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    Image of Island of Misfit Toys Island of Misfit Toys
    11/02/09

    In reply to Jealous Google Lets Employees Flirt with Microsoft, But No Petting
    Keep your hands on the table at all times if you know what's good for you... #jonskeet
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    Image of BlinkyMcChuck BlinkyMcChuck
    08/28/09

    In reply to Wall Street Journal Unbelievably Keeping Mark Penn as Columnist
    The bigger crime in all of this is the introduction of the word "glamping", which sounds like a word for bad sex.
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    08/28/09

    In reply to Wall Street Journal Unbelievably Keeping Mark Penn as Columnist
    This is the soft paternalism way of doing things of the GOP - "But he said he was going to take care of it!" - the same thinking behind deregulated markets.
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    Image of abettertomorrow abettertomorrow
    08/27/09

    In reply to Wall Street Journal Unbelievably Keeping Mark Penn as Columnist
    Well, what about Paul Krugman, who wrote all kinds of great things about Enron, then took $50k from them to be on a do-nothing board?

    What about the columnist who writes about topics that he thinks will earn him big speaking fees down the line?

    What about the columnist who writes about the same topic that her recently published book addresses?

    What about the reporter who writes about the topic that he knows his publisher has a personal deep interest in?

    Penn is what he his, so this is no defense - your complaint, however seems pretty, pretty vague...

    How, exactly, are "journalist" ethics any different than "concrete wholesaler" ethics?
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    Edited by abettertomorrow at 08/27/09 5:57 PM abettertomorrow was starred abettertomorrow was unstarred
    Image of Max Power Max Power
    08/27/09

    @abettertomorrow: Yeah except like that fuckstick Penn, Krugman actually defended himself (quite successfully) many times about his connection. [www.pkarchive.org]
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    abettertomorrow promoted this comment Max Power was starred Max Power was unstarred
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    08/27/09

    @Max Power: Yeah, Krugman says - I was a columnist, not a a journalist, when I wrote for national publications while getting an Enron paycheck - and - I didn't disclose that I was paid, but people should have assumed-. I fail to see how this is in any way different from Mark Penn. At least Mark Penn isn't promoting companies he does PR for in his column. Here are the actual quotes from Krugman's response link:

    "I did write monthly columns for two magazines in 1999, but I would not have described myself as a journalist - no more so than, say, Laura Tyson, Robert Barro, or or Gary Becker, respected economists who write monthly columns for Business Week. I wrote a monthly column for Fortune; that column was neither a major commitment of time nor a major source of income. I also wrote a monthly column, for very little money, for Slate. My main sources of income were teaching, consulting, and business speaking.

    5. Did I disclose my connection? Yes. I reported it the one time I mentioned Enron in Fortune, almost three years ago. I reported it again the first time I mentioned Enron in the New York Times, in a highly critical article more than a year ago. I didn't say that I was paid to serve on the board, but I thought that was obvious: who volunteers his services to for-profit corporations? "
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    08/27/09

    @abettertomorrow: here's the article Krugman wrote for Fortune:
    [web.archive.org]

    It's certainly ok to be wrong, and it makes it much more difficult to explain when you're taking $37,500 from the company you're so very, very wrong about.
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    Image of Mo MoDo Mo MoDo
    08/27/09

    In reply to Wall Street Journal Unbelievably Keeping Mark Penn as Columnist
    "Actually, we are giving him a raise because we admire that kind of entrepreneurial spirit here at WSJ. Perhaps we should ask for a finder's fee from future columns.
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    Image of MrInBetween MrInBetween
    08/27/09

    In reply to Wall Street Journal Unbelievably Keeping Mark Penn as Columnist
    This ludicrous WSJ quote also applies to the newspaper's view of the big investment banks' looting of the U.S. Treasury: ""Clearly what was done is not something that we liked. But we're pretty sure that it's going to stop."
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    Image of Aaron Altman Aaron Altman
    08/27/09

    In reply to Wall Street Journal Unbelievably Keeping Mark Penn as Columnist
    Hamilton - shouldn't there be a photo of the WSJ with a FAIL instead?
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    Image of Urbania Urbania
    08/27/09

    In reply to Wall Street Journal Unbelievably Keeping Mark Penn as Columnist
    I'm pretty sure there's nothing like cold, hard facts to back up journalism.
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    Image of Trulymadlyme Trulymadlyme
    08/27/09

    In reply to Wall Street Journal Unbelievably Keeping Mark Penn as Columnist
    I wonder what our wunderkid Hunter thinks of this? Because I always find the "ethics" of journalism to be a laughable thing.
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    Image of GORDONGARTRELLE GORDONGARTRELLE
    08/27/09

    In reply to Wall Street Journal Unbelievably Keeping Mark Penn as Columnist
    "He does not have any glamping clients" is fantastic.
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    Image of Gabriel Snyder Gabriel Snyder
    08/27/09

    In reply to Wall Street Journal Unbelievably Keeping Mark Penn as Columnist
    What a proud day for the Wall Street Journal. I'm sure everyone in the newsroom is thrilled.
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    Image of Say that is cool Say that is cool
    08/27/09

    @Gabriel Snyder:

    Best quote? "Clearly what was done is not something that we liked. But we're pretty sure that it's going to stop."

