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    Image of Mo MoDo Mo MoDo
    08/24/09

    In reply to Fat-Hating, Midwesterner-Mocking New York Times Writer Taken to Task
    Some fact checker should have flagged the "96 percent of the Penney’s inventory is made of polyester" line as perhaps a tad exaggerated. Maybe Alessandra Stanley can loan out hers.
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    08/24/09

    In reply to Fat-Hating, Midwesterner-Mocking New York Times Writer Taken to Task
    You can say whatever you want, about whomever you want, but you need to make it funny, and this wasn't. That's my main complaint. This was really better sent as an email to a friend, or as a too-long anecdote over brunch when everyone else is dying to get a word in edgewise and change the fucking subject.

    People are defending her out of hometown pride or hating her out of her prejudice, but I want to change the subject: I found the piece to be clumsy. It's overwrought. Her phrases just don't make sense to me, like "imperturbably clunky," and they're ugly. It's maybe high school newspaper level, but not what I would want from this level of paper.

    If you take her dangerous edge away, is she really a writer? I don't know; if this is a representative sample of her work, I don't want to read anything else.

    How do writers like Wilson (and Alessandra Stanley) get and stay in the NY Times? Because I'm sure there are better people who can write funny, assholish columns hating fatties and loving Manhattan who will defend them with panache and no remorse.
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    08/24/09

    @booge: not mention her audience is only, as she admits herself, about 1,300 people. and most of them live in CT. HOW DOES SHE HAVE A JOB?
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    08/24/09

    In reply to Fat-Hating, Midwesterner-Mocking New York Times Writer Taken to Task
    Penneys has an advertising budget of around $1.4b and a stated goal to increase their expenditures online, while "Hipster Boutique" has a homeless dude distributing flyers printed on a home computer.

    The NYTimes spends a lot of money every day to promote home delivery on cable television throughout the country. You can buy a same day copy of the Times in every medium-sized city and it has one of the most popular websites in the world.

    Penneys is considered an American institution. Their stores are throughout the country and though they may have some off-years, pretty much everyone shops in Penneys from time to time.

    Ironic hipsters in New York City might decide to overpay for colored tees, but they don't generally read theTimes, if they read at all and if a columnist were to insult one of their favorite boutiques, they might not even know its name.

    Penneys is a national insititution and pretty much everyone outside of the largest cities has something in their closet from the store, so the consumer backlash can be understood. Penneys also has a huge advertising budget and though it might be "cool" to let some unknown feature writer say whatever they please, the Times really can't alienate the purse.
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    Image of maddoxhair maddoxhair
    08/23/09

    In reply to Fat-Hating, Midwesterner-Mocking New York Times Writer Taken to Task
    you know what? the nyt is -- and ought to be -- an elitist instituion. it's what they do. now the mannequin line may have been more suitable for the gawker comments section than for the newspaper of record, i'll admit, but the lady did write some pretty respectable things about the store, its employees, and its customers.

    and whats with the apologizing? pandering to the lowest common denominator of american culture is not going to save their sinking ship. that crowd hates the nyt and the 'liberal east coast media' anyway -- and it's a safe bet this will be all over fox and friends tomorrow ('nyt not in touch with real americans, elitist snobs!'). and maybe some of us are! shoot, i ought to be shopping at penney's but dammit if i don't aspire to bloomingdales!

    nyt, rein in the cheap shots, but never stop calling a spade a spade. if i want to read fluff, i'll read the usa today or some other crap.
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    Image of Shotrock Shotrock
    08/24/09

    @maddoxhair: I am a liberal east coaster and reader of the Times. I was not aware that such a label required me to be a freaking size 0-2. Please tell me the chapter of the Liberal East Coaster handbook that little tidbit of yours resides in.
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    Image of If_I_Had_a_Poodle If_I_Had_a_Poodle
    08/23/09

    In reply to Fat-Hating, Midwesterner-Mocking New York Times Writer Taken to Task
    there's this: it is what a lot of us were thinking. but that doesn't mean print it in the nyt.
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    08/23/09

    In reply to Fat-Hating, Midwesterner-Mocking New York Times Writer Taken to Task
    Wilson's lucky to be employed, much less at the NYT. I wonder who actually goes to the stores for her.
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    Image of Anthony De Rosa Anthony De Rosa
    08/23/09

    In reply to Fat-Hating, Midwesterner-Mocking New York Times Writer Taken to Task
    Big box hipster superstores like American Apparel and Urban Outfitters are as culturally distasteful as JCPenny but for even more insidious reasons.

