No one should be upset at the cancellation of this dreck. It was a mercy kill. Doesn't Joss have enough clout now to a) avoid Fox and b) retain creative control over his product? Honestly, though, I still can't get over him thinking that Faith could do anything but be Faith. Why not just follow Dushku around South side Boston and be done with it? #dollhouse
Speaking of Fox: On this week's "House," they had a Whedonesque, beloved-by-geeks writer whom the doctors suspecting of roofie-ing and taking advantage of a teen girl fan in his hotel room. It turned out he didn't do it (she had a medical condition that made her lie about everything, or something -- who can ever tell?), but he still came off as a sleazeball.
Maybe that was the network's way of telling Whedon goodbye. #dollhouse
@Cicada: I think the consensus was that FOX would only renew one or the other and settled on Dollhouse because T:SCC had already been given one renewal
T:SCC was also probably more expensive for FOX, since the network would be paying license fees to Warner Bros for the Terminator rights, while it was producing Dollhouse, well, in-house.
No leaked memos, to my knowledge, but I do seem to remember that when the axe finally came down, one of the FOX execs made some ridiculously self-contradictory remark about how it wasn't an "either/or" decision, but they "ultimately chose Dollhouse, so that was it for T:SCC"
@Sergio Hernandez: That is some effing stupid studio exec logic right there. Why link the fate of two different shows in that way? It also sounds like they were thinking about money before anything else, and I know they had Whedon slash his budget for season 2 under threat of getting the axe.
I'm sure we'll see another low-budget reality show fill the slot left by Dollhouse. Bleh. #dollhouse
@Cicada: "It also sounds like they were thinking about money before anything else..."
They are a television network. Of course they were thinking about money before anything else. Things do what they are designed to do - spiders spin webs, fish swim, corporations seek profit. It constantly surprises me that people expect otherwise. #dollhouse
@Sleepyhead: Oh, of course they were thinking about money. I should clarify: they were taking the short view with regards to profit vs. the long view with regards to developing a lasting audience for the series (and possibly greater profits).
I canceled my cable months ago for just this reason. I'd rather pick and choose the content I watch via Hulu or Netflix than wade through hours of crap on network television. Why pay for all the dreck? #dollhouse
@Cicada: This thread could have been about toothpaste commercials and I promise there would have been a comment along the lines of "Thats why I canceled my cable..." blah blah blah.
Oh, and network television generally refers to the free stations that are broadcast with or without cable. generally when one is paying for cable it is for stations such as food network, bravo, comedy central, etc... Those aren't generally considered network television, they are considered cable television.
The whole "I canceled my cable over this" is an old line.... just like "I threw up in my mouth a little bit". If you don't watch TV or don't find value in cable, then fine - but why does every article about a tv show have to include such statements?
Its not like I'll be talking with my friends this wekeend about Dollhouse and then chime in with, 'Well, you know, its crap like this that caused Cicada on the Gawker Forums to cancel their cable subscription. " #dollhouse
@eXo: To clarify: I don't have an antenna, so without cable I don't get decent reception on any network television channels either. I suppose I could pay for an antenna, but meh.
Also, you're probably seeing a lot of people comment about canceling their cable because they are: [www.homemediamagazine.com]
I thought the comment was pertinent to the situation because we were talking about Fox using a short-sighted business model, where they make money now but drive off consumers like me. And it isn't just Fox, it's pretty much every network. I watch around four television shows a week, all via internet, and I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything.
One last thing: I hope for your friend's sakes that you never bore the shit out of them with stories about random internet commenters. Just the thought of someone doing that makes me throw up in my mouth a little bit.
As a HUGE fan of Firefly and Serenity I was more upset that he wasn't penning a sequel to the latter, and instead was fascinated with like boyish adoration for this whole Dollhouse biz, and his web videos, and being a general egotistical, Tim Burtonesque prima donna.
Yah, yah, he says no studio was interested in a Serenity sequel, despite huge DVD sales, fan reverence, and shameless plugs from the cast post-movie...but, you know, yeah, if there's no script...perhaps not. Seemed this whole Dollhouse Dushku love-fest was really just a distraction and a long disinteresting cat-toy for Fox. They were over it after a few episodes, and right they should have been. It sucked. If you absolutely must put Dusku in something...she'd make a great character in what?....oh, yeah, a Serenity sequel.
So I say, c'mon Whedon, try and market your success, pen a new script, and do the damn thing! It seems the whole cast either isn't doing anything at all (Castle...whatever) OR they're already on sub par Sci-Fi shows (V can spare Baccarin and Tudyk), but all have left the door open for you and seem to be waiting for the call.
