Ever heard the saying that our justice system isn't perfect, but it's the best in the world? In my experience, the same goes for health care....Needs some work on the coverage side, but the technical end (treatments and technology) is the best there is....for now....
@Ketchup Sister: Our justice system... is the best in the world...
I'm sorry, just trying to sound that out is difficult.
So our justice system, which is overcrowded, letting many criminals out on the street early to avoid said overcrowding, that incarcerates many millions of minor offenses for lass than an ounce of marijuana per year, THAT lets out wife abusers and street thugs to lock up these 'drug offenders,' THAT is the last industrialized nation to still have the death penalty, THAT is unable to prevent the highest murder rate from firearms of all western nations, THAT has dozens of cases overturned every year to new DNA evidence....
THAT IS THE BEST JUSTICE SYSTEM IN THE WORLD?
I realize not all Americans have had the experiences I've had in living in many parts of the world and have a weird view of our home land (as they have no experiences to compare it to), but that is sad if you truly believe that.
@Ketchup Sister: Having a great technology that doesn't get to the people who need to use it...well, mightn't it be better to have slightly less technological innovation and more access? It's like Steve Jobs saying, "I've invented a new computer that puts all other people to shame. But I'm not going to let you buy it."
@Ketchup Sister: It's a common cannard on behalf of the apologists for the status quo to confuse health care with access to health care. Those are two completely different things. I don't give a shit if Arab sheikhs jet to the Mayo clinic for cancer treatment. I'm more concerned about access to day-to-day preventative health care and intensive treatment that doesn't send people into bankruptcy.
"Needs some work on the coverage side" is such a flippant way of describing the fundamental problem with the entire system.
And considering the growing number of Americans successfully seeking treatment overseas I'm not entirely sure that under all circumstance America is the best health care in the world. And we can also safely say it doesn't provide the best access.
I'd save the patriotic hubris for after we deal with the millions of people whose only access to health care is out-of-pocket payments for emergency treatment. That's hardly something to be proud of.
@Graces: Sure you can. But then I get to be a jerk and point out that there's absolutely no logical reason why somebody's mind would change so dramatically over a period of one year. So obviously Glenn Beck is just an empty suit spouting whatever bullshit will appease the bulk of his viewership. Which we already knew of course, but this just kind of nails the point home in a concrete way.
@Topheel: Okay, well whatever time period it was. I still don't understand how his mind would change so dramatically from "this system is broken for the average person" to "American healthcare is #1 in the world."
@laikapants: I made the serious error in judgment by watching this at work. Now, everyone who works around me thinks I'm a giggling village idiot (not unusual).
I've seen several of these but this was the first time I've seen a compilation. Brilliant work.
@Cajun: If it's any consolation, I'd have no idea what the nutjobs were saying, if you didn't suffer through it on our behalf. Thanks.
As to this newly-minted(?) nonsense about world leaders coming to the US for medical care: While some world leaders may get a procedure at Duke, Johns Hopkins or any of our world-class hospitals, they don't participate in our health care system.
The Mayo Clinic isn't going to suddenly become a craptastic facility just because we alter the way people pay for coverage and these world leaders are paying for their procedures, out-of-pocket or through their home system and aren't participating in an HMO.
I think that Glenn Beck is a guy who looked out across the vast expanse of America and saw a nation filled with paranoid dipshits waiting to have their irrational fears confirmed and exploited by an expert modern charlatan, a role he's been all too happy to fill.
I think this is the tactic of many conservative pundits like Ann Coulter, etc. And now it has gotten to the point where they are competing with each other to see who can say (or yell) the most combative and offensive thing on air. I think it's an act though I have to remind myself that it's an act for people who truly believe some of the things they say.
Funny story: A few years ago, Sandra Bernhard was on a small comedy tour. She talked about the first time she met Ann Coulter and how, before she was introduced to Ann, she had planned to rip her to shreds verbally for her conservative views, especially on gay marriage and gays having/adopting children. She had all her 'talking points' ready to go when Ann approached Sandra and said, very friendly, "I'm such a huge fan!" And gave Sandra a hug. Sandra B. was so taken aback by Ann's friendliness, she felt she couldn't possibly verbally redress her and they had a nice conversation. Sandra found it annoying/depressing.
@Fry_Bread_Power: I'm sure Sandra Bernhard would also find my straight-boy love for her to be somewhat annoying and depressing. Which just makes me love her more, for some reason.
brilliant cb. start making donations to your favorite cause in his name and forward it to him and then let him deny supporting planned parenthood, the sierra club, 350.org, 1sky.org, etc
Clearly, this is evidence that Rush Limbaugh has developed an online "How to be a Wacked-out TeleFrothing Journo" correspondence curriculum, and Glenn Beck has been taking classes. Sure, he's a brown-noser, but apparently he has learned enough to game your coverage of FoxNews. I wonder if there's a chapter on OxyContin?
