@BookishLookish: Not to mention the incredible venality of trying to move a halfway house for ex-cons (or something in that order) into the district of a city councilman who had the audacity to disagree with him.
Seriously, a President Palin would TALK about banning books. President Rudy would actually DO IT.
@Mike Jahn: Right now, Palin's crew is busy running against her daughter's former pretend/intended and his family. One side sells meth, the other is into burglary, but that's not a full report. There's a media war convening around Tyra Banks, reportedly. The series is called Trailer Trash Trauma with Tyra, in case you'd care to tune in.
My business couldn't be better. But, you know, I'm an expert in 3D graphics and ARM11 assembler language, and scorn any entreaties to become involved in public policy.
It seems like everywhere you look, Republican business ventures are suffering. Ron Paul's tips from the pizza delivery are down over 36% this quarter and don't even get Mitt Romney started on the price of Brylcreem.
While Giuliani's campaign was a dismal failure, his tenure as Mayor of New York City wasn't. After watching the President run an absolutely fantastic campaign, essentially starting his job on November 5 and still having unfilled positions in his cabinet in March (not to mention appointing a tax cheat to what is currently the most crucial position in the cabinet), I would conclude that campaigning is not the Alpha and Omega of leadership. There is an actual job to do once you win.
I don't know what kind of President Rudy would have been, but I watched enough interviews to know that he at least understands the concept of fiscal responsibility and wouldn't have required a crash course in monetary policy.
@ChillbearLatrigue: I just don't understand the "glee" many people are expressing when a successful person or organization undergoes some business challenges. REAL people are losing jobs because of the economic downturn and finding it difficult to obtain new ones. So I simply don't get the 'cheerleading' for the demise of businesses of any sort, even if they are led by a former politician.
@momof3wildkids: I will type slowly so you can understand :).... I have no problem with businesses going under because of bad decisions or the market has moved in a different direction. I am all for a free market economy and think the bail outs are just extending our misery -- sort of like a bikini wax that takes an hour and a half vs. just a quick rip and your done. What I despise is people rooting for companies to go under because their owner or members of their Board do not have the same political leanings as them.
@ChillbearLatrigue: Thanks to Pope Rudy, if you want to sample the vitality, artistry, warmth, and overall positive vibe that once was New York you have to go to New Orleans.
@momof3wildkids: Because it was always a "fake" business. Seriously, what the fuck does Rudy know about terrorism, intelligence gathering, or whatever else Giuliani Partners was selling?
Yes, he was an ok mayor for a while, but he's certainly no Allen Dulles. It's the same stupid rationale about how being mayor on September 11th gave him expertise.
@Lord Humongous: Amen, brother with the wonderful screen name.
Further, I'll tell you what. The next time there's a huge catatrophe in New York I'll put on a police jacket and walk around for three days clapping people on the back and telling them what a great job they're going. Make me a hero. Make me a millionaire.
@bowel_and_the_obstructors: I love your logic here.... Rudy is an asshole (agreed) -- so hurray his business isn't doing well -- I'm so glad that 30 people are no longer employed. WTF? If all the businesses run by assholes went under, there would be no newspapers, few pharmaceutical companies, no health care to speak of and the place that does my manicure would be gone too.
BTW, how the hell do you know his biz is "fake?" Say what you will about Rudy, but few people have ever experienced what he has, truly being on the front lines of a disaster recovery of that magnitude. I do believe that gives him a bit of an edge over some other consultants. Not a lot of terrorism going on US soil right now. Business is slow.
@ChillbearLatrigue: Prominent among Pope Rudy's fiscal policies is to withold funding for places that disagree with him. And for tht matter, to refuse to talk AT ALL to those who disagree with him. I can just imagine him at the Group of 20 meeting.
@Lord Humongous: I remember New York before he was the mayor. Who hated him? Criminals? I would point out that the most hated man in NYC was elected to two terms by the people of NYC before September 11.
