I'd heard that our "younger" generation was pretty stupid, uncaring and had no interest in things important to the future of the world...all the posts about Che's grandaughter just proved it. I'm 64 BTW...and still a revolutionary. Viva Che!
I'd like to see a Capitalism vs. Socialism jello wrestling match between Lydia Hearst and Lydia Guevera. The gate could go to PETA or poor people or something.
I was a card carrying member of PETA (and proudly wore my PETA t-shirts) until I found out PETA kills thousands of adoptable dogs a year in their Norfolk Virginia headquarters. (They are hellbent on eradicating pit bulls and certain other breeds even if they are highly adoptable and pretend they're gonna put them up for adoption without any intention of doing so.)
@I_b_hatin: It hates you too, asshole. A lot of people admire Che for what he did. A lot of people who actually LIVE in the areas that he affected, and don't take their stupid suburban white privilege and paint it all over the world.
@I_b_hatin: What exactly do you think you know about Cuba? Is it the same sort of thing you think you know about Che? Sure, some people in Cuba don't like Castro's government. That's the same as every government on earth.
@Pope John Peeps II: A catfight on a blog about politics, wouldn't that be great. I decline, you stay on your side of the fence and me and my stupid suburban white privilege will stay over here. You know nothing about me.
@Pope John Peeps II: I don't really want to get into a political thing here, but I'm pretty sure my Cuban wifey's entire family would laugh in your face. Yeah, I'd say they see Che as a thug, and for good reason. I don't pretend to know who you are or your background, but I'm willing to bet if you sat down and talked to people that were pretty much exiled in 1959 ABOUT that time (try a large chunk of the Cuban-American population in Florida, New York, New Jersey...)and heard their thoughts on the politics of it all, you may get a different picture. Che was no saint.
@Beansie: armed revolutionaries tend to be a bit polarizing, beansie. think the tamil tigers, IRA, zapatistas etc.
of course, the landed artistocracy of the batista regime don't think very highly of guevara and castro. they lost a shitload. most south americans consider him a hero. then again, most south americans are mired in poverty. go figure.
@Beansie: Sure he was no saint. But in general terms the people who left Cuba left because they were the wealthier portion of that population, and feared the impact of the revolution. Certainly they were absolutely in fear for their lives, and that's a terrible thing, but I'm sure they were also in fear for their livelihoods. It's difficult to go from status to not.
Like I said, some liked what Che and Castro did, some didn't. But it's not totally negative. Just like every government on earth. Cuba's done fairly well for itself in some metrics (health, education, for example).
@Pope John Peeps II: We should never forget that the primary responsibility for the poverty and despair in Cuba is on US imposed embargo. There is no reason why Cuba should be worse off than China, but it is, mainly because of how US treats them.
Having said that, I've always despised ideologues for their disregard of the cost in human suffering, and when you have an ideologue with a gun... well, let's just say that's not really my type.
On the other hand, I'd gladly plaster Che's poster over a wall just to spite the right wingers when I get tired of their "leftist = wuss" blabering. However, it's been done to death, and can now only serve the "leftists = hypocrites || ignoramus" blabering.
@Niko Bellic: And if thinking that Che is cool gets the kids reading and thinking (maybe even critically thinking!) about history about things like the US embargo, I say let let the Che posters and t-shirts stay.
@Niko Bellic: The country went into a nosedive after the USSR fell. I fail to see how it would be less of a police state if we traded with them. They already trade with dozens of other countries.
I agree its an outdated embargo (economic sanctions are bullshit-look at 90s-2003 Iraq).
I don't know what to say to despair. Thats an emotional word, not quantifiable, and not really an argument.
@TheDayIsMine: It wouldn't be less of a police state, but people would stop dying from malnutrition, which is a much bigger problem.
Sorry, but I have to use this opportunity to ask: do you (as a son of Cuban exiles) really care more about standing up to Castro than about children in Cuba not getting enough to eat?
I'd like to add that I myself have lived through an embargo in Serbia. I hated both the regime and the Americans, because no one really cared about us. But most of all, I hated the exiles who meddled too much into shit that their asses did not directly depend on.
@JQ: look, i'm not the voice of the continent, obviously. i'm speaking from personal experience, as a latin american spanish speaker my entire life. YES, i have been to most the countries there, thank you, and even spoken to people! in spanish! fancy that!
