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    Image of Owen Thomas Owen Thomas
    12/08/09

    In reply to Tradition of Reporters Sleeping with Sources Still Alive and Well at the New York Times
    "You may have heard, for instance, that every member of Congress will be up for re-election in a year." Funny, no, I've never heard that. That may be because senators, whilst members of Congress like the House of Representatives, are not elected once every two years.
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    Image of John Cook John Cook
    12/08/09

    @Owen Thomas: Pedant!
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    Image of miss_msry miss_msry
    12/08/09

    In reply to Tradition of Reporters Sleeping with Sources Still Alive and Well at the New York Times
    This sleeping with a source is directly related to sleeping with the person hiring you for said journalism job. Worked for me.
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    Image of raincoaster raincoaster
    12/08/09

    In reply to Tradition of Reporters Sleeping with Sources Still Alive and Well at the New York Times
    Thats' a GREATLY abbreviated list of Judith Miller's "conquests."
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    Image of rmric0.wedding.photographer.and.manny rmric0.wedding.photographer.and.manny
    12/08/09

    In reply to Tradition of Reporters Sleeping with Sources Still Alive and Well at the New York Times
    Isn't this a problem with most of the reporting going on inside of the beltway, you trade chuminess for access. Hopefully at the end of the day you get the dirt and can air it out, but I feel that more often than not they're just sitting on a lot of stories so as not to burn bridges. YOu end up fucking them because you never really meet anyone else (except other reporters, and you've already fucked them).

    Then again I might just be extrapolating from my own experience, however unrelated it might have been.
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    Image of i'm a bottle i'm a bottle
    12/08/09

    @rmric0.wedding.photographer.and.manny: Nail on the head. And, to raincoaster's comment directly above, which is related to what you're saying: Can anyone here really say that what Judith Miller was up to wasn't common knowledge?
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    Image of Smitros Smitros
    12/08/09

    In reply to Tradition of Reporters Sleeping with Sources Still Alive and Well at the New York Times
    What have the elephants done to deserve this comparison?
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    Image of Richard Petty Bourgeoisie Richard Petty Bourgeoisie
    12/08/09

    In reply to Tradition of Reporters Sleeping with Sources Still Alive and Well at the New York Times
    You forgot the impending Hamilton Nolan - Neal Boulton bombshell.
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    Image of TheBusinessGuy TheBusinessGuy
    12/08/09

    In reply to Tradition of Reporters Sleeping with Sources Still Alive and Well at the New York Times
    The whole idea of journalists being friends and breaking bread and quaffing drinks with the politicians they cover is disturbing; romantic involvement is just the worst extreme. I for one don't like it when Brian Williams is invited to state dinners or when a Ben Bradlee pals around with a JFK. I'm not saying journalists vote, but I do think that when it comes to socializing on any level, they need to take a vow of politico-socio celibacy.
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    Image of NewsBunny NewsBunny
    12/08/09

    @TheBusinessGuy: I agree. I don't participate in these political shindigs. I don't list my political affiliation on sites like Facebook, nor do I post political rants there. I won't even register with a party -- my status is 'unenrolled'. I don't donate to political parties. I don't volunteer for candidates.

    It's an old-fashioned way of doing things. I'm 36; I'm the last generation of broadcasters (radio, specifically) that actually came up in staffed newsrooms; were taught the craft; who covered various city halls; who learned the value of building trust with sources, gathering numbers, and nagging everyone from secretaries to Mayors for tips. Doing that required keeping your opinions out of shit as much as possible, in every way.

    Excuse me while I tell those kids to get off my fucking lawn.
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    Image of TheBusinessGuy TheBusinessGuy
    12/08/09

    @TheBusinessGuy: Correction: make that "I'm not saying journalists shouldn't vote..."
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    Image of TheBusinessGuy TheBusinessGuy
    12/08/09

    @NewsBunny: I agree with almost all of what you say, but I don't think newspeople have to keep their opinions strictly confidential, as long as the opinions and analyses are clearly labeled. Actually, if someone has extensive experience covering a beat, I want to hear his take on the goings on: it's likely to be straighter talk than I will get from the politicians.
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    Image of NewsBunny NewsBunny
    12/08/09

    @TheBusinessGuy: That's all in the questions you ask. I have no problem asking a pol 'What the HELL were thinking?' -- as long as I go after Dems, Republicans, Independents, Jessie Venturians, The Cat-Lover's party, blah blah blah. I torture everyone equally.
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    Image of TheBusinessGuy TheBusinessGuy
    12/08/09

    @NewsBunny: And on radio, where we hear the screams and let our imaginations fill in the rest.
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    Image of NewsBunny NewsBunny
    12/08/09

    @TheBusinessGuy: Let's be clear: I never did a talk show. I'm an all-news radio bitch.
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    Image of TheBusinessGuy TheBusinessGuy
    12/08/09

    @NewsBunny: I will personally pay you a thousand dollars if you will so identify yourself on the air: This is So-and-So, the All News Radio Bitch, at the Federal Courthouse for Newsradio 88. That oughta make them forget about traffic and weather.
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    Image of NewsBunny NewsBunny
    12/09/09

    @TheBusinessGuy: That ain't me! ha ha!
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    Image of TheBusinessGuy TheBusinessGuy
    12/09/09

    @NewsBunny: Oh, that was just a random assignment and station for the sake of the joke. I have no idea who you are. But it's fun to guess.
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    Image of NewsBunny NewsBunny
    12/09/09

    @TheBusinessGuy: All News Radio Bitch would be an awesome handle, though.
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    Image of TheBusinessGuy TheBusinessGuy
    12/09/09

    @NewsBunny: Assuming you are in NY, now every time I listen to CBS or WINS, I will be forever wondering.
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    Image of NewsBunny NewsBunny
    12/10/09

    @TheBusinessGuy: With this new reply feature, we can just keep talking back and forth forever.

