PETA does stupid stunts like this I believe to make themselves look ineffectual and ridiculous while they pour the considerable monies that celebrities donate to them into legislation aimed at eliminating pet ownership. Laws that they have helped sponsor are chipping away at our ability to breed pets, show pets including those involved in performance activities and ultimately to even own them.
Adoption is good. Adoption is GREAT. Rescue is good. Rescue is GREAT. But animals in shelters come from irresponsible breeding and breeding for profit to fit trends such as so-called designer breeds, not from responsible breeders who maintain and advance lines of breeds from antiquity to modern times. Pure bred dogs do have genetic problems, but those problems are also widespread in the mixed breed population. Responsible breeders through breed organizations sponsor and participate in genetic studies to determine how to reduce or eliminate these genetic flaws in their stock.
PETA and HSUS don't. Because it doesn't fit their goals of no pets for anyone eventually.
I'll bet this guy is totally fine with the immense crucifixes on the walls of the offices of all the priests who are getting blow jobs from their altar boys.
@VoxPopuli: It's quite all right. Hell of a long day at the office, and I just read the comment and took it so seriously. Then pointed it out to a coworker, who turned around and pointed out I'm an idiot, heheh
I've always thought it was really weird that pets don't notice nudity.
Like, if I didn't understand how clothing is manufactured, etc., I would be really freaked out by someone suddenly having different colored/textured skin...
@CroutonShield: Well, wouldn't domestic animals be socialized to expect the constant changing skins of their owners? But maybe I'm being too athropomorphic... :p
@tehcutie: There's a new book, written by a Columbia professor, called Inside of a Dog (yes, it uses the Groucho Marx quotation as an epigraph) that elaborates on some of the differences in dog and human worldviews. I don't remember if she mentions that explicitly, but that might give you a sense of at least canine criteria.
@Lysergic Asset: Okay, anthropomorphism is the sub-topic?
One LOL (use to be `little old ladies') is lamenting to another such her Sheena is pregnant again. "And we never ever let her out of the house, and we watch her constantly when she cycles in, and here she is, kittens due any day now..."
And then an obviously adequate tom saunters into the room from the kitchen, and the visitor says, "Well, that may be a suspect."
And the LOL scoffs. "Oh, don't be silly; that's her brother!"
@rmric0.wedding.photographer.and.manny: My cat is terribly judgmental, especially when me and my ladyfriend are getting all personal. Then the cat is like 'get off the goddamned bed if you two are gonna do that'!
Oh man, these all-or-nothing attitudes that require perfection from vegans and vegetarians are nothing but justifications for other people because they don't want to change any of their own ways. No one is perfect, and requiring everyone to either go one way (carnivore, fur-wearing, puppy-stomping) or the other (vegan, non-sitter on leather couch, non-pet owner, etc) just perpetuates lifestyles of extremism that belittle any kind of moderation of our lifestyles. Vegans and vegetarians aren't perfect, and requiring them to be just means you are afraid of any change of your lifestyle, however small. Because if it isn`t all-or-nothing then you might have to give up that extra serving of factory farmed beef you had at lunch today. That goes for both meat-eaters and vegans alike.
Sorry if this was offensive, but I can`t say that I wasn't offended by most of the comments below.
@Fry_Bread_Power: Then why do some of them flip out so much over a relatively obscure book, newspaper article or tv commercial? i don't think that vegans are necessarily "mostly right." It's a complicated issue. But if anything convinces me that maybe vegans and vegetarians have point is how flipped-out some people on the other side of the issue get over these things in a "fuck you! I'm going to eat baby bunnies now just cuz!" kind of way.
@Atilla the Bun: But like you said, those are some people, not all and not even most. And one can't really argue that vegans/vegetarians have a point based on some other people's over-reaction. Would you also agree that Tea-baggers have a point because look how flipped-out some people on the other side of the issue get whenever there is something about them in the news? Please.
There are several reasons why the meat industry is still a billion-dollar industry even though groups like PETA and those who promote vegan/vegetarian lifestyles raise awareness on how meat is processed on a corporate scale. One reason is people who like eating meat...like eating meat. And no amount of PETA commercials will change that.
Ugh, there are few things I hate as much as PETA. You *can't* call killing an animal murder. Murder is an action that not only describes the death of a human being at the hands of another, but also carries the connotation of the violation of one of the basic tenants of the social contract: when a society tolerates violent action it endangers the rule of law and consequently its whole existence. If you were to extend the definition of murder to cover animals, well I suppose we better get those chimpanzees through law school so they can start prosecuting all those rampant, unsolved murders that occur daily in the natural world. That's an idea I hope Jerry Bruckheimer never gets a hold of, because I could not stomach a Monkey CSI.
Really, the dumbest thing about PETA's argument is that it implies that if it weren't for humans, the noble inhabitants of the animal kingdom would live in a peace that only exists in Disney movies. In order to have harmonious ecosystems, a whole lot of killing has to happen. Otherwise, populations grow out of control and deplete resources until they leave the land barren (see the Nile Perch in Lake Victoria, Deers in National Parks with non-existent wolf populations, etc.)
