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    Image of Tattertotter Tattertotter
    12/03/09

    In reply to New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage
    Wow, instant superstar. I haven't been very vocal about gay marriage because I figure it's inevitable and will absolutely happen in the near future. For some strange reason, I feel like it's not my issue.

    AIDS was my issue and it nearly killed me--not the virus itself thankfully, but literally fighting for access to new medicines, watching all the best people I knew die, and feeling so horribly guilty because I was spared. Not a day goes bye that I don't cry for the dead.

    Gay marriage seems so light-weight in comparison. My rational mind, of course, knows that that isn't true--it's absolutely vital and Americans are eventually gonna realize it's an irresistible force coming their way, like Gavin said "whether you like it or not!"

    I'm going to watch this clip again and then I'm gonna send this woman money for her re-election.
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    Image of mimigoliath mimigoliath
    12/03/09

    In reply to New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage
    Want my legal right to marry? It's on eBay!

    [cgi.ebay.com]
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    Image of psybab psybab
    12/03/09

    In reply to New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage
    I really do hope y'all are contacting your senators. Especially if you live in astoria and LIC, because there's no way that area doesn't overwhelmingly support gay marriage.
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    Image of Urbania Urbania
    12/03/09

    @psybab: Onorato's term is his last. I promise you we will unseat him.
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    12/03/09

    @Urbania: Onorato is the one we should be gunning for, I think. He shouldn't survive a primary. The guy's been there since Astoria was really old school Greek, and I understand that, but his time is up.
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    Image of bodegacat bodegacat
    12/03/09

    In reply to New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage
    Things like this make me wonder what more I could be doing...
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    Image of Lucky Lucky
    12/02/09

    In reply to New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage
    I don't know what's worse – having gay marriage voted down by a large number of bigoted assholes, as it was here in CA, or by a small number of bigoted assholes, as happened today. It's hard to believe there still has to be an argument about whether or not people deserve equal protection under the law.
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    Image of TroisFilles TroisFilles
    12/02/09

    In reply to New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage
    I'm so sorry for my gay friends. My gay colleagues. My gay brother. My gay brother in law - (17 years is a marriage in my book.) Hoping they become 1st class citizens soon. These votes are disheartening.
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    Image of bleublau bleublau
    12/02/09

    @TroisFilles: You should also feel sorry for your straight self. You live in a society that continues to flagrantly disregard the long-established concept of separation of church and state.

    ...in the 21st century.
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    12/03/09

    @bleublau: Well said! Leave it to bible thumping flag waving ignorant morons to completely disregard the fact that the founders of this country they claim to love and know so much about were all about separation of church and state. This was never intended to be a christian nation and surely no laws or rulings should be based upon anyone's religious beliefs, christian or otherwise. I'm disgusted and disappointed.
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    Image of TroisFilles TroisFilles
    12/03/09

    @bleublau: That's a good point - I wasn't thinking of it that way - and I have been railing against the Church/State hypocrisy for a while now. Catholic Churches are promoting votes against gay marriage and using funds for campaigns and then calling on Separation to keep their financial records private. I think ALL Churches should lose their tax exempt status until they can prove they are truly separate.

    Peace.

    TF
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    Image of Six and a Quarter Six and a Quarter
    12/02/09

    In reply to New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage
    Jerks. Even Alex P. Keaton's mom is gay.
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    Image of Sauvignon Blancalot Sauvignon Blancalot
    12/02/09

    In reply to New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage
    Telephone numbers of NYC Democrats who voted NO on Marriage Equality: Joseph Addabbo (D) (518) 455-2322; Darrel Aubertine (D) (518) 455-2761; Ruben Diaz (D) (518) 455-2511; Shirley Huntley (D) (518) 455-3531; Carl Kruger (D) (518) 455-2460; Hiram Monserrate (D) (518) 455-2529; George Onorato (D) (518) 455-3486; William Stachowski (D) (518)-455-2426.
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    Image of Urbania Urbania
    12/03/09

    @Sauvignon Blancalot: Forget that. Raise money and get them out of office. Onorato refused to even meet with gay groups.
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    Image of WhiteMan'sBourbon WhiteMan'sBourbon
    12/02/09

    In reply to New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage
    I say, if straight people (and I am one, for which I am embarrassed today, and not for the first time) are the only ones who are going to be allowed into the "institution" of marriage (whatever that means), then they should be forced to take on the responsibility of maintaining it, whether they want to or not. From here on in, anyone who gets divorced forfeits the right to ever remarry. Or, alternately, every time a straight couple gets divorced, one gay couple is allowed to marry. There'll be waiting lists, like kidney transplants.

