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    10/31/09

    In reply to Nobody Loves Weepy VP Joe
    Biden was the most inscrutable choice, ever, for VP. Instead of "change" Obama brought out an old hack, who had trouble with both truth telling, even during the campaign, and with inserting his foot into his mouth. Oh, to know what kind of negotiation that was, to get him on the ticket---except, perhaps to allay terrified old white guys who feared a woman and a (half)black man on the ticket would bring on the apocalypse. #joebiden
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    10/30/09

    In reply to Nobody Loves Weepy VP Joe
    apparently I am in the minority, but I love Joe Biden! I think he's like the lovable Steve Urkel of the White House. He comes in, says stupid stuff, knocks shit over, and is like "Did I do that?" Oh Joe. #joebiden
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    10/30/09

    In reply to Nobody Loves Weepy VP Joe
    Joe Biden is everything thats wrong and fucked up with congress. This dope won his seat in the Senate when he was 29 and has never had another job until being VP. He has learned about as much about how the country works from his perch in DC as Palin learned about Russia from staring at it. He is walking proof we need term limits.

    And he doesn't drink. I don't trust people who don't drink, unless they've already been alcoholics. #joebiden
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    10/30/09

    In reply to Nobody Loves Weepy VP Joe
    Why is it that I feel compelled to defend Gawker's subject matter against the editors/writers at least once a day lately?

    Either this new crop of staff writers is utterly fucked, or the editorial direction has taken a nosedive, or both.

    Is there some negative correlation between the quality of stories and the quality of AJAX/CSS? #joebiden
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    10/30/09

    @Motoko Kusanagi: From where I'm standing, it would appear to be a positive correlation. It's a good day when I get tripped up by fewer than five unresponsive scripts, infinite waits for comments to load or what have you. #joebiden
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    10/30/09

    @romulus: The site gets prettier, and the content gets lamer. Just callin it as I see it. #joebiden
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    10/30/09

    @Motoko Kusanagi: Oh yeah, I didn't mean to quibble. I agree that the site gets fancier all the time, but features seem to break often. I should have added before that it could well be my OS and browser causing headaches most readers don't experience. And in all fairness, I haven't been reading long enough to judge contemporary content against the past. #joebiden
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    10/30/09

    In reply to Nobody Loves Weepy VP Joe
    Not sure what point you're trying to make, Amrita... that you think Cheney's worldview makes some sense? That Cheney was initially popular, before everything he did brought his popularity rating to a low of 28%? I love it that Biden is willing to call a moron a moron. This is a ridiculous post. #joebiden
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    10/30/09

    In reply to Nobody Loves Weepy VP Joe
    Oh, and if you're trying to poke fun at Vice Prez Biden for weeping during the debate when he spoke about his first wife and baby daughter who died, well then, that's just messed up. #joebiden
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    10/31/09

    @Conchie Birdie: One might argue that it was the worst kind of political hackdom for him to bring them up expressly to show his "empathy" side and try to squeeze a tear out of his plastic-surgeryized eye slots. #joebiden
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    10/30/09

    In reply to Nobody Loves Weepy VP Joe
    I'm absolutely NOT a supporter of ANYTHING Dick says... but, Good Lawwd, Biden, Bin Laden will always BE a part of the issue. I'm sorry, I guess if you had the prez saying this I could understand... but, uh, Joe? Nope.

    That being said, why are we posting crap from Fox News anyway - I thought we weren't supposed to take this stuff seriously?
    #joebiden
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    10/23/09

    In reply to Freakonomics Has Always Been Dumb
    They reported in the earlier book how neither Ghoulyanni nor his boy Kerik saved Manhattan from crime forever; it was all due to the simple expedient of abortions available to black mothers. (They euphemized as "single mothers living up beyond 120th St.")

    The logic is, if you don't birth criminals, they won't be out on the street causing trouble.

    I never saw any comments on the proposition so I guess everybody agrees. #freakonomics
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    10/24/09

    @Tremonius: The phrase "correlation does not imply causation" always comes to mind when I think of that claim. #freakonomics
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    10/25/09

    @apod78: That would be the big ol' stick with which to whack most of the book's arguments. My only defense of the authors is that I actually do think they understand this and are just being playful. But it's easy for the general audience to misread. #freakonomics
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    10/23/09

    In reply to Freakonomics Has Always Been Dumb
    One of my pet peeves is when people dub those they disagree with some variation of stupid, when in fact intelligence is not the issue in play. This interaction is almost unavoidable when discussing politics with people who don't know very much about politics -- "can you believe they [take some position that not everyone agrees with]? Idiots, like I always said! The world is full of idiots."