    Don't wonder. I'm no one important.
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    Image of TheBusinessGuy TheBusinessGuy
    12/10/09

    @NewsBunny: As the page views mount. Okay, I will officially stop wondering.
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    Image of Island of Misfit Toys Island of Misfit Toys
    11/02/09

    In reply to Jealous Google Lets Employees Flirt with Microsoft, But No Petting
    Keep your hands on the table at all times if you know what's good for you... #jonskeet
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    Image of BlinkyMcChuck BlinkyMcChuck
    08/28/09

    In reply to Wall Street Journal Unbelievably Keeping Mark Penn as Columnist
    The bigger crime in all of this is the introduction of the word "glamping", which sounds like a word for bad sex.
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    Image of BlinkyMcChuck BlinkyMcChuck
    08/28/09

    In reply to Wall Street Journal Unbelievably Keeping Mark Penn as Columnist
    This is the soft paternalism way of doing things of the GOP - "But he said he was going to take care of it!" - the same thinking behind deregulated markets.
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    Image of abettertomorrow abettertomorrow
    08/27/09

    In reply to Wall Street Journal Unbelievably Keeping Mark Penn as Columnist
    Well, what about Paul Krugman, who wrote all kinds of great things about Enron, then took $50k from them to be on a do-nothing board?

    What about the columnist who writes about topics that he thinks will earn him big speaking fees down the line?

    What about the columnist who writes about the same topic that her recently published book addresses?

    What about the reporter who writes about the topic that he knows his publisher has a personal deep interest in?

    Penn is what he his, so this is no defense - your complaint, however seems pretty, pretty vague...

    How, exactly, are "journalist" ethics any different than "concrete wholesaler" ethics?
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    Image of Max Power Max Power
    08/27/09

    @abettertomorrow: Yeah except like that fuckstick Penn, Krugman actually defended himself (quite successfully) many times about his connection. [www.pkarchive.org]
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    abettertomorrow promoted this comment Max Power was starred Max Power was unstarred
    Image of abettertomorrow abettertomorrow
    08/27/09

    @Max Power: Yeah, Krugman says - I was a columnist, not a a journalist, when I wrote for national publications while getting an Enron paycheck - and - I didn't disclose that I was paid, but people should have assumed-. I fail to see how this is in any way different from Mark Penn. At least Mark Penn isn't promoting companies he does PR for in his column. Here are the actual quotes from Krugman's response link:

    "I did write monthly columns for two magazines in 1999, but I would not have described myself as a journalist - no more so than, say, Laura Tyson, Robert Barro, or or Gary Becker, respected economists who write monthly columns for Business Week. I wrote a monthly column for Fortune; that column was neither a major commitment of time nor a major source of income. I also wrote a monthly column, for very little money, for Slate. My main sources of income were teaching, consulting, and business speaking.

    5. Did I disclose my connection? Yes. I reported it the one time I mentioned Enron in Fortune, almost three years ago. I reported it again the first time I mentioned Enron in the New York Times, in a highly critical article more than a year ago. I didn't say that I was paid to serve on the board, but I thought that was obvious: who volunteers his services to for-profit corporations? "
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    Image of abettertomorrow abettertomorrow
    08/27/09

    @abettertomorrow: here's the article Krugman wrote for Fortune:
    [web.archive.org]

    It's certainly ok to be wrong, and it makes it much more difficult to explain when you're taking $37,500 from the company you're so very, very wrong about.
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    Image of Mo MoDo Mo MoDo
    08/27/09

    In reply to Wall Street Journal Unbelievably Keeping Mark Penn as Columnist
    "Actually, we are giving him a raise because we admire that kind of entrepreneurial spirit here at WSJ. Perhaps we should ask for a finder's fee from future columns.
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    Image of MrInBetween MrInBetween
    08/27/09

    In reply to Wall Street Journal Unbelievably Keeping Mark Penn as Columnist
    This ludicrous WSJ quote also applies to the newspaper's view of the big investment banks' looting of the U.S. Treasury: ""Clearly what was done is not something that we liked. But we're pretty sure that it's going to stop."
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    Image of Aaron Altman Aaron Altman
    08/27/09

    In reply to Wall Street Journal Unbelievably Keeping Mark Penn as Columnist
    Hamilton - shouldn't there be a photo of the WSJ with a FAIL instead?
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    Image of Urbania Urbania
    08/27/09

    In reply to Wall Street Journal Unbelievably Keeping Mark Penn as Columnist
    I'm pretty sure there's nothing like cold, hard facts to back up journalism.
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