@Mike Jahn: It was a little hard for any of us to enjoy the soul of New York because we were doing wind sprints from our cabs or trains to the hotel or apartment in which we would lock ourselves with multiple dead bolts. Are you also mad at those Clinton bastards for ruining Harlem?
New Orleans? Are you fucking kidding me? I've lived there. Lot's of artistry. Zero positive vibe. Tons of poverty, unemployment, corruption and crime. If you were going to pick any city in the Continental US to try to make your point, New Orleans falls somewhere between Camden and Detroit.
@momof3wildkids: You were perfectly understandable. Listen, idiots, Las Vegas is suffering right now too. Is that because all of the casinos are run by incompetent boobs? Not every enterprise that fails is because it is run like GM or AIG. As long as this crisis has been going on you would think that people would educate themselves a little bit about businesses and economics.
@Mike Jahn: Mike, you're right. As much as I disagree with the two of you, "Lord Humongous" is a totally kick ass screen name. Sometimes you have to step back and appreciate the beauty of the little things, or in this case, the humongous things.
@Lord Humongous: Right. He was photographed with a megaphone, which he had to use because he had failed to see to it emergency personnel could talk to one another in a crisis. He had stationed that emergency response hq close to where he was posing for photos. In America, the photo is all.
He didn't even bring the crime rate down. That started under Dinkins. He played the typical race baiting Repugnant card that the previous mayor was only looking out for his own, i.e., only protecting Harlem citizens somehow.
He was an utter and complete fraud. He's still talked of because of the power of celebrity, which seems to run longer the least substance there is behind it. He is Jessica Simpson, no less, certainly no more.
@momof3wildkids: Say what you will about Rudy, but few people have ever experienced what he has, truly being on the front lines of a disaster recovery of that magnitude.
There were a million or so on the scene at the time, and most of them willing to walk through rubble for stardom, had they been asked. Plus, they didn't make any decisions which worsened the catastrophe, such as failing to see the response personnel in one tower could communicate with the other, plus seeing the headquarters of emergency planning was not in the most likely strike vicinity.
So you have millions literally who were higher up the hero scale than this self-promoting dud. The Hypocrites Oath: First; Do No Harm.
@Tremonius: Did I ever say that he performed flawlessly? No, I said that he experienced what few of us ever have, not just being in the midst of the disaster, but coordinating the efforts around the recovery. A lot of foolishness happened, emergency planning was ill-equipped and poorly located. We are exactly on the same page with what happened.
I'm not calling him a hero, I'm just saying his experiences, both the successes and failures (as it is far easier to learn from your mistakes), might qualify him as a consultant in that biz.
@ChillbearLatrigue: Now I can't jab back at you over Nawlins because you share my admiration for Lord Humongous's screen name. I'll also give you additional fodder regarding NYC crime pre-Pope Rudy. Go to my FB page and look at the profile pic I just uploaded. Shows someone aiming a gun out a window. I took that in the mid-70s in a now-posh stretch of Broadway on teh Upper West Side. So I'll grant you that street life in Manhattan was a tad on the adventurous side.
@Tremonius: I can tell you from personal experience that radio coordination is one of the most frustrating aspects of dealing with a multi-agency (or in this case multi-division)emergency. The reason that different divisions are on different radio channels is because only one person can talk at a time on a radio. If you have thousands of people on the same channel, important information gets lost in the wait time to jump in. That's because you can't see each other to know when its your turn to talk. This issue should be taken up with another Italian gentlman named Marconi.
Typically what then happens is that they choose a common channel so that they can communicate information that needs to be shared. That telling every member of each division to switch to an alternate channel. The next difficulty comes from the fact that you need to account for each person on the new channel. You can't just jump to channel X and hope that all of the hundreds of people heard it. People are dealing with shouting, screaming, face to face conversations and dead zones within buildings. Not everyone will get the message.
The benefit of having a megaphone to reach the people in your immediate vicinity is so that you don't tie up the radio air for something that only needs to be communicated to someone relatively close to you.