The most reasonable argument for vegetarianism I've heard is that the meat industry consumes an exorbitant amount of resources and leaves a tremendous carbon footprint, endangering the survival of life in our planet. Now, that's something I can get behind.
(Also, I do not intend to discredit people's personal attachment to animals and their particular refusal to inflict unnecessary cruelty on other living beings. However, while you should be free to raise awareness of what goes on behind producing a leather garment, you have no right to attack or vilify those who do not share your stance towards animal cruelty.)
How many animals had to die to build the computer he surely composed his op-ed on? Two? Eleven? Twenty-three million? Is typewriter ink squeezed from baby squids? Are bacterium rended to pieces if you write with your own shit on the walls of Boston Market? Being a vegan must be complicated.
"And thank you for reminding us, oh Lord, that on this most blessed of Thursdays we celebrate the triumphant arrival of the Donner Party at bountiful Plymouth Rock."
"We gather together
for yams, beans, and cranberry sauce.
But have you given much thought lately
to the Turkey Holocaust?
Twenty million noble birds
slaughtered every fall.
Ain’t no difference between Hitler, Stalin
and the folks at Butterball!
Butterba-a-a-a-ll!!
So set your tables, America
from Birmingham to Branson.
But when you carve that turkey
you’re a finger-licking Charlie Manson.
Enjoy your pumpkin pie
your buttery Idaho spud.
Grandma’s chestnut stuffing
and a turkey basted in blood!
Basted in blood! Basted in blood!
Basted in blood! Basted in blood!
Basted in blood! Basted in blood!
Basted in blood! Basted in blood!"
- Sarah McLachlan & Ana Gasteyer, SNL
My favorite part of the op-ed was when he noted that your precious free-range turkey has absolutely nothing to be thankful for. So think about THAT, you cold, selfish motherfuckers.
12/05/09
Adoption is good. Adoption is GREAT. Rescue is good. Rescue is GREAT. But animals in shelters come from irresponsible breeding and breeding for profit to fit trends such as so-called designer breeds, not from responsible breeders who maintain and advance lines of breeds from antiquity to modern times. Pure bred dogs do have genetic problems, but those problems are also widespread in the mixed breed population. Responsible breeders through breed organizations sponsor and participate in genetic studies to determine how to reduce or eliminate these genetic flaws in their stock.
PETA and HSUS don't. Because it doesn't fit their goals of no pets for anyone eventually.
End of usual anti-PETA, anti-HSUS rant.
12/04/09
Or, better Krupa for PETA than Krepa for PUTA.
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It's early, what can I say...
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I'm going to have to do a really good deed now to straighten out my karma.
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Like, if I didn't understand how clothing is manufactured, etc., I would be really freaked out by someone suddenly having different colored/textured skin...
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One LOL (use to be `little old ladies') is lamenting to another such her Sheena is pregnant again. "And we never ever let her out of the house, and we watch her constantly when she cycles in, and here she is, kittens due any day now..."
And then an obviously adequate tom saunters into the room from the kitchen, and the visitor says, "Well, that may be a suspect."
And the LOL scoffs. "Oh, don't be silly; that's her brother!"
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Sorry if this was offensive, but I can`t say that I wasn't offended by most of the comments below.
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There are several reasons why the meat industry is still a billion-dollar industry even though groups like PETA and those who promote vegan/vegetarian lifestyles raise awareness on how meat is processed on a corporate scale. One reason is people who like eating meat...like eating meat. And no amount of PETA commercials will change that.
11/23/09
Really, the dumbest thing about PETA's argument is that it implies that if it weren't for humans, the noble inhabitants of the animal kingdom would live in a peace that only exists in Disney movies. In order to have harmonious ecosystems, a whole lot of killing has to happen. Otherwise, populations grow out of control and deplete resources until they leave the land barren (see the Nile Perch in Lake Victoria, Deers in National Parks with non-existent wolf populations, etc.)
The most reasonable argument for vegetarianism I've heard is that the meat industry consumes an exorbitant amount of resources and leaves a tremendous carbon footprint, endangering the survival of life in our planet. Now, that's something I can get behind.
(Also, I do not intend to discredit people's personal attachment to animals and their particular refusal to inflict unnecessary cruelty on other living beings. However, while you should be free to raise awareness of what goes on behind producing a leather garment, you have no right to attack or vilify those who do not share your stance towards animal cruelty.)
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for yams, beans, and cranberry sauce.
But have you given much thought lately
to the Turkey Holocaust?
Twenty million noble birds
slaughtered every fall.
Ain’t no difference between Hitler, Stalin
and the folks at Butterball!
Butterba-a-a-a-ll!!
So set your tables, America
from Birmingham to Branson.
But when you carve that turkey
you’re a finger-licking Charlie Manson.
Enjoy your pumpkin pie
your buttery Idaho spud.
Grandma’s chestnut stuffing
and a turkey basted in blood!
Basted in blood! Basted in blood!
Basted in blood! Basted in blood!
Basted in blood! Basted in blood!
Basted in blood! Basted in blood!"
- Sarah McLachlan & Ana Gasteyer, SNL
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