    At least the people shopping at JCPenny are trying to make a living on their own money.
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    08/23/09

    @Soup: God, those American Apparel stores are so fucking bright I'm sure they're visible from space. Is that really necessary? Somehow I'm thinking no.
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    Image of Foster Kamer Foster Kamer
    08/23/09

    @Soup: Sure! So are Abercrombie and Fitches. And American Eagles. Etc, etc. And yes, we've all heard the Hipsters Are Trust Fund Babies generalization repeatedly. But to pigeonhole all JC Penny shoppers as blue collar is kind of, I don't know, gauche?
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    Edited by Foster Kamer at 08/23/09 8:49 PM Foster Kamer was starred Foster Kamer was unstarred
    Image of Anthony De Rosa Anthony De Rosa
    08/23/09

    @Foster Kamer: Far less gauche than calling them fat.

    They're honorable, working class people! Sure, maybe their taste in fashion is lacking but earning an honest living is a quality I find more admirable than trendy and douchey.
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    Edited by Anthony De Rosa at 08/23/09 8:59 PM Anthony De Rosa was starred Anthony De Rosa was unstarred
    Image of Foster Kamer Foster Kamer
    08/23/09

    @Soup: Oh, come on. Again: an obvious, populist play! Not everyone who shops at JC Penneys are working class or earn an honest living. Let's move past the "heart of America" bullshit.
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    08/23/09

    @Soup: Hooray! So by definition, living in a major metropolitan city means that, whatever you do, your money is earned dishonestly!
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    Image of SouthernComfort SouthernComfort
    08/23/09

    In reply to Fat-Hating, Midwesterner-Mocking New York Times Writer Taken to Task
    Cintra, I feel your hatred of the evil corporation, JC Penny's. Their horrible fashions ruined my life. My Dad ran off when I was teen. Took all the cash but left his JC Penny's charge card. I had to buy all my clothes there since we were destitute and also so he would know we still existed by way of the bill. I then took a job in the Junior's department so I could get a discount on the crappy clothing for our family, and bonus, listen to Rick Astley and Debbie Gibson on loop! I had tarted up the clothing I purchased because I figured slutty was better than dorky, this led to dating older men with mullets who drove Firebird's and ingesting copious amounts of booze and drugs with said men. I left school with a G.E.D and bad grammar. I also left behind my dreams of moving to New York and settled into a working class life. I come to this site as well as other New York centric sites to read the writing and witty comments and to beat myself up for not pursuing my dreams. But every so often I come upon articles like this, about people like you, and I realize I could have turned out much worse.
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    08/23/09

    @SouthernComfort: Perfection.
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    Image of Will Leitch Will Leitch
    08/23/09

    @SouthernComfort: This comment was absolutely fantastic. Huzzah.
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    Image of If_I_Had_a_Poodle If_I_Had_a_Poodle
    08/23/09

    @SouthernComfort: hearted. i'm from nyc, born and raised, and i hate the dumbass transplants who call themselves nyers and act like hicks with the heat of 1k white hot suns. also.
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    Image of Mister K Mister K
    08/23/09

    @if_i_only_had_a_heart: You must REALLY hate those NYU kids.
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    Image of OrneryBabe OrneryBabe
    08/23/09

    @if_i_only_had_a_heart: Like you, I was born and raised here. In my Brooklyn neighborhood, there are tons of asshats who just got off the plane who believe themselves to be the most down New Yorkers you'll ever meet! And they have the fucking gall to look at me wondering just what the hell I'm doing there.
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    Image of Perhaps Not Perhaps Not
    08/23/09

    @SouthernComfort: Yup. Firebird + Thunderbird + Wonderbread = Inbred.
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    Image of Novaload Novaload
    08/23/09

    @SouthernComfort: What a fantastic rant. Brava, brava!
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    Image of iplaudius iplaudius
    08/24/09

