@kalm77: Compare deaths? Tsunamis and hurricanes are natural disasters. Sure, casualties could have been avoided in both cases, but those were not man-made events, like 9/11. I fail to see the connection.
@im10ashus: There IS a connection. The intentions of the Ad are not a mistake, regardless of the reaction or aftermath to them...
The point is that large scale disasters equal the same primary outcome regardless of cause: human casualties. In other words, try not to forget that TONS of people die and even more suffer elsewhere because of natural disasters, and only dwell on the impact of more emotionally close events such as 911 like a broken record.
It might be a somewhat abstract way of making such a blanket statement, and obviously one they should have known Americans would loose their shit over, but still a valid point.
@taco-flavored-kisses: Can you prevent earthquakes and tsunamis? No. Can you prevent lunatics from flying into buildings yes. They are different things. Duh.
@sloanish: Ugh!! Jesus people... The connection is not on the "how". Obviously the Ad creators (nor I) think that tsunami disasters and terrorist attacks are the same thing. Its a fucking analogy not a synonym.
How many times has Katrina been compared to 911? Also totally not the same thing, but a comparison of reactions, outcomes, and how they were handled is a relevant discussion.
Natural disasters actually, factually, statistically kill more people than terrorism. Get it? The analogy or presentation might not be tasteful or sensitive, but its still there. Use some basic concept deduction for God's sake.
@taco-flavored-kisses: Just because the outcome is the same (i.e. deaths) does not make them comparable. Plates shift (cause) and then there is a tsunami or earthquake, etc. (effect). Terrorism is man-made and therefore preventable. Don't get hot around the collar because nobody is agreeing with your analogy. Obviously, logic is not your strength.
@im10ashus: Did you read anything that I or others wrote on this topic other than this thread ...or are you just continuously reiterating your dislike for the comparison? Its not, btw MY analogy, nor a new one at that.
You said it yourself...the outcome is the same (death)...that alone makes an analogy possible, regardless of how much of a stretch for an advertisement. If they were stating the preventability of the two as a comparative concept, then no, it would not be relevant. Its a comparison of casualty statistics, and however insensitive to 911, its true.
And for the record, I am most certainly not hot around the collar. Its a discussion, and I quite enjoy it throughout the otherwise monotonous workday. Bring it!
Oh, the myriad levels of fail in this whole sordid affair gladden the heart. A confederacy of dunces going to work is a thing of beauty.. Behold:
1. Passing of hot potato between agency and client. In Portuguese!
2. Lamelicious post-factum excuses a la "the dog ate my homework": See blame placed on "the inexperience of some professionals.."
3. Retard concept; logic fail in the tagline.
4. Retard execution: DDB Brasil creative team Photoshopped in planes with logos of actual real-life airlines, ALU and Red Line. Nice touch, douchemeisters!
5. The One Club awarding this "spec ad" an award. Vom x 10.
I honestly want to embroider this whole thing on a pillow--it's just too perfect a fail to not deserve immortality.
@snugbug: I finally saw the tagline on the print ad which I originally thought was about humans killing at lot more innocent animals every day which would've made a lot more sense for the WWF. Now I realize that the tagline in the print ad is exactly as stupid as the one in the TV spot. Epic Fail all around is right.
@Weegee's bored: It's like the 80s arcade game Missile command which gave me night sweats as a kid because no matter what you did, annihilation was inevitable...
A huge swathe of organizations that make up the non-profit community are incredibly poorly managed. When the economy was good there were more of the good ones and the bad ones. Founders start off with good intentions and no fiscal sense, or a mission that is far too highly specialized, the wrong leaders altogether (don't get me started on volunter Boards) or (as we see here) lack a diverse, sustainable, broad-based fund-raising strategy.
Before you give your money anywhere, do your own research and make sure that you are giving it to an organization that will be accountable, and hopefully successful in accomplishing the mission. Charitynavigator has good information about it, but you can look online yourself for published info in annual reports. It is not that hard, most people are just too lazy to do it.
Oh dear, there were like 87 people in the stands at the Pittsburgh Pirates v. Marlins game the other day, one of the sports announcing guys counted them. Rows of vastly empty seats. It would be a lot better if all the military people in Afghanistan and Iraq were allowed to come home and be paid to watch baseball instead.
OK, so I'll inject a bit of honesty here...the banks are bankrupt, the gov't is bankrupt, the big 3 automakers are bankrupt, foreclosures off the charts, unemployment rates soaring, MTA broke, fees rising, no health insurance, crumbling infrastructure, outsourcing, Enron/Ken Lay, mortgage backed securities, derivatives, hedge funds, short selling, sub prime mortgages, fannie mae, freedie mac, AIG, um...seems as though the latter beginning with Enron had perfected their "craft", whilst the former are in deep doo-doo.