I'm not saying he was the Second Coming on 911. In fact, I don't know how much any elected official should be directly involved in supervising an emergency. However, There isn't one mayoral candidate in the history of NY that had a pat plan for planes colliding into buildings.
I doubt that the radio situation is much better. It is an inherent problem with two way radios. I know we haven't improved much in my agency.
@Mike Jahn: Feel free to jab. I have a thick skin. I couldn't figure out how to locate you on FB. Sorry.
@momof3wildkids: By that gauge, a premiere consultant on catastrophy would be Heckuva Job Brownie, for he was there and had the experience, no matter he mucked up severely and had to go back to watching his ponies.
The icon of all Motivational Speakers on auto safety should never have been Ralph Nadir but any crash test dummy, which Ghoulyahi resembles anyway.
@ChillbearLatrigue: One major factor of Ghouli's rise was the utter absence of the Midland midget for 11 1/2 hours. He went into shock and they hid him under a CIA bed in deep cover and made up a lie to cover for his buck fever. The 9/11 Commission was so generous to the little twerp. Allowed him to sit on Cheney's lap to testify, mentioned that the chain of command would have the president, had we one, issuing order to the Secretary of Defense, such as he was, and offered no comment. Dohbya spoke by phone from under his bed to what's-his-name at the Pentagon. For some fifteen minutes. Neither recalls what was said.
They have their job cut out for them down at SMU, rehabbing the rep of the utmost disaster of American history. Doofus Dohbya makes even Ghoul look good.
@Tremonius: I'm a little tired and the way topics go stale in Gawker this one may not be around for much longer, but I just want to point out that Michael Brown was exonerated. It happened about six months after the actual event. As it turns out, he actually did do a heck of a job. It may not be convenient to admit it, but here's the story:
@ChillbearLatrigue: Quick question, then, muhman. Just why is it military units of any size are able to embark on emergency circumstances without all the confusion in commo? One possible factor: chain of command. You'd have no circumstance where in a forward unit each and all privates in the field were desperately raining radio traffic on the Bn commander.
@ChillbearLatrigue: Let me see what I find in the clip from CNN you helpfully provide.
"Government at all levels was forewarned of the catastrophic nature of the approaching storm and did painfully little to be ready to evacuate, search, rescue and relieve," said the Connecticut lawmaker, who had accused the White House of stonewalling the committee.
More than 1,300 people were killed by Katrina in Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida -- where the storm first hit August 25 as a Category 1 hurricane.
A special House committee concluded last month that the response to Katrina at all levels of government was dismal, poorly planned and badly coordinated, showing that "America is still not ready for prime time" more than four years after the September 11, 2001, attacks.
I always wanted to write this: italics mine.
The article does seem to establish, as CNN is his witness, that Browny was at least more engaged earlier than the disastrous doofus in DC. Of course, grading on that curve, even Gonzo doesn't look quite so dumb. Besides, you would expect, especially with a puppet president, the various department heads would realize they would have to carry the load in their own fields. Even political hacks should realize that. And which department head was most responsible for such emergencies?
@Tremonius: In the military there are designated radio men. They are specifically trained to relay communications downward through the chain of command. Upward information is only relayed by specific individuals at specific times. To your point, the privates are generally in close proximity with their sergeants, lieutenants, etc. In law enforcement and fire, everyone carries a radio. Cops generally work alone or with a partner. Anyone can talk at any time. This is why they use separate channels.
In addition, the training in the military is far superior to the training in law enforcement. This is because when they aren't actively engaged in fighting, they are rotated out for training. Law enforcement doesn't have that kind of overflow to constantly rotate people to train. The average cop receives less than one year of academy and on the job training. Maybe two weeks of that is allocated to dealing with major catastrophes.
If he or she works for a good agency, he/she gets two weeks a year of refresher training. Maybe a day of that is dedicated to a class room review of disaster response. You see where I'm going with this?
The military has a very specific group of objectives. Law enforcement deals with everything from huge catastrophes to check kiting. It's a little unrealistic to think that the cops responding the Twin Towers would be as prepared to deal with that disaster as a military unit that is trained for specific objectives, like taking a beach or a hill.