    @SouthernComfort: I don’t know whether that was autobiography or wholesale fiction, but, whatever the case, it was dazzling.
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    08/24/09

    @Mister K: especially. yes. also.
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    08/24/09

    @OrneryBabe: many of them will be gone in1-3 years. i remember the tech bust of 2000 (not long before 9.11) and that cleared out a lot of the poseurs
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    08/24/09

    @SouthernComfort: maybe you could be a penny's spokesperson as the ideal target customer. revenge/justice sort of like maybe
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    08/23/09

    In reply to Fat-Hating, Midwesterner-Mocking New York Times Writer Taken to Task
    This is excellent, Foster. Bravo.
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    08/23/09

    In reply to Fat-Hating, Midwesterner-Mocking New York Times Writer Taken to Task
    Time to call in the rolling death panels! After they take out Cintra Wilson, can they stop by the rest of the staffers who write for the Styles section? What a fucking bitch.

    I'm guessing she's no size 0, either. Not that it would make her any less loathsome.
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    Image of MisterHippity MisterHippity
    08/23/09

    In reply to Fat-Hating, Midwesterner-Mocking New York Times Writer Taken to Task
    The last time Gawker published something about a Cintra Wilson piece in the times - [gawker.com] - I posted a silly picture of Wilson from her website and made fun of her bio.

    Then a couple of other commenters whose taste I respect said Wilson is actually funny and cool and they liked her. Then Wilson herself showed up in the comment thread and posted this - [gawker.com] - funny, self-deprecating comment about the whole thing.

    So then I felt bad that I'd made fun of her.

    But now I don't feel so bad any more. Making fun of folks because they're "bigger" ain't cool.
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    08/23/09

    @MisterHippity: Ahead of the pack, as usual, Hip.

    Also, that picture she posed for is not silly. She worked really hard to get her hair stringy, her blue eyeshadow vulgar, and her rather smallish tits shoved up inside her suit jacket so that she could approximate the pop singer/drag star Marilyn circa 1983, but with none of the charm.
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    08/23/09

    @BookishLookish:
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    08/23/09


    @BookishLookish:
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    08/23/09

    @MisterHippity: The picture got cropped weird this time. Gawker's new picture-posting button needs work, I guess.

    I wish she'd stop staring at me like that ...
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    08/23/09

    @MisterHippity: Updo, gold hoops, pearl necklace, power suit. It should be a winning meat and three combo--somewhat classic--but the perpetual bitchface ruins it.
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    Image of SarahHeartburn SarahHeartburn
    08/23/09

    @MisterHippity: Do I love J.C. Penney?No. Can I afford to shop in Soho? No. So I go to Macy's, Conway's, K-Mart and the Salvation Army. What pissed me off about that piece was that is was easy, cheap and stupid. Just like the clothing that Ms. Cintra purports to hate. Sorry, NYT, but it was a loser space-filler. Iet might have been more interesting to find out why (GASP!!!) semi/speudo/somewhat hipsters on limited budgets try to find affordable and decent clothes in places like the above named. (Especialy if said shoppers are actually New Yorkers and not desperate to fit in out of town hipsters)..

    Now THAT wouldl be interesting journalism.
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    08/23/09

    @SarahHeartburn: You can shop in SoHo. H&M is in SoHo. H&M is cheap. I think the Gap is in SoHo, as well.

    I'm just sayin'.
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    08/23/09

    @Balsa Wood: She obvs. means the fancy jernts in Soho, doll.
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    08/23/09

    @MisterHippity: wow. such mean eyes.
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    08/23/09

    @MisterHippity: I honestly had the impression-and I don't know why- that Cintra Wilson was an African-American woman of a sassy consumerist persuasion. Sort of like Jennifer Hudson playing Carrie Bradshaw's retrograde lady-in-waiting in that fucking awful movie, horribly delighted at a hideous Vuitton bag. Thank God we were spared a tap dance, appalling.

    Don't know what Wilson's supposed to say. Yes, it was cutting, it was acid, it dripped with contempt. Come sit next to me, Cintra.

    This is New York. It is a diamond-hard city, filled with cruel glamour. Deal with it. I've had it with people elsewhere being offended- as in politics, some people will always be offended. They dumb down the discourse, get inordinate amounts of attention from pollsters and the media. "Real America" versus decadent liberal coastal elites.

