I've worked at seven newspapers, including major metros in three cities. The Tribune under O'Shea had more money than any of them and produced a worse local news report.
Metro reporters at the Trib routinely had their asses handed to them by the Sun-Times, and nobody seemed to care... or even notice.
The only thing more embarrassing than O'Shea's performance at the Trib is this ridiculous new venture.
Selling content to broke newspapers and putting up a pay wall that prevents anybody else from reading your stuff is not a business model.
Lots of people here, including the writer of this post, have no idea what they're talking about, or else they are, yes, bitter.
Blaming *Jim Warren.* Really? And you know O'Shea lost his job over the Trib's terrible management decisions, right?
John, if you had a bad experience working for a corporate newspaper, I understand, believe me. And you might not have liked your editorial bosses. But going from that to blaming them for the paper's demise is ridiculous and, yes, rather transparently just bitterness on your part. Those people were all there for years before you were, and when the paper was still great. How do you explain that?
And yeah, sorry, but being a reporter is in fact a lot harder than writing 3 or 4 snarky posts every day for quarter of the money. If you've never been a reporter, answerable to people who demand clean, error-free copy based on reported facts and not half-assed opinion, you might not know this, but it's true. #newyorktimes
@johnnypotatoes: O'Shea didn't lose his job at the Trib. He was promoted from managing editor of the Chicago Tribune to executive vice president and editor of the Los Angeles Times. He was fired from that job for refusing to carry out layoffs. I don't know whom to blame for the Trib's crash other than the people who crashed it. And I hesitate to get into this, because it's nobody's business, but everybody likes to talk about how cheap bloggers are and usually they don't know what they're talking about: I make more money at Gawker than I did at the Tribune, and I don't get paid by pageviews. #newyorktimes
"The Times has always had a very good foothold in Chicago because there is no local alternative for the sort of people who read the Times—curious, smart, and not invested in Chicago's bottomless Second City status anxiety."
You're kidding, right? The kinds of Chicagoans who read the Times are exactly like those who read it in New York--narcissistic, pretentious snots who truly believe that wherever their own two feet are planted is the center of the universe.
There is very little "status anxiety" in Chicago unless you're a Pritzker or a Daley or an Oppenheimer because, namely, there are no outlets that report on these people's lives. There are no Gawkers in Chicago, no Page Six, no Guest of a Guest. "Gossip" columns in the dailies report on notable cops, politicians, businesspeople and when David Schwimmer boozes it up at Rockit. #newyorktimes
the chicago tribune never had good local coverage -- the sun times beat them hands down forever, until that paper was wrecked. the chicago trib had lots of talent that somehow never made it into the paper. it was a hidebound mess for decades and then it died a long slow death and that sped up a lot at the end #newyorktimes
To be clear, no newspaper is as good as it used to be. That's what happens when good veterans are bought out or chased away. Bloggers, especially former reporters, are the bees knees, but they make their living trolling off of the terrible newspapers John stridently, if not caustically, called out. You don't like the newspapers? Make a better one. #newyorktimes
@badass-boi: Ha. I tried when I worked there. Not hard enough, obviously, and to no end or effect, because I had no authority. I actually agree with your sentiment to the extent that the answer to newspapers that have been destroyed by a combination of sclerotic management and secular changes in the way people consume media is to try to make a better mousetrap. But what I was trying to say is that the people who are responsible for one of the shittiest big-city mousetraps in the country are unlikely candidates to accomplish that task.
And just because I don't work at a newspaper or magazine anymore doesn't make me a "former reporter," if that's what you were implying. #newyorktimes
@John Cook: yes to all. exactly right on all counts. the non profit model worked in chicago for a long time with their quaint 100 year old local wire service that was a collective city news service -- it's how kidz straight out of school got to cover presidents and mayors, because the dailies never deigned to send staff there, being too embroiled in whatever time wasting nonsense they spent all day involved with, in order to avoid reporting, writing or publishing anything like news. management totally brought it on themselves. #newyorktimes
"I quite literally never met a Tribune subscriber socially during my five years in Chicago"
Somewhat elitist of you, isn't it? I know plenty of Trib subscribers who are not, in fact, blue-haired suburban ladies prone to writing angry letters to the editor. With that said, I will agree that the Trib is mostly written for conservative, tweedy types who argue over the proper usage of the word "gantlet." #newyorktimes
@Fallingdog: please. plenty of trib subscribers' papers quickly become wet boot mats in favor of more timely, online content. chicago's also still a radio town (one that resembles a circus at times, but it takes its share of the old print faithful). i think everyone hoped the trib would come back with the reorg (naively), but it remains ever the sad daily that prefers hollywood wire stories in the place once graced by royko. #newyorktimes
@thatgirlinnewyork: yes to all. nobody read the tribune for a looooong time except for the sports, coupons and comics -- no offense to the reporting staff. #newyorktimes
Sounds like someone is seriously bitter. I too, worked at the Chicago Tribune for a number of years, and didn't have the same experience. True, today it's in shambles, but you're going hard on them because obviously you couldn't handle the pressure. That's probably why you're just blogging now.
@FarleyPapus: That's a bullshit thing to say. John has to produce throughout the day, every day which is much greater than the reporter who faces the single 6:00 pm deadline once a day.
John was also in a very unfortunate position at that paper, because through no fault of his own, things started going south the moment he walked in the door. When you and your spouse are on the bottom, a lot of shit comes your way which you should know if you we ever a journalist.
The Trib got fucked by Zell, but a lot of corporate dickheads had taken over the show from the real newsman years ago. That's John's point and he's right.