@secretagentman: The last officially tracked sales numbers were more than $24 million in 2006, with the movie debuting in 2005, but of course that was 3 years ago and there are still sales being made.
I have to say I liked this show MUCH better than Buffy, which was highly overrated. It was smart - not just snappy dialogue smart, but truly, deeply , authentically smart. #dollhouse
The saddest part about this is that Dollhouse really did have a lousy start, but it's totally hit it's stride now and is a fantastic show. At least Whedon has already given Dollhouse an ending, so all of us fangirls and boys can have closure.
Whedon will continue to make good product, and his fans will eagerly await whatever comes next. #dollhouse
@daveyjonesisdead: I never watched it because the concept, as you described and it was originally marketed screamed for pay cable. I just didn't want to watch love dolls and be left unsatisfied. #dollhouse
@Magister: That's another problem with how Fox handled the series. Whedon was making a show about free will and slavery and Fox was marketing it as soft-core Dushku porn. I imagine some folks were turned off by the marketing, while the ones who liked it were disappointed by the show itself. #dollhouse
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Maybe that was the network's way of telling Whedon goodbye. #dollhouse
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I'd much rather have had a third full season of a doomed but great show than a second season of a mediocre and doomed show. Meh. #dollhouse
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ETA: I've seen this subject brought up before and am just wondering if there's some fact behind it. Did some Fox memo leak or something?
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T:SCC was also probably more expensive for FOX, since the network would be paying license fees to Warner Bros for the Terminator rights, while it was producing Dollhouse, well, in-house.
No leaked memos, to my knowledge, but I do seem to remember that when the axe finally came down, one of the FOX execs made some ridiculously self-contradictory remark about how it wasn't an "either/or" decision, but they "ultimately chose Dollhouse, so that was it for T:SCC"
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I'm sure we'll see another low-budget reality show fill the slot left by Dollhouse. Bleh. #dollhouse
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They are a television network. Of course they were thinking about money before anything else. Things do what they are designed to do - spiders spin webs, fish swim, corporations seek profit. It constantly surprises me that people expect otherwise. #dollhouse
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I canceled my cable months ago for just this reason. I'd rather pick and choose the content I watch via Hulu or Netflix than wade through hours of crap on network television. Why pay for all the dreck? #dollhouse
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Oh, and network television generally refers to the free stations that are broadcast with or without cable. generally when one is paying for cable it is for stations such as food network, bravo, comedy central, etc... Those aren't generally considered network television, they are considered cable television.
The whole "I canceled my cable over this" is an old line.... just like "I threw up in my mouth a little bit". If you don't watch TV or don't find value in cable, then fine - but why does every article about a tv show have to include such statements?
Its not like I'll be talking with my friends this wekeend about Dollhouse and then chime in with, 'Well, you know, its crap like this that caused Cicada on the Gawker Forums to cancel their cable subscription. " #dollhouse
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Also, you're probably seeing a lot of people comment about canceling their cable because they are:
[www.homemediamagazine.com]
I thought the comment was pertinent to the situation because we were talking about Fox using a short-sighted business model, where they make money now but drive off consumers like me. And it isn't just Fox, it's pretty much every network. I watch around four television shows a week, all via internet, and I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything.
One last thing: I hope for your friend's sakes that you never bore the shit out of them with stories about random internet commenters. Just the thought of someone doing that makes me throw up in my mouth a little bit.
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Yah, yah, he says no studio was interested in a Serenity sequel, despite huge DVD sales, fan reverence, and shameless plugs from the cast post-movie...but, you know, yeah, if there's no script...perhaps not. Seemed this whole Dollhouse Dushku love-fest was really just a distraction and a long disinteresting cat-toy for Fox. They were over it after a few episodes, and right they should have been. It sucked. If you absolutely must put Dusku in something...she'd make a great character in what?....oh, yeah, a Serenity sequel.
So I say, c'mon Whedon, try and market your success, pen a new script, and do the damn thing! It seems the whole cast either isn't doing anything at all (Castle...whatever) OR they're already on sub par Sci-Fi shows (V can spare Baccarin and Tudyk), but all have left the door open for you and seem to be waiting for the call.
Pick up the phone.
/rant over. #dollhouse
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Whedon will continue to make good product, and his fans will eagerly await whatever comes next. #dollhouse
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But again, I never really paid that much attention. #dollhouse
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