    Wilson said what she thought, yes in a biting, sardonic way. But she's got every right to do that. Note that most of the complaints came frome outside NYC. Boo hoo. Can you believe these people have the time to complain?

    In NYC, glamour is not a democracy, except for the especial pleasure of walking past exceptionally well-dressed people, or smelling an exotic perfume on our happily democratic sidewalks. I love this about New York. No, we can't all be supermodels, but it's lovely to appreciate style and beauty when we see it, and in NYC, it's a high standard. Don't hate, appreciate.

    Let's keep the standards of NYC glamour high. Let's not dumb it down. I don't want Anna Wintour to be nice, I want her to frighten me. I don't care about your weight issues. I want New York to be glamourous, and fearsomely so. Cintra gave her opinion on the mediocre goods she saw, it should be her right in a city teeming with young designers to look askance at a suburban department store setting up in town. And the Times should not be apologizing for it, I think. Poor babies, subscribers in Cleveland were offended. Tough luck, deal with it.
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    Image of MisterHippity MisterHippity
    08/23/09

    @Baroness: I was wondering when Cintra defender would finally show up.

    Nicely done.
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    08/24/09

    @MisterHippity: Fuck, I do apologize I went on and on there. I picked a bad week to stop huffing glue!
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    08/24/09

    @MisterHippity: What is she doing with her lips? That eye shadow screams "Eastern European prostitute." She looks like a Wigstock contestant.
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    Image of Mizz Malaprop Mizz Malaprop
    08/23/09

    In reply to Fat-Hating, Midwesterner-Mocking New York Times Writer Taken to Task
    And I was so sure she got this at Penny's. Shame she didn't- could have used a trip to the makeup counter.
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    08/24/09

    @ScreenNamed: what did Vince Shlomi DO to that poor woman?
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    08/23/09

    In reply to Fat-Hating, Midwesterner-Mocking New York Times Writer Taken to Task
    I always wondered what happened to Cintra Wilson after the old Examiner went under. It turns out that she's still confusing bitchy with witty, but she's 10-15 years older now and it's no longer amusing.

    No, I didn't miss her at all. I was just curious, the way I am to hear that one of my former bosses is now sucking cocks in the Port Authority terminal.

    Memo Bill Keller: You'd like to think this is a teachable moment, and I'd like to think this is the last time that I'll ever hear about her. I see a way we can each get our wishes.
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    08/23/09

    In reply to Fat-Hating, Midwesterner-Mocking New York Times Writer Taken to Task
    I wouldn’t say I’ve been a fan of Cintra Wilson’s work, but it always seemed cheeky and wry and cool to a point.

    Then a few months back she did some horrendous "guilty pleasures" schtick on WNYC where folks talked about their "guiltly music pleasures" and such nonsense.

    It was asinine and highly condescending and listening to Cintra Wilson praise-tear-apart-and-praise music based on a benchmark that only a 15-year-old goth girl hanging out in a school yard can justify made me decide to screw WNYC and not renew my "contribution" to that place.

    She’s really just a indie-snotbag who can’t be edited down because her whole hook is being a caricature of NYC elitism.

    I hate her because NYC is not that closed minded. You need dippy ex-pat midwesterners like her to affect that sad pose.
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    08/23/09

    @SpyMagician: It's worse. She's from Marin County.
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    08/23/09

    @MissNormaDesmond: My apologies to Marin County and the State of California.
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    08/23/09

    @SpyMagician: I should have thought you'd be apologizing to the Midwest, and giving your condolences to California.
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    08/23/09

    @MissNormaDesmond: Apologies, condolences, to everyone who should get either.

    None for Ms. Wilson.
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    08/24/09

    @SpyMagician: We concur.
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    08/23/09

    In reply to Fat-Hating, Midwesterner-Mocking New York Times Writer Taken to Task
    Ouch. You know Cloris Leachman was gorgeous in "Kiss Me Deadly", and kind of cute on "The Mary Tyler Moore Show". Cinny ? She is more like Phylis Diller, without the humour. Always has been.
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    08/23/09

    @scarcat: Big ups for the Kiss Me Deadly ref.!
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