I have a toddler. They are often overwhelmed by their emotions because emotions are big, powerful things that they're not equipped, yet, to deal with. Parents can help a toddler deal with these big, scary outbursts by helping them understand those emotions and their reactions to them.
Whatever else he is, Glenn Beck is a toddler who was parented by neglectful assholes.
My toddler is more emotionally mature than this twinkie.
@Mediahohoho: When forced to stay in a room with his show running, I find it makes it easier for me to deal with, if I imagine him jumping around clothed only in a low-hanging wet diaper, and gesticulating with a half-filled bottle of formula.
Then the content fits the image.
The cognitive dissonance of an apparently well-groomed adult doing the same, is otherwise uncomfortable to have to assimilate...
@BlinkyMcChuck: let's use kind words, not words that hurt people's feelings. how do you feel now? are you still angry? or are your feelings more happy? i am here to talk about your feelings any time.
"...by doing so that I'm sort of feeding the beast..." I always have a TV on at work around 5 PM when Glenn Beck comes on. Initially, I watched him for a few days when he first came on and couldn't take it anymore. However, when I started seeing the reports on Gawker, I started watching again to get a jump on what might be discussed.
I'm a conservative who firmly believes that this is a disastrous time to bring in additional spending. I understand that politically, the stars have all lined up for the Democrats to push this through, but economically this country is still very fragile and we could wind up putting the Great Depression scenario back on the table. I believe that's a rational, non-paranoid point of view.
Beck will generally make a point like this by making an emotional appeal (he loves emotion) and then telling you things like stock up on larger sizes of shoes for your children, since you probably won't be able to buy them new shoes when their feet grow. I'm not making that up. He actually talked about buying graduating shoe sizes on his radio show one day.
@ChillbearLatrigue: But you're also bright and aware enough to understand that our nation's heathcare system does not work, and that when you consider the fact that America is a super power (at least it still is at the moment), it's a disgrace that such a large percentage of our citizens don't have any healthcare at all (whether they can afford it or not). So until a conservative comes up with a viable solution to what I'm sure you can agree is a very serious problem, we're stuck with whatever solution the democrats come up with.
@ChillbearLatrigue: dude, with the banks not lending and industry not moving, government spending is the only spending happening: for jobs, for basic services, etc. keynesianism works. head in the sand no no no no no republicanism does not work
@misslinda: good points; that and our healthcare costs more and gets worse outcomes than other industrialized countries. take the thieving insurance companies out of it. they do nothing but take money away from care and keep it for their gold plated offices
@if_i_only_had_a_heart: "Keynesianism" works about as well as Cuba works. I have a higher standard for the US. It's not a complicated concept to understand that you can not continually spend more than you take in and hope while praying that what you take in is going to keep increasing. That is a house of cards.
@misslinda: Thank you, but its a slight mischaracterization of what I am willing to accept. I believe that the current health care system is a disaster that actually kills people. However, I am not willing to accept a slapped together solution that also pushes us toward national bankruptcy just because there is nothing better on the table. In this case, no solution is better than a bad solution.
@ChillbearLatrigue: What all conservatives convenientely forget is that their way has been tried before, hilariously in the great depression. Hoover presided over the first years of it, he did not stimulate, he lowered taxes. How did it end?
@ChillbearLatrigue: Keynesianism is the base of the post-war "Wirtschaftswunder" of Germany and Japan, arguably the most sucessful economic projects ever. In fact, it is also the basis of the end of the great depression in europe (because of the heavy military spending pre WW2).
If you claim the situation in Cuba, which is a planned economy under trade embargos, as the result of Keynesianism, you are arguing in bad faith.
In fact, this is so wrong, I am gonna call you a liar on this.
@transbastard: Cuba was subsidized by the former Soviet Union for nearly 30 years. Europe has traded freely with Cuba the entire time. Learn the difference between an embargo and a blockade, jackass.
In reference to Japan, have you ever heard of the bubble economy or the lost decade. Get back to me.
@ChillbearLatrigue Cuba is limited in its trade options, and it is a planned economy. Nothing whatsoever Cuba does or doesn't do is related to Keynes.
Ooo, Japan - country of the poor and starving - Oh wait. Do you really wanna bring Japan into a discussion of failed economies?
Japan can be said to be the strongest adherent to Keynes ideas, and its sucess speaks for itself. That their economy isn't all milk and honey all the time comes with living in reality.
Conservative=Keynes will be the end of us all! Poverty!! Starvation!!!! We must lower taxes. Lowering taxes is always right! Deregulation does miracles! Miracles, I tell ya'!
Anybody else=You know, reality doesn't agree with you.
