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    The Fallacy Behind Efforts to Save 'Public Service Journalism'

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    Image of ArtfulSlinger ArtfulSlinger
    11/20/09

    In reply to Nikki Finke's Cut-and-Paste Method
    When I heard the news, I knew I was going to get the second TOLDJA email from Ms. Finke and I certainly did. Her information could be digested better if it wasn't written in a way that makes me think she believes she is curing cancer, when she's essentially involved in "The Player", w/out that whole murder.
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    Image of Joe Mitchell's Secret Joe Mitchell's Secret
    11/20/09

    In reply to The Fallacy Behind Efforts to Save 'Public Service Journalism'
    What amazes me; not one sentence about the writing. Snappy? Ponderous? Meh?
    @Zirinsky
    Congrats, you get the blue-ribbon today.
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    Image of MissNormaDesmond MissNormaDesmond
    11/20/09

    In reply to The Fallacy Behind Efforts to Save 'Public Service Journalism'
    So, do you think Gawker is a better website now than it was the day it launched?
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    Image of If_I_Had_a_Poodle If_I_Had_a_Poodle
    11/20/09

    In reply to The Fallacy Behind Efforts to Save 'Public Service Journalism'
    Well, in the old days before child labor laws, urchins were their distribution system, so maybe it's 2 steps forward, 3 back
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    Image of Airvault Airvault
    11/20/09

    In reply to Nikki Finke's Cut-and-Paste Method
    "Her voice grows thick with emotion" is the "It was a dark and stormy night" of transcript reporting.
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    Image of Anthony De Rosa Anthony De Rosa
    11/20/09

    In reply to Nikki Finke's Cut-and-Paste Method
    John, do you think the Chicago Tribune would link to a blogger if they transcribed comments before they did. I seriously doubt it. The MSM does not follow the same rules bloggers have created for themselves, why should bloggers show them the courtesy that they don't show bloggers?
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    11/20/09

    @Anthony De Rosa: BTW, I realize Finke doesn't follow basic blogging etiquette herself, my comment was more about the Chicago Tribune than about Finke.
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    Image of John Cook John Cook
    11/20/09

    @Anthony De Rosa: Because it's the right thing to do? Also, it's not just about courtesy--it's about transparency and not passing off another's work as your own.
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    Image of Anthony De Rosa Anthony De Rosa
    11/20/09

    @John Cook: The MSM does not show courtesy to bloggers, bloggers are much better at attribution than MSM is, when it comes to giving proper attribution to blogs.

    It's a HUGE deal when a blog doesn't attribute something by a MSM outlet, but rarely is it pointed out when a MSM outlet fails to give credit to a blogger, which is the norm rather than the exception.

    I agree with you, it IS the right thing to do, it IS about transparency, and it IS about not passing off another's work as your own, three things that MSM often forgets when it comes to attribution for work they got through bloggers.

    #submit
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    Image of AndPreciousLittleofThat AndPreciousLittleofThat
    11/20/09

    In reply to Nikki Finke's Cut-and-Paste Method
    So is that "thousand bucks for a Nikki Finke picture" thing still going? I can't believe nobody ever won that.
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    Image of manchops manchops
    11/20/09

    In reply to Nikki Finke's Cut-and-Paste Method
    i actually give her credit for breaking the story three weeks ago
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    Image of John Cook John Cook
    11/20/09

    @manchops: So do I.
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    Image of RandomLunatic RandomLunatic
    11/20/09

    In reply to Nikki Finke's Cut-and-Paste Method
    She loathes the idea of linking other bloggers. LOATHES it. She's the ultimate Darwinian blogger that way - in spite of her undoubtedly having benefited on more than one occasion from links from the likes of Matt Drudge.
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    Image of BicycleShed BicycleShed
    11/20/09

    In reply to Nikki Finke's Cut-and-Paste Method
    But, but, but, but Nikki Finke is a capital J JOURNALIST not a lowly lower case blogger! Of course she is. Someone should probably ask for their money back.
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    Image of Owen Thomas Owen Thomas
    11/13/09

    In reply to Columnist Literally Eats His Words, Proving Print Is Still Better for Some Things
    Please! Techies were pulling this move decades ago -- most notably when Ethernet inventor Bob Metcalfe ate his words about an Internet crash he predicted:
    [www.wired.com] #retractions
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    Image of A Message To Rudy A Message To Rudy
    11/13/09

    In reply to Columnist Literally Eats His Words, Proving Print Is Still Better for Some Things
    He's averaging 11 points and 12 rebounds after about EIGHT GAMES. But for his admittedly short career, he's averaging about six points for each. A little early on the column dining, Morrissey. Talk to me when Noah averages a double-double for his CAREER. #retractions
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    Image of johnny_carsick johnny_carsick
    11/13/09

    @A Message To Rudy: remember that homeboy tore it up in the playoffs last year, as well.

    but yeah, point taken. #retractions
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    Image of A Message To Rudy A Message To Rudy
    11/13/09

    @johnny_carsick: Living here in Chicago I am well aware of his playoff surge. I am also well aware of his carboard-like presence the previous 100-plus games, so, yeah, I do feel that even with his post-season heroics, saying he has proven himself is a little premature. #retractions
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    Image of johnny_carsick johnny_carsick
    11/13/09

    @A Message To Rudy: well, noah's the kind of player that's only really effective in certain kinds of systems - he can run, passes well, and has a good handle for a big guy.

    i think skiles had something to do with handcuffing him then, i think derrick rose deserves a bit of credit for how he's playing now. kid's coming into his own.

    that being said, i'm a homer. loved those back-to-back UF teams. and i generally hate UF. #retractions
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    Image of A Message To Rudy A Message To Rudy
    11/13/09

    @johnny_carsick: Yeah, I definitely see your point. Some of the pressure's off Noah with Rose coming in. That plus the fact that he's maturing as a player will hopefully lead to more boards (the main thing I want out of him). Dont' get me wrong, I like the guy. Just hasn't proven that he deserves the apologies of any doubters yet. To me. #retractions
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    Image of johnny_carsick johnny_carsick
    11/13/09

    @A Message To Rudy: i also just think morrissey's a tool, this little publicity stunt included.

    but yeah, go bulls. #retractions
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    Image of raincoaster raincoaster
    11/13/09

    In reply to Columnist Literally Eats His Words, Proving Print Is Still Better for Some Things
    Both of these guys are wonderful.

    I'd like to see Arianna Huffington eat all of the passages in her books that she "improperly referenced." #retractions
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    Image of Conchie Birdie Conchie Birdie
    11/13/09

    In reply to Columnist Literally Eats His Words, Proving Print Is Still Better for Some Things
    And journalistic integrity has come down to this. #retractions
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    Image of jasonelias jasonelias
    11/13/09

    In reply to Columnist Literally Eats His Words, Proving Print Is Still Better for Some Things
    I don't know what's sadder? The very idea, the execution, Rick's shirt, the salsa, the fact that he's going to crap this later, it's 5:00 of total sad. #retractions
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