@FarleyPapus: lord that's a lot of ignorance in one short paragraph. the tribune was a pathetic shadow of a paper for decades, long before the internet. a greedy stupid company stopped putting decent journalism in the newshole back when they still had a chance. and then it was too late #newyorktimes
@Chore Boy: "...produce throughout the day, every day which is much greater than the reporter who faces the single 6:00 pm deadline once a day."
Utter Bullshit.
"The Trib got fucked by Zell, but a lot of corporate dickheads had taken over the show from the real newsman years ago."
That's true. Too bad none of them were named in this post. One name that could be mentioned is that of Dennis FitzSimons. But there are lots of others. #newyorktimes
Hey, the Olympics have been held in the US several times *recently*, and they've never been in Brazil or even South America. I'm sure Chicago wanted it, but hey, there's always 2020! (I'm sure that being born in Rio de Janeiro has nothing to do with my sentiments. ;p)
Win some, lose some. It's perfectly reasonable that the US wasn't chosen on top of Salt Lake City and Atlanta, for fucks sake. It's an international event.
And it's perfectly reasonable for the President to do a quick flight to Europe to help his country land the games, whether the decision--no doubt made weeks ago--went in the US's favor or not.
That said, one has to wonder how conservatives will be able to convince voters they're actually for America--economically, and in matters like this--after rooting against it for the next four to eight years.
With cretins like Cheney rooting for a terrorist attack and asshats like these gloating on America losing out at the IOC, there's little doubt, as usual, that their highest allegiance is to party.
@OpheliaCharon: I'm going to call bullshit on that and point to every major league franchise in every major sport. What conservatives enjoy is making taxpayers spend their money for the enjoyment of rich, asshole conservatives.
I suppose Dennis Miller is here asked to comment as a successful NFL commentator?
As for Barack Obama, what's the point of the president showing up to support his city, when everyone knows that the US government is the only government that wouldn't finance the games? Chicago would be much better off with Donald Trump or Paul Allen showing up. You know, the people who really run this country.
10/23/09
Metro reporters at the Trib routinely had their asses handed to them by the Sun-Times, and nobody seemed to care... or even notice.
The only thing more embarrassing than O'Shea's performance at the Trib is this ridiculous new venture.
Selling content to broke newspapers and putting up a pay wall that prevents anybody else from reading your stuff is not a business model.
18 months to dead pool.
10/23/09
Blaming *Jim Warren.* Really? And you know O'Shea lost his job over the Trib's terrible management decisions, right?
John, if you had a bad experience working for a corporate newspaper, I understand, believe me. And you might not have liked your editorial bosses. But going from that to blaming them for the paper's demise is ridiculous and, yes, rather transparently just bitterness on your part. Those people were all there for years before you were, and when the paper was still great. How do you explain that?
And yeah, sorry, but being a reporter is in fact a lot harder than writing 3 or 4 snarky posts every day for quarter of the money. If you've never been a reporter, answerable to people who demand clean, error-free copy based on reported facts and not half-assed opinion, you might not know this, but it's true. #newyorktimes
10/23/09
10/22/09
You're kidding, right? The kinds of Chicagoans who read the Times are exactly like those who read it in New York--narcissistic, pretentious snots who truly believe that wherever their own two feet are planted is the center of the universe.
There is very little "status anxiety" in Chicago unless you're a Pritzker or a Daley or an Oppenheimer because, namely, there are no outlets that report on these people's lives. There are no Gawkers in Chicago, no Page Six, no Guest of a Guest. "Gossip" columns in the dailies report on notable cops, politicians, businesspeople and when David Schwimmer boozes it up at Rockit. #newyorktimes
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And just because I don't work at a newspaper or magazine anymore doesn't make me a "former reporter," if that's what you were implying. #newyorktimes
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Somewhat elitist of you, isn't it? I know plenty of Trib subscribers who are not, in fact, blue-haired suburban ladies prone to writing angry letters to the editor. With that said, I will agree that the Trib is mostly written for conservative, tweedy types who argue over the proper usage of the word "gantlet." #newyorktimes
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John was also in a very unfortunate position at that paper, because through no fault of his own, things started going south the moment he walked in the door. When you and your spouse are on the bottom, a lot of shit comes your way which you should know if you we ever a journalist.
The Trib got fucked by Zell, but a lot of corporate dickheads had taken over the show from the real newsman years ago. That's John's point and he's right.
So in conclusion, fuck you Inky.
10/22/09
10/23/09
Utter Bullshit.
"The Trib got fucked by Zell, but a lot of corporate dickheads had taken over the show from the real newsman years ago."
That's true. Too bad none of them were named in this post. One name that could be mentioned is that of Dennis FitzSimons. But there are lots of others. #newyorktimes
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And it's perfectly reasonable for the President to do a quick flight to Europe to help his country land the games, whether the decision--no doubt made weeks ago--went in the US's favor or not.
That said, one has to wonder how conservatives will be able to convince voters they're actually for America--economically, and in matters like this--after rooting against it for the next four to eight years.
With cretins like Cheney rooting for a terrorist attack and asshats like these gloating on America losing out at the IOC, there's little doubt, as usual, that their highest allegiance is to party.
10/02/09
What conservatives enjoy is keeping the money that they work hard for, not squandering it for the perceived glory of hosting a sports competition.
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10/02/09
As for Barack Obama, what's the point of the president showing up to support his city, when everyone knows that the US government is the only government that wouldn't finance the games? Chicago would be much better off with Donald Trump or Paul Allen showing up. You know, the people who really run this country.
10/02/09
"Let the record who there are a lot of beautiful women in..."
Shut up old man.
10/03/09
In Rio they're already rehearsing for the inauguration.
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He's got the same, (make a horrible remark a joke by chuckling at the end) shtick as Ann Coulter. However Dennis is much, much less relevant.
10/02/09