When are we going to admit that we all drvise any way we can to get each-other's money out of each-other's hands and into our own personal (bankrupt) banks accounts??? Get real people!!! The past 10 - 20 years have been the most massive financial fraud in the history of mankind perpetrated by the very same people who masquerade as our leaders of business and government!!! Big businesses cheating, stealing, lying from consumers. Off the charts APR's!! Why? Because we say so!!! (read the fine print darlings! - and who does anyway? - exactly!!) Said Leona "only the small people pay taxes"!!! How prophetic of Ms. Helmsley!! You think Bernie Madoff pulled off the biggest Ponzi scheme??? Think again people!!!!!!! So tired of this crap. Revolt I say!!!! Everyone stop paying every bill, en masse!!!!! All on one day!!! Just might work. This slow death of a "bail-out" period is such torture and just delaying the inevitable collapse followed by a "new" New World Order". (Google Bilderburg Group). Nuff said.
@MelitaPolyhymnia: I would love to join your crusade but I'm typing this on an expensive computer at work which helps me pay the people that rip me off.
@Cheap Shot: Me too. I'm just a cog in a fucking wheel. While I generally agree with everything you wrote, MelitaPolyhymnia, I guess I'll just opt for the slow and torturous route to the New New World Order, I'm just lazy like that. It's the path of least resistance if I keep working my ass off, just making enough to pay my bills. It's easiest if we can squeeze a few more months of delusion out of this fucked up world before we face the facts. As a bonus to living in denial, I get at least a few more episodes in of LOST and might even find out who wins this cycle of ANTM.
PLUS, there's always a slight chance things will get better. hahahaha
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The point is that large scale disasters equal the same primary outcome regardless of cause: human casualties. In other words, try not to forget that TONS of people die and even more suffer elsewhere because of natural disasters, and only dwell on the impact of more emotionally close events such as 911 like a broken record.
It might be a somewhat abstract way of making such a blanket statement, and obviously one they should have known Americans would loose their shit over, but still a valid point.
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How many times has Katrina been compared to 911? Also totally not the same thing, but a comparison of reactions, outcomes, and how they were handled is a relevant discussion.
Natural disasters actually, factually, statistically kill more people than terrorism. Get it? The analogy or presentation might not be tasteful or sensitive, but its still there. Use some basic concept deduction for God's sake.
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You said it yourself...the outcome is the same (death)...that alone makes an analogy possible, regardless of how much of a stretch for an advertisement. If they were stating the preventability of the two as a comparative concept, then no, it would not be relevant. Its a comparison of casualty statistics, and however insensitive to 911, its true.
And for the record, I am most certainly not hot around the collar. Its a discussion, and I quite enjoy it throughout the otherwise monotonous workday. Bring it!
09/03/09
1. Passing of hot potato between agency and client. In Portuguese!
2. Lamelicious post-factum excuses a la "the dog ate my homework": See blame placed on "the inexperience of some professionals.."
3. Retard concept; logic fail in the tagline.
4. Retard execution: DDB Brasil creative team Photoshopped in planes with logos of actual real-life airlines, ALU and Red Line. Nice touch, douchemeisters!
5. The One Club awarding this "spec ad" an award. Vom x 10.
I honestly want to embroider this whole thing on a pillow--it's just too perfect a fail to not deserve immortality.
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Before you give your money anywhere, do your own research and make sure that you are giving it to an organization that will be accountable, and hopefully successful in accomplishing the mission. Charitynavigator has good information about it, but you can look online yourself for published info in annual reports. It is not that hard, most people are just too lazy to do it.
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04/22/09
When are we going to admit that we all drvise any way we can to get each-other's money out of each-other's hands and into our own personal (bankrupt) banks accounts??? Get real people!!! The past 10 - 20 years have been the most massive financial fraud in the history of mankind perpetrated by the very same people who masquerade as our leaders of business and government!!! Big businesses cheating, stealing, lying from consumers. Off the charts APR's!! Why? Because we say so!!! (read the fine print darlings! - and who does anyway? - exactly!!) Said Leona "only the small people pay taxes"!!! How prophetic of Ms. Helmsley!! You think Bernie Madoff pulled off the biggest Ponzi scheme??? Think again people!!!!!!! So tired of this crap. Revolt I say!!!! Everyone stop paying every bill, en masse!!!!! All on one day!!! Just might work. This slow death of a "bail-out" period is such torture and just delaying the inevitable collapse followed by a "new" New World Order". (Google Bilderburg Group). Nuff said.
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PLUS, there's always a slight chance things will get better. hahahaha
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Hmmm, just a thought: What is missing from that picture? ("___, apple pie and baseball")
Mom! Mom is IN the pie!
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Along with the four and twenty blackbirds, it might get a little crowded.
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For next season, the Yankees plan to raise premium ticket prices 4 percent.
REALLY? ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THIS ONE GUYS?
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