This training situation is not a situation specific to Giuliani's NY. This is the status of Law Enforcement around the US.
@ChillbearLatrigue: I guess I was short-sheeted then. I had 8 weeks of Basic Combat Training, then 8 more weeks of Advanced Individual Training. So did we all, circa 1965. At that point, all of my less fortunate peers saw some two weeks of jungle training, and then they were shipped out overseas for their one year sabbatical in the jungles of Vietnam.
After that - are you ready for this? - they were returned stateside for either six months or a year and a half of "training" to complete their enlistments or draft requirements. If your MOS was artillery, then you might rise up and go out in the field and fire the 155 Howizer all day, in preparation for civilian life.
It was utterly useless and it was simply to complete terms of service. (Incidentally, most of the discipline troubles and bad paper of the Vietnam era, which set records, resulted from just this cracked notion of sending a troop back to school after he'd been under fire.)
The military today confronts everything from firefights to mortar rounds incoming to fires and explosions and building bridges, plus regular duties as door-to-door police work. This is much more variety than your average fireman, or your average cop on a beat as well. Plus, you have no politicians or political appointees in charge of any unit. The commanders are trained just as the enlisted were. No Ghoulyannis need apply (and, in the case of Repugnants, most duck service anyway).
The Twin Towers were essentially two big fires. None of the responders had to be concerned with "terrorism." All the terrorists were ash by the time the first siren sounded. It mattered not what caused the blazes. If they could not be expected to respond to these particular emergencies, it just means they were not ready for really big fires in their city.
Sorry, I'm still not understanding why utter radio confusion is endemic to emergency responders in major cities with no remedy.
@Tremonius: You can call the Twin Towers two big fires and that is one way to look at it. You could also call it two big explosions. You could also call it two missile attacks. You didn;t have to worry about the terrorists on the planes, but who knew if they were the only terrorists? There was a lot that wasn't known at the time that is known now. It's really easy to second guess after the fact and try to put the blame on one person for the fact that the rescue wasn't pretty. They probably weren't prepared for two jet liners hitting the two largest buildings in the city at the same time. That's not the same as two large fires breaking out in the same block.
I don't know how to make the radio situation any clearer than I have without getting 1000 radios, hand them to a thousand people and let you witness how many of them think that their piece of information is the most vital thing going on.
@ChillbearLatrigue: I'd like to spread this out so others can see it. I think the train has left this particular station. I haven't seen yet how the civilians in an urban emergency differ from the military in war and supposed peace, as it seems to me if the only means in play today in cities is thousands of voices or effectively none, maybe they should switch to what works, but I'll keep reading.
When the most recent item in the "press releases" section of your company's website is from March 2007, perhaps you should take that as a sign things ain't goin' so well.
Similarly, when the organization that funds most the "economic research" (along with NBER and NSF) that helped get us into our huge mess -- CEPR -- has their annual report on their website, but it's from 2002-2003, one really must wonder.
No, no, guys, let me explain this one more time. Let's say you're a young I.T. firm, and you're looking for strategies to introduce your services to a wide audience. Why listen to some know-nothing PR consultant when you can just pay me to pay journalists to pay attention to you and cover your company in the media? Genius, right? Right? Hello? WHERE ARE YOU ALL GOING?!
It's a diversion, people! It's a limited hangout! Just like Neel Kashkari was inserted to draw fire, Abrams Research was created to draw fire. It's a nothingburger deluxe.
Dan is trying to work the old advice-over-beer thing between newsmen and PR guys. It's cozy and everyone gives flacks an earful at the bar, and if he buys you a beer you buy him one back. But this? No.
@Richard: YES. He is going to make sure his dad forecloses on the mortgage of the Youth Center, just to spite the good girl who wouldn't put out (because she volunteers there), unless the kids can win the $50,000 prize at that dance contest in Chicago this weekend!
@Weegee's bored: Actually, I was thinking more Delivery Boys spin-off, but then there really were only about three movie plots in the 80s and they just got repackaged.