Conservative=It does! It does! Random data point, see! Jackass!
@transbastard: You have a distinctively unpleasant tone about you. If you compare both the US and Japanese economies over time, I will take the US Free Market Economy hands down.
No one is reading this thread anymore, so let's pick it up privately or oon the next round.
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I'm sorry, just trying to sound that out is difficult.
So our justice system, which is overcrowded, letting many criminals out on the street early to avoid said overcrowding, that incarcerates many millions of minor offenses for lass than an ounce of marijuana per year, THAT lets out wife abusers and street thugs to lock up these 'drug offenders,' THAT is the last industrialized nation to still have the death penalty, THAT is unable to prevent the highest murder rate from firearms of all western nations, THAT has dozens of cases overturned every year to new DNA evidence....
THAT IS THE BEST JUSTICE SYSTEM IN THE WORLD?
I realize not all Americans have had the experiences I've had in living in many parts of the world and have a weird view of our home land (as they have no experiences to compare it to), but that is sad if you truly believe that.
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"Needs some work on the coverage side" is such a flippant way of describing the fundamental problem with the entire system.
And considering the growing number of Americans successfully seeking treatment overseas I'm not entirely sure that under all circumstance America is the best health care in the world. And we can also safely say it doesn't provide the best access.
I'd save the patriotic hubris for after we deal with the millions of people whose only access to health care is out-of-pocket payments for emergency treatment. That's hardly something to be proud of.
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I've seen several of these but this was the first time I've seen a compilation. Brilliant work.
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As to this newly-minted(?) nonsense about world leaders coming to the US for medical care: While some world leaders may get a procedure at Duke, Johns Hopkins or any of our world-class hospitals, they don't participate in our health care system.
The Mayo Clinic isn't going to suddenly become a craptastic facility just because we alter the way people pay for coverage and these world leaders are paying for their procedures, out-of-pocket or through their home system and aren't participating in an HMO.
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I think this is the tactic of many conservative pundits like Ann Coulter, etc. And now it has gotten to the point where they are competing with each other to see who can say (or yell) the most combative and offensive thing on air. I think it's an act though I have to remind myself that it's an act for people who truly believe some of the things they say.
Funny story: A few years ago, Sandra Bernhard was on a small comedy tour. She talked about the first time she met Ann Coulter and how, before she was introduced to Ann, she had planned to rip her to shreds verbally for her conservative views, especially on gay marriage and gays having/adopting children. She had all her 'talking points' ready to go when Ann approached Sandra and said, very friendly, "I'm such a huge fan!" And gave Sandra a hug. Sandra B. was so taken aback by Ann's friendliness, she felt she couldn't possibly verbally redress her and they had a nice conversation. Sandra found it annoying/depressing.
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Whatever else he is, Glenn Beck is a toddler who was parented by neglectful assholes.
My toddler is more emotionally mature than this twinkie.
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Then the content fits the image.
The cognitive dissonance of an apparently well-groomed adult doing the same, is otherwise uncomfortable to have to assimilate...
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I'm a conservative who firmly believes that this is a disastrous time to bring in additional spending. I understand that politically, the stars have all lined up for the Democrats to push this through, but economically this country is still very fragile and we could wind up putting the Great Depression scenario back on the table. I believe that's a rational, non-paranoid point of view.
Beck will generally make a point like this by making an emotional appeal (he loves emotion) and then telling you things like stock up on larger sizes of shoes for your children, since you probably won't be able to buy them new shoes when their feet grow. I'm not making that up. He actually talked about buying graduating shoe sizes on his radio show one day.
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@misslinda: Thank you, but its a slight mischaracterization of what I am willing to accept. I believe that the current health care system is a disaster that actually kills people. However, I am not willing to accept a slapped together solution that also pushes us toward national bankruptcy just because there is nothing better on the table. In this case, no solution is better than a bad solution.
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If you claim the situation in Cuba, which is a planned economy under trade embargos, as the result of Keynesianism, you are arguing in bad faith.
In fact, this is so wrong, I am gonna call you a liar on this.
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In reference to Japan, have you ever heard of the bubble economy or the lost decade. Get back to me.
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Ooo, Japan - country of the poor and starving - Oh wait. Do you really wanna bring Japan into a discussion of failed economies?
Japan can be said to be the strongest adherent to Keynes ideas, and its sucess speaks for itself. That their economy isn't all milk and honey all the time comes with living in reality.
Conservative=Keynes will be the end of us all! Poverty!! Starvation!!!! We must lower taxes. Lowering taxes is always right! Deregulation does miracles! Miracles, I tell ya'!
Anybody else=You know, reality doesn't agree with you.
Conservative=It does! It does! Random data point, see! Jackass!
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No one is reading this thread anymore, so let's pick it up privately or oon the next round.