    While it is true by definition that people of above-average intelligence are a minority, the people saying this are usually not part of that minority. Very smart people can sometimes be wrong, yet they remain very smart. More pertinently, this interaction is usually between parties who are both completely average. #freakonomics
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    10/23/09

    @Solomon Grundy: The fact that you premise your argument on some universal concept of intelligence says a lot. #freakonomics
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    10/23/09

    @Motoko Kusanagi: Nah, I actually had a whole graf about begging the question via a slippery working definition of "stupid," but I cut it because it was just too blowhardy, even for me. #freakonomics
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    10/24/09

    @Solomon Grundy: Fair enuf! #freakonomics
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    10/24/09

    @Solomon Grundy: Yes, this is a variant of an argument that religious types use to attempt to argue that it's necessary to believe even if you don't see the wisdom in something yourself. They ask: Why do many intelligent people believe in God if there weren't actually wisdom in believing in God?

    The answer to this question is that there are plenty of really smart people who don't (for instance, 98% of the members National Academy of Sciences are atheists/agnostics). In the same way, there are many smart people who think Levitt and Dubner are experts who are blinded by their own narrow methodology. Most of the detractors are social psychologists, sociologists, neuroscientists, even economists...oh, and Dostoyevsky, too, not the biggest fan of rationalizing human behavior.
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    10/24/09

    @i'm a bottle: To answer the question of those religious types another way, many intelligent people believe in God because of cognitive bias. The costs associated with mistaking a random event for something produced by a potential Great Friend in the Sky (a false positive) are arguably less than the costs of thinking an event is random when it is the result of a purposeful act of that Great (but now forsaken) Friend (the false negative). Fyodor be damned, we're back to rational choice!

    I can't fully believe this (mainly I just wanted to be ironic), but I think it carries some weight. The value comes in assigning that weight properly, and that's where I stand with Levitt's use of economics, and some of the other controversial applications of the harder soft-sciences- evolutionary psychology in particular. Even if the majority of the work is demonstrable bullshit, the process is useful and every once in a while, the result is revolutionary. Discrediting an entire line of thinking because of some faulty reasoning or disingenuous evidence is throwing the baby out with the bath water. #freakonomics
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    10/23/09

    In reply to Freakonomics Has Always Been Dumb
    It's still better than Malcolm Gladwell and his "so I went and talked to this guy..." school of journalism. #freakonomics
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    10/23/09

    In reply to Freakonomics Has Always Been Dumb
    I also hate idiots who say completely correct, non-controversial things about global warming at parties. #freakonomics
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    10/23/09

    @shostakobitch: Everytime I hear the phrase "we have to look at both sides of the issue" in reference to global warming or healthcare reform, I want to empty my glass on the utterer's shoes.
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    10/23/09

    @i'm a bottle: Yes, exactly. It's like looking at both sides of gravity. #freakonomics
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    10/23/09

    @i'm a bottle: Includes me.

    Once there was a drunk who lectured a lady of my acquaintence to that effect, and I asked, "Why?" He had never thought of it. "I don't know why," he said. Everybody says it, so it must be so.

    If somebody believes in the Easter Bunny and Santa, we have to hear them out, despite us outgrowing such childhood fables as magical beings, the intelligence of the Common Man, and a free market economy. #freakonomics
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    10/25/09

    @i'm a bottle: I love that this presupposes that you CONSTANTLY have a glass of wine in your hand. #freakonomics
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    10/25/09

    @Solomon Grundy: HA! At parties, there isn't a moment that I don't have a glass in my hand.

    #freakonomics
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    10/23/09

    In reply to Freakonomics Has Always Been Dumb
    Don't forget the chapter in which they can't figure out why ALL prostitutes don't become high-end escorts, and why 'trophy wives' don't become prostitutes. It's like Veronica Lodge wondering why poor people don't just use credit cards. #freakonomics
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    10/23/09

    @Pizza!Pizza!Pizza!: Yeah - that's what actually got my attention first.

    I thought the rise of behavioral and neuro economics would officially shut down this special brand of BS. Or at least make people more skeptical. #freakonomics
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    10/23/09

    @Pizza!Pizza!Pizza!: I always thought "high-end escorts" referred to a certain position they were willing to assume.