@Richard: Fortunately, one of the kids has a father who drives a school bus, so when Dan Abrams sabotages their truck, they'll still be able to get there in the nick of time.
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Seriously, a President Palin would TALK about banning books. President Rudy would actually DO IT.
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I don't know what kind of President Rudy would have been, but I watched enough interviews to know that he at least understands the concept of fiscal responsibility and wouldn't have required a crash course in monetary policy.
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Yes, he was an ok mayor for a while, but he's certainly no Allen Dulles. It's the same stupid rationale about how being mayor on September 11th gave him expertise.
Plus, Rudy is fundamentally an asshole.
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Further, I'll tell you what. The next time there's a huge catatrophe in New York I'll put on a police jacket and walk around for three days clapping people on the back and telling them what a great job they're going. Make me a hero. Make me a millionaire.
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BTW, how the hell do you know his biz is "fake?" Say what you will about Rudy, but few people have ever experienced what he has, truly being on the front lines of a disaster recovery of that magnitude. I do believe that gives him a bit of an edge over some other consultants. Not a lot of terrorism going on US soil right now. Business is slow.
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@Mike Jahn: It was a little hard for any of us to enjoy the soul of New York because we were doing wind sprints from our cabs or trains to the hotel or apartment in which we would lock ourselves with multiple dead bolts. Are you also mad at those Clinton bastards for ruining Harlem?
New Orleans? Are you fucking kidding me? I've lived there. Lot's of artistry. Zero positive vibe. Tons of poverty, unemployment, corruption and crime. If you were going to pick any city in the Continental US to try to make your point, New Orleans falls somewhere between Camden and Detroit.
@momof3wildkids: You were perfectly understandable. Listen, idiots, Las Vegas is suffering right now too. Is that because all of the casinos are run by incompetent boobs? Not every enterprise that fails is because it is run like GM or AIG. As long as this crisis has been going on you would think that people would educate themselves a little bit about businesses and economics.
@Mike Jahn: Mike, you're right. As much as I disagree with the two of you, "Lord Humongous" is a totally kick ass screen name. Sometimes you have to step back and appreciate the beauty of the little things, or in this case, the humongous things.
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He didn't even bring the crime rate down. That started under Dinkins. He played the typical race baiting Repugnant card that the previous mayor was only looking out for his own, i.e., only protecting Harlem citizens somehow.
He was an utter and complete fraud. He's still talked of because of the power of celebrity, which seems to run longer the least substance there is behind it. He is Jessica Simpson, no less, certainly no more.
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There were a million or so on the scene at the time, and most of them willing to walk through rubble for stardom, had they been asked. Plus, they didn't make any decisions which worsened the catastrophe, such as failing to see the response personnel in one tower could communicate with the other, plus seeing the headquarters of emergency planning was not in the most likely strike vicinity.
So you have millions literally who were higher up the hero scale than this self-promoting dud. The Hypocrites Oath: First; Do No Harm.
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I'm not calling him a hero, I'm just saying his experiences, both the successes and failures (as it is far easier to learn from your mistakes), might qualify him as a consultant in that biz.
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Typically what then happens is that they choose a common channel so that they can communicate information that needs to be shared. That telling every member of each division to switch to an alternate channel. The next difficulty comes from the fact that you need to account for each person on the new channel. You can't just jump to channel X and hope that all of the hundreds of people heard it. People are dealing with shouting, screaming, face to face conversations and dead zones within buildings. Not everyone will get the message.
The benefit of having a megaphone to reach the people in your immediate vicinity is so that you don't tie up the radio air for something that only needs to be communicated to someone relatively close to you.
I'm not saying he was the Second Coming on 911. In fact, I don't know how much any elected official should be directly involved in supervising an emergency. However, There isn't one mayoral candidate in the history of NY that had a pat plan for planes colliding into buildings.
I doubt that the radio situation is much better. It is an inherent problem with two way radios. I know we haven't improved much in my agency.
@Mike Jahn: Feel free to jab. I have a thick skin. I couldn't figure out how to locate you on FB. Sorry.