@Lulupasternak: Nobody worships Che, you weird little man. Che did a thing, some of its results were good and some bad. Some of what he was ultimately responsible for was good, and some bad. One can't honestly know what he was PERSONALLY responsible for, but people like you usually let your ideology speak for that.
In short, he was a human being who did a thing, which had imperfect actions. BUT the point is that some of those actions were positive, AND he affected a country in a manner that many people really liked.
@Niko Bellic: No need for the attitude. I understand my grandparents and parents hatred of Castro, I don't expect them to get over it. But the time for deposing Castro has long since passed. He hasn't affected my life in any way, so to answer your question, yes, as much as I would like to see democracy on the island, I'd rather the people not starve first. But come on, are we really expecting rationality from people directly affected like my family? Of course not. We just have to wait out the generation for the hatred to subside and rationality to be allowed to kick in. Because they hate Castro, and rationality cannot exist where hatred exists, and their is no room in foreign policy for emotion...etc.
And even so, only a tiny minority of those kids reading Mein Kampf decide that "hey, Hitler's right!" Those kids were screwed to begin with and chances are they went looking for that book. Most who happen upon Mein Kampf will see it for what it is, or will at least be motivated to look into other sources and, through this process, they'll learn something about bad history. Then they'll be informed citizens, precisely the opposite of those upon whom Mein Kampf would have any negative influence.
I'm of the view that any information is better than no information, since it is the ignorant upon whom dangerous ideology works best. If kids need to read some evil stuff to get to that point, so be it.
@RonMwangaguhunga: It's unpatriotic to criticize the choices our commander-in-chief makes about who needs to be crushed for the sake of democracy! PETA = traitors!
how long before a bunch of hipsters start wearing t-shirts,and plastering their notebooks with stickers, of a black-and-white burnout image of this photo?
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2. She apparently inherited the bad idea gene.
3. What are the chances those carrots are industrially farmed or food styled with who knows what substances?
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Yes, he directed an entire freaking Spanish Che epic and doesn't know the language.
Unless he was pulling my leg.
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of course, the landed artistocracy of the batista regime don't think very highly of guevara and castro. they lost a shitload. most south americans consider him a hero. then again, most south americans are mired in poverty. go figure.
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Like I said, some liked what Che and Castro did, some didn't. But it's not totally negative. Just like every government on earth. Cuba's done fairly well for itself in some metrics (health, education, for example).
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Having said that, I've always despised ideologues for their disregard of the cost in human suffering, and when you have an ideologue with a gun... well, let's just say that's not really my type.
On the other hand, I'd gladly plaster Che's poster over a wall just to spite the right wingers when I get tired of their "leftist = wuss" blabering. However, it's been done to death, and can now only serve the "leftists = hypocrites || ignoramus" blabering.
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The only people who worship Che are suburban white kids.
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I agree its an outdated embargo (economic sanctions are bullshit-look at 90s-2003 Iraq).
I don't know what to say to despair. Thats an emotional word, not quantifiable, and not really an argument.
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Sorry, but I have to use this opportunity to ask: do you (as a son of Cuban exiles) really care more about standing up to Castro than about children in Cuba not getting enough to eat?
I'd like to add that I myself have lived through an embargo in Serbia. I hated both the regime and the Americans, because no one really cared about us. But most of all, I hated the exiles who meddled too much into shit that their asses did not directly depend on.
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you know what i meant, stop trying to be cute.
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In short, he was a human being who did a thing, which had imperfect actions. BUT the point is that some of those actions were positive, AND he affected a country in a manner that many people really liked.
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And even so, only a tiny minority of those kids reading Mein Kampf decide that "hey, Hitler's right!" Those kids were screwed to begin with and chances are they went looking for that book. Most who happen upon Mein Kampf will see it for what it is, or will at least be motivated to look into other sources and, through this process, they'll learn something about bad history. Then they'll be informed citizens, precisely the opposite of those upon whom Mein Kampf would have any negative influence.
I'm of the view that any information is better than no information, since it is the ignorant upon whom dangerous ideology works best. If kids need to read some evil stuff to get to that point, so be it.
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...and she's rich in peta carotene.
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...And we all lose our charms in the end/
But humpbacked or bent kneed/
We stand tall at Tiffany...
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Was it that kind of attitude that got you fired?
We have a carrot theme going on here -- I could see Gloria Vanderbilt in a carrot bandolier as well.