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Moff
09/06/09

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Jesus tap-dancing Christ, who let all the dipshits into the comments? Kaila, you are missed now more than ever...
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pacific_reporter
09/04/09

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Yeah, and David Duke was an avowed racist and KKK member in the 80s who then joined the system by going into politics in the 90s. He won some elections and convinced a bunch of non-racist people he wasn't racist, so he was pretty much definitely okay. And then maybe he made some stupid comments after then that made people think maybe he was ridiculous and still racist and had no place in government, but we should look past those. The "why" for why the liberals went after him is simple: he is a genuine right-wing conservative running for Governor. He is a young white male. He used to be radical, and probably still has radical sympathies (you know, caring about ending affirmative action and all that). He is, in other words, fucking terrifying, if you frame his story right. And then a bunch of liberal "drive by media" types started digging up a bunch of crap on him to try to villify him. Wow, right? And, yes, these were not secrets—his past had always been out in the open. But then there we were with people with bumper stickers saying "Vote for the crook -- it's important."

Yeah, that defense makes no more sense than yours of Van Jones, Pareene. So stop it. You're embarrassing yourself.
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Shawn Wasson
09/04/09

@pacific_reporter: TAKEDOWN.
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Balsa Wood
09/05/09

@pacific_reporter: So. Van Jones = David Duke. Being a former Marxist = being a former member of the KKK.

Or were you making a better point than that?
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Astroblack
09/05/09

@pacific_reporter: When we end up in a situation where thousands of white people's murders go unsolved, and the police forces are all black and many of them are avowed members of the Black Panther party, and its illegal for a white person to even testify against a black person in court, and we have this scenario in place for about 100 years, then you can make this equation with the KKK. Until then...
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If_I_Had_a_Poodle
09/04/09

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green jobs. green technology. good for people. good for the planet.
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jasonelias
09/04/09

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Van seems like a nice, intelligent guy. People like Glenn Beck and Michelle Malkin need a black man to whine about. Slap on silly scenarios on him and that will give them the high they need. Soon it will be another one, then another...
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Shawn Wasson
09/04/09

@jasonelias: Yes.

ANYONE who disagrees with anything for the next 3 (7, maybe!) years is a racist.

Why even debate it?
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lil red
09/04/09

@Shawn Wasson: and you get paid for that snark? ack!
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Balsa Wood
09/05/09

@lil red: TAKEDOWN.
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Aatom
09/04/09

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Again proving why you're the main reason I come here anymore, Pareene.
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abettertomorrow
09/04/09

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Well, politics is at least a little about competence. This guy signed a 9/11 conspiracy petition in 2004, well past his "early 90's marxist period". The administration handed their opponents a big, fat, gift-wrapped hammer. That's a huge failure of vetting, message management, etc.

This guy, four years ago, signed his name to a document accusing the US government of killing thousands of US citizens as a pretext for going to war. Regardless of your opinion of the action, you have to realize that will raise concerns...
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Sev
09/04/09

@abettertomorrow: Then he should fit right in with the Birthers! And harmony is once again acheived in the good old US of A.
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Magister
09/04/09

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Good post, Pareene.And before all of those pink people start to defend Beck (by asking questions), there's a guy with the Examiner, who seems to be doing a good job of refuting Beck with the context of Van Jones' quotes.
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unfuckwithable
09/04/09

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I demand to see Van Jones' birth certificate.
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crooked_teeth
09/04/09

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Christ, Pareene does a better job of defending this guy than anyone at the white house.

This is a good deal of webpage devoted to Mr. Van Jones. Probably more than he deserves. (And I love how Pareene colors this bio as if he and Van Jones are old pals).

He's still gonna' get fired. The more interesting story is can someone get the boot when no one else outside of Faux is covering it?

Magically one day Charlie Gibson will announce: Some guy named Van Jones stepped down today as Green Jobs Czar. Up next: More on the Michael Jackson funeral...
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Little Green Frog (Wise Latina)
09/04/09

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Here is the thing on that whole 9/11 issue:

"..the petition that was circulated today, I do not agree with this statement and it certainly does not reflect my views now or ever."
But he agreed to have his name added. That is a fact.

"An administration source said Jones says he did not carefully review the language in the petition before agreeing to add his name. "
Worst excuse ever.

He is a Yale law graduate. Don't they teach them to read the full contract before they sign?

He may not be a radical anymore, but he and the WH should have know better than to bring up someone with this baggage and what seems to be a loose tongue. It just gives the radical right more ammunition and quotes. Isn't Biden keeping Gibbs busy enough?
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Richard Petty Bourgeoisie
09/04/09

@Little Green Frog (Wise Latina): Indeed. Sure, he might not be a radical anymore, but it doesn't really take a well-oiled smear machine to label someone a 1990s Marxist who is a self-identified 1990s Marxist. Glenn Beck spent a week on this guy only because it was so fucking easy.
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Botswana Meat Commission FC
09/04/09

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Van Jones has served up some ridiculous-sounding quotes, though. the whole "asshole" thing was just a stupid and witless moment.

Of course, he's probably spoken in front of thousands of audiences over the years, so his enemies will always be able to find ammunition.
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Pareene
09/04/09

@Botswana Meat Commission FC: I dunno, the Asshole comment sounded reasonable to me! I mean it's just a snappier way of putting the ancient "Republicans play hardball and Dems don't" argument.
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Botswana Meat Commission FC
09/04/09

@Pareene: To me it just sounded clunky... like he didn't have a more witty answer, so he just blurted out a crowd-pleaser.

Not that he's wrong...
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Shawn Wasson
09/04/09

@Botswana Meat Commission FC: The asshole comment was nothing... he faced no real troubles until this 9/11 stuff popped up... now, there's a problem.

If the administration fires him, it looks like they're taking a hit from Beck... and, in turn, they may lend credence to his other crazy ramblings. But if they don't fire Van Jones, they look like they're coddling yet another radical and the outrage over 'birthers' seems a bit silly...

What to do...
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Botswana Meat Commission FC
09/04/09

@Shawn Wasson:
Oh it's easy. Let him stay and wait for the nutjobs to latch on to the next cause du jour.
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RheaPollstry
09/04/09

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World Net Daily and Free Republic are scary, scary places.
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onebadclam
09/04/09

@RheaPollstry:
You should take a tour of FoxNation.com sometime.
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Swifter
09/04/09

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Marxist, schmarxist. Obama is just another politician who makes scores of promises he can't possibly keep, spends money like a drunken sailor on lost causes like the auto industry, and is as big a failure as all the rest. Same story, different lead actor. Nothing to see here, move along.
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onebadclam
09/04/09

@Swifter: If that were the line of the hyper-conservatives I could at least respect their opinion. Unfortunately, they are talking tyranny and feeding the tree of liberty,
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MissNormaDesmond
09/04/09

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Bravo.
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MrInBetween
09/04/09

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Pareene, this is a lights-out, fantastic post. There are many gems here, but this one is my favorite: "He is the sort of person we were all praying Obama would bring with him to DC, instead of Larry Summers."

Bravo.
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Botswana Meat Commission FC
09/04/09

@MrInBetween:
agreed.
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