    How many street call-outs would it take to bring in the amount of cash which slipped through the fingers of Anna Nicole Smith, somebody. #freakonomics
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    10/23/09

    In reply to Freakonomics Has Always Been Dumb
    Lies, damn lies and statistics. #freakonomics
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    10/23/09

    In reply to Freakonomics Has Always Been Dumb
    My partner was attending the U of C for law school at the height of the Freakonomics craze. Everybody in Hyde Park seemed to be reading it. The law students I knew were all taken with Posner (who works closely with Gary Becker) and Richard Epstein -- three wholly insufferable thinkers. Their zeal for applying economic principles was generally frightening and maddening. Well, anyway, we're out having dinner one night, and my partner's classmate makes the remark: "I read that crime rates are always higher around streets named 'Martin Luther King Boulevard.'" It turns out that she's not trying to make the banal argument that established black neighborhoods have higher crime rates just because they're black neighborhoods -- which is what I first think she's up to -- she's actually forwarding the thesis that the name of the street is the necessary and sufficient condition for higher crime rates. This is obviously an extreme example.
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    10/23/09

    @i'm a bottle:

    Well yes I mean basically the biggest problem with their shit is it's one big brainless correlation hunt. They find a statistical relationship and then totally misinterpret the causal cues. Economic behavioralism uses empirical data to support correlations and turn them into legitimate causal relationships. Freakonomics says "wouldn't it be fucked up if THIS was why abortions and income are correlated?" in an effort to make a book-selling, inflammatory conclusion with no basis whatsoever.

    In their defense, I don't think Leavitt really sees his work as legitimate study - more of a food for thought thing. He's smart enough and credentialed enough to know what real research is. Pareene thinks research is googling a couple people that support his predetermined conclusions. I bet "people that disagree with X" is probably his most common search string, a process he views as a Search For Truth, based on the assumption that other bloggers and media personalities have done the research for him. This is scarcely true, because the media is basically built on people who can't be bothered to actually know fuck-all birthing consensus into fact. #freakonomics
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    10/23/09

    @i'm a bottle: Ugh. One of my friends has a U of C MBA that must be of the same vintage. The guy applies half-understood economic theorettes to EVERYTHING. Breakfast cereal selection, child naming, fantasy football, etc. Any time he's provably wrong (which he is at a rate greater than random chance), he just shrugs and says that "there's still validity in taking an unconventional view." #freakonomics
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    10/23/09

    @i'm a bottle: Dear God. I went to U of C law. And if I had a dollar for every time I heard bullshit like this I would have paid off my student loans already. #freakonomics
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    10/23/09

    @i'm a bottle: Law students: Repeating Chris Rock bits as fact since 2009. #freakonomics
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    10/23/09

    @i'm a bottle: That's a Chris Rock joke. Did she read this or was this screamed at her by HBO?
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    10/23/09

    @ambitious: What? Really? No, you're kidding, right? Do you have YouTube proof? #freakonomics
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    10/23/09

    @ambitious: I found it.

    It's pretty much the same idea that she expressed, though she wrapped it in (pseudo)scientific seriousness.

    [vdare.com]
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    10/23/09

    @i'm a bottle: Someone wiser and quicker on the draw should be able to find video but the "joke" does get a shout out on the wiki for streets named after King:

    " It is a stereotype that any street named after King is in a rough neighborhood and is to be avoided. Picking up on this stereotype, the comedian Chris Rock has said, "If you find yourself on 'Martin Luther King Boulevard', run!""

    [en.wikipedia.org] #freakonomics
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    10/23/09

    @ambitious: Somebody repackaged a stupid cliché. #freakonomics
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    10/23/09

    @i'm a bottle: There is much more prostitution up on 69th St. Proven fact.

    Posner enviserated the Kennedy Konspiracy Kooks. Utterly. Case Closed. #freakonomics
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    10/24/09

    @i'm a bottle: Uh, that website reproduces that article, but the website itself is defined as a hate-group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. [www.splcenter.org]
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    10/24/09

    @autoclavicle: Uh huh, Virginia Dare. Thank you for the research. I had no idea what that website -- or Virginia Dare for that matter -- were. #freakonomics
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    10/24/09

    @finite_elephant: @Trulymadlyme: UofC represent. Yep. Hoping all that crap is totally discredited ASAP, by the burning fire of reality. #freakonomics
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    10/23/09

    In reply to Freakonomics Has Always Been Dumb
    becoming a gay serial killer was a rational consumer choice.

    For 500: This would explain what percentage of H & M's sales? #freakonomics
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    10/23/09

    @Foster Kamer: Good one. Also, UofC economics is thankfully at long last being seriously chipped away at by the recent financial crisis. Efficient markets, well, aren't. #freakonomics
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