free, Raiders away games in HD for free, and that I only watched the Detroit Lions for comic relief, and he still didn't get it.
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One of my favorite Onion headlines is, "The Sports Team From My Local Area Is Superior To The Sports Team From Your Local Area". Personally, 9 times out of 10 I'm interested in watching a good game. I may begin favoring a team as the game unfolds, but I do not enjoy watching the Giants blow the Chiefs out the water in a one-sided match, and certainly not just because they're NY (the stadium's in Jersey anyway). These guys get paid hundreds of thousands, or millions of dollars to come here and play; they're not my home team at all!
With college ball, these kids are getting an education, they're playing for their team and for their school (with maybe a shot at pro success down the road). It's so much more exciting to watch them play the game.
Major League Baseball, I never watch. Ooooh, look -- homerun derby, how fun!! They even started wrapping the balls differently to get more air out of them. It's like pornography. College ball all the way :)
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But my point was never that college players are more intelligent or more educated then their pro ball counterparts (unless your pro player was drafted right out of high school, that is). I think my larger point is that it is more exciting and engaging to watch talented developing players whose lives are guided by something other than a contract. College ball is played differently than pro ball, generally, as far as the game is considered. And, not for nothing, if a college player starts showing off for the crowd, forgetting his team, acting like a hotdog, he gets his team a penalty -- those self-congratulatory dances in pro ball are pathetic.
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...now I await the follow-through.
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Sorry, as a native Wisconite raised in Green Bay, my hatred for Favre grew three sizes tonight. We'll get 'im back at Lambeau.
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