    We'll as long as they're pretty sure about it, I'm satisfied.
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    Image of Aaron Altman Aaron Altman
    08/27/09

    @Gabriel Snyder: It's around lunchtime right now, so you'll probably get a few phone calls to your tipline from some of them, now untethered from their Dow Jones phones, OR perhaps anonymous emails from an Internet cafe nearby, with journalistic gripes. At least we hope so.
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    Edited by Aaron Altman at 08/27/09 1:16 PM Aaron Altman was starred Aaron Altman was unstarred
    Image of tailpipebananna tailpipebananna
    08/27/09

    In reply to Wall Street Journal Unbelievably Keeping Mark Penn as Columnist
    the sad part is that no one will care. Really. Thanks Hamilton for policing this stuff, but people don't care anymore.
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    Novaload Welcomes the Returning Jezuits ! promoted this comment tailpipebananna was starred tailpipebananna was unstarred
    Image of Novaload Novaload
    08/27/09

    @tailpipebananna: I care. And don't forget, Ben Stein lost his gig for being a shill. There's hope.
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    Image of SidAndFinancy SidAndFinancy
    08/27/09

    @tailpipebananna: Sad but true. I for one, though, will take a stand and cancel my subscription. By which I mean I'll stop leafing through my neighbor's copy while waiting for the elevator. As long as someone's Times or Post is nearby.
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    Image of daveyjonesisdead daveyjonesisdead
    08/27/09

    @tailpipebananna: I don't care. I wouldn't have expected anything less from Penn or most other op-ed/columnists with other gigs. This kind of behavior around news articles would be an issue, and also occurs, no doubt. Let's police that.
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    Image of deanornish deanornish
    08/12/09

    In reply to Huffington Post's New Medical Editor Already Promoting Clients
    I thought it might be helpful to set the record straight:
    It’s very easy to demonize food companies and anyone who consults with them, but I have been able to accomplish a lot of good in public health by working with these companies.
    For example, as chair of PepsiCo’s scientific advisory committee, one of the first things we advised PepsiCo to do eight years ago was to take the trans fats out of their foods at Frito-Lay, which they did at great expense. Several years ago, we were able to help facilitate a meeting with Steve Reinemund (then CEO of PepsiCo), President Clinton, and the American Heart Association which ultimately led to the decision for soft drink makers to voluntarily take out sweetened beverages from most school vending machines and to put healthier snacks there. We also advised them on developing healthier products, not marketing unhealthful foods to kids, improving food labeling, working to get physical education back in schools, and so on.
    Also, I was responsible for getting McDonald’s to take the trans fatty acids out of their French fries. I also played a major role in getting McDonald’s to make salads available on their menu and to stop advertising high-sugar and high-fat foods to kids. (I have not consulted with McDonald’s for the past two years.)
    Is this the solution to the obesity epidemic? Of course not--but even incremental changes on that scale (42 million customers/day) is worth doing.
    I don’t represent these food corporations; I consult with them to make and market healthier foods, and I’m proud of this work.
    At Safeway, I consulted with Steve Burd to incentivize wellness and to make it easier for employees to stay healthy—e.g., free mammograms, colonoscopies, healthier food in the cafeterias, easier access to exercise facilities, and so on. Yes, if you smoke then you pay higher premiums, but I think that’s the way it should be: freedom of choice and also personal responsibility for the consequences of those choices. Their approach is very different than most corporations, which often use the managed care approach to limit access to health care while raising premiums for everyone to cover the increasing costs. Safeway has a better approach, and I’m glad that the government is looking at their example of incentivizing wellness rather than illness.
    For more information about my work, please go to [www.huffingtonpost.com]
    Dean Ornish, M.D.
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    Image of scarletmenace scarletmenace
    08/10/09

    In reply to Huffington Post's New Medical Editor Already Promoting Clients
    In that photo Ariana Huffington looks like the Madame Tussaud Ariana Huffington. CReepy.
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    Image of Nice Beaver Nice Beaver
    08/10/09

    In reply to Huffington Post's New Medical Editor Already Promoting Clients
    Ya know what? If Dr. Dean takes money from BigCorp to finance his work urging people with heart problems to do yoga, eat better, meditate and exercise, he's a-okay with me. I think this fella has the balls to urge holistic approaches even though it will surely cost him big pharma money.
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    Image of ocpd301 ocpd301
    08/10/09

    @Nice Beaver: McDonald's and Mars are not big pharma. They are no better, but they are different.
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    Image of Novaload Novaload
    08/10/09

    @Nice Beaver: He won't miss it because he's shilling for MacDonalds, Pepsi and Mars--a doctor? Seriously? Hyping these?
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    Image of MissNormaDesmond MissNormaDesmond
    08/10/09

    @Nice Beaver: Did you read the part about where he's promoting a health plan that passes the costs of insuring people with chronic conditions on to them? Do you recognize that we're talking about people who may have hereditary or other conditions over which they have no control? The "incentivize" bullshit is distraction to cover up the slick legerdemain of abdicating responsibility for caring for sick people, who've paid their premiums like everyone else, but will now be penalized for the crime of actually needing the care they paid for.

    Increasingly there's a movement to blame all illness on lifestyle choices, and make pariahs out of sick people. My father drank and smoked heavily all his adult life, and outlived my mother, who quit doing both and died of leukimia. Health is not necessarily a reward of right living, and sickness is not necessarily a punishment for bad behavior.
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