    And yes, I realize these are absurd and unworkable proposals. As absurd and, ultimately, unworkable as the NY State Senate's bigoted, cowardly and pandering decision today. As absurd as Hiram Monseratte being an arbiter of other people's sexual morality.
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    Image of bodegacat bodegacat
    12/02/09

    In reply to New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage
    Thomas Jefferson, Declaration of Independence, July 4, 1776:
    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

    Frederick Douglass, Rochester, New York, July 5, 1852:
    Fellow citizens, pardon me, allow me to ask, why am I called upon to speak here today? What have I, or those I represent, to do with your national independence? Are the great principles of political freedom and of natural justice, embodied in that Declaration of Independence, extended to us?…
    I say it with a sad sense of the disparity between us. I am not included within the pale of this glorious anniversary! … The rich inheritance of justice, liberty, prosperity and independence, bequeathed by your fathers, is shared by you, not by me… This Fourth of July is yours, not mine…
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    Image of Six and a Quarter Six and a Quarter
    12/02/09

    @bodegacat: Not to get all soap-boxy, but there have been too many times throughout history when actions that should be axiomatically permitted and rights that should intuitively exist are denied. If interracial marriage is still being challenged in some parts of this country (thank you The South), how fucked is the gay marriage cause.

    When our government restricts the economic liberties of businesses it is the act of fascists, but when it prevents someone from doing what is essentially for humans the next step up from eating and breathing, then it is somehow preserving the American way of life? Up is down and down is up, and once again the world makes a little less sense.
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    bodegacat promoted this comment Edited by Six and a Quarter at 12/02/09 9:48 PM Six and a Quarter was starred Six and a Quarter was unstarred
    Image of bodegacat bodegacat
    12/02/09

    @Six and a Quarter: I'm not sure I catch your drift, or that you caught mine. I thought it was pretty obvious from those quotes that I find this vote abhorrent and archaic, denying basic human rights, but everything I thought to write seemed trite in comparison. Hence turning to someone like Frederick Douglass.
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    Image of Six and a Quarter Six and a Quarter
    12/03/09

    @bodegacat: Sorry for the clumsy ineptitude in explaining myself. Comes from being really irate, really hungry and really tired at the same time. I was agreeing with you and adding my own endorsement- hence the soap box language. Hoped that was clear in my post, but apparently not.
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    Edited by Six and a Quarter at 12/03/09 12:20 AM Six and a Quarter was starred Six and a Quarter was unstarred
    Image of bodegacat bodegacat
    12/03/09

    @Six and a Quarter: hey, my clumsy ineptitude can beat yours any day of the week. I was tired and irate too, which no doubt contributed to my non-capisce-iness. Our agreement leads me to the one encouraging thing in all this, besides Diane Savino: to see the increasing outrage over these votes as their archaic & cruel nature becomes glaringly obvious to more people.
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    Edited by bodegacat at 12/03/09 3:27 AM bodegacat was starred bodegacat was unstarred
    Image of Six and a Quarter Six and a Quarter
    12/03/09

    @bodegacat: Cheers to that! Maybe one day all of our mutual irateness will lead to positive changes in the status quo.
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    Edited by Six and a Quarter at 12/03/09 5:08 AM Six and a Quarter was starred Six and a Quarter was unstarred
    Image of Bindlestiffy Bindlestiffy
    12/03/09

    @bodegacat: Gay /= Oppressed Former Slave
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    Image of bodegacat bodegacat
    12/03/09

    @Bindlestiffy: ya think? You have me confused with someone who needs that reminder. I was quoting someone I admire who knew something about the subject at hand. I wasn't trying to establish a hierarchical scale of suffering. I'll leave that to you.
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    Image of BowlingForDollars BowlingForDollars
    12/02/09

    In reply to New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage
    I'm telling you, if there was a "Day Without a Gay" movement, bitches across the country would be rethinking gay marriage.

    So many industries would grind to a halt.
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    Image of skt.smth skt.smth
    12/03/09

    @BowlingForDollars: Hair salons would have to go to the bench, that's for sure.
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    Image of dumanue dumanue
    12/02/09

    In reply to New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage
    I'm straight and I say, screw you, you freaking moralist freaks, religious zealots and fanatics who try to trample mine and others freedom of choice and freedom of speech, get your goddamn religion and stupid morals out of my politics...

    Arthur C. Clark was right "One of the great tragedies of mankind is that morality has been hijacked by religion."
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    Image of manchops manchops
    12/02/09

    In reply to New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage
    MARRIAGE EQUALITY RALLY IN TIMES SQUARE AT 6 PM AT THE TKTS STEPS.
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    12/02/09

    In reply to New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage
    Hiram Monserrate's district office : (718) 205-3881 and Albany office: (518) 455-2529
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    Image of Bindlestiffy Bindlestiffy
    12/03/09

    @manchops: No home phone?
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    Image of manchops manchops
    12/03/09

    @Bindlestiffy: No way, we wouldn't want to do that and interfere with his rights to privacy. you know like the privacy of loving whoever you want, right?
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    Image of Yahweh Took My Prepuce Yahweh Took My Prepuce
    12/02/09

    In reply to New York State Senate Votes Down Gay Marriage
    I am (and we are) continually impeded by the social prescriptions of these adherents to ass-headed, imperfect, poorly-understood bibliolatry; a set of practices that are on no level inconsistent or distinct from total, unabashed bigotry and pre-(or anti-)Enlightenment, head-in-the-ass superstition and stupidity.

    God damn.
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