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The icon of all Motivational Speakers on auto safety should never have been Ralph Nadir but any crash test dummy, which Ghoulyahi resembles anyway.
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They have their job cut out for them down at SMU, rehabbing the rep of the utmost disaster of American history. Doofus Dohbya makes even Ghoul look good.
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[www.cnn.com]
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"Government at all levels was forewarned of the catastrophic nature of the approaching storm and did painfully little to be ready to evacuate, search, rescue and relieve," said the Connecticut lawmaker, who had accused the White House of stonewalling the committee.
More than 1,300 people were killed by Katrina in Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida -- where the storm first hit August 25 as a Category 1 hurricane.
A special House committee concluded last month that the response to Katrina at all levels of government was dismal, poorly planned and badly coordinated, showing that "America is still not ready for prime time" more than four years after the September 11, 2001, attacks.
I always wanted to write this: italics mine.
The article does seem to establish, as CNN is his witness, that Browny was at least more engaged earlier than the disastrous doofus in DC. Of course, grading on that curve, even Gonzo doesn't look quite so dumb. Besides, you would expect, especially with a puppet president, the various department heads would realize they would have to carry the load in their own fields. Even political hacks should realize that. And which department head was most responsible for such emergencies?
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In addition, the training in the military is far superior to the training in law enforcement. This is because when they aren't actively engaged in fighting, they are rotated out for training. Law enforcement doesn't have that kind of overflow to constantly rotate people to train. The average cop receives less than one year of academy and on the job training. Maybe two weeks of that is allocated to dealing with major catastrophes.
If he or she works for a good agency, he/she gets two weeks a year of refresher training. Maybe a day of that is dedicated to a class room review of disaster response. You see where I'm going with this?
The military has a very specific group of objectives. Law enforcement deals with everything from huge catastrophes to check kiting. It's a little unrealistic to think that the cops responding the Twin Towers would be as prepared to deal with that disaster as a military unit that is trained for specific objectives, like taking a beach or a hill.
This training situation is not a situation specific to Giuliani's NY. This is the status of Law Enforcement around the US.
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After that - are you ready for this? - they were returned stateside for either six months or a year and a half of "training" to complete their enlistments or draft requirements. If your MOS was artillery, then you might rise up and go out in the field and fire the 155 Howizer all day, in preparation for civilian life.
It was utterly useless and it was simply to complete terms of service. (Incidentally, most of the discipline troubles and bad paper of the Vietnam era, which set records, resulted from just this cracked notion of sending a troop back to school after he'd been under fire.)
The military today confronts everything from firefights to mortar rounds incoming to fires and explosions and building bridges, plus regular duties as door-to-door police work. This is much more variety than your average fireman, or your average cop on a beat as well. Plus, you have no politicians or political appointees in charge of any unit. The commanders are trained just as the enlisted were. No Ghoulyannis need apply (and, in the case of Repugnants, most duck service anyway).
The Twin Towers were essentially two big fires. None of the responders had to be concerned with "terrorism." All the terrorists were ash by the time the first siren sounded. It mattered not what caused the blazes. If they could not be expected to respond to these particular emergencies, it just means they were not ready for really big fires in their city.
Sorry, I'm still not understanding why utter radio confusion is endemic to emergency responders in major cities with no remedy.
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I don't know how to make the radio situation any clearer than I have without getting 1000 radios, hand them to a thousand people and let you witness how many of them think that their piece of information is the most vital thing going on.
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[www.giulianipartners.com]
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Similarly, when the organization that funds most the "economic research" (along with NBER and NSF) that helped get us into our huge mess -- CEPR -- has their annual report on their website, but it's from 2002-2003, one really must wonder.
[www.cepr.org]
That's cepr.org. Not to be confued with cepr.net
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I love it when you flossynaucinihilipillify.
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@Richard: Fortunately, one of the kids has a father who drives a school bus, so when Dan Abrams sabotages their truck, they'll still be able to get there in the nick of time.