In order to be hired there even though you scored a 1, you essentially have to be a total rockstar. Let's say you've got your PhD in crypto, worked for some other huge tech firm but you suck at interviews and you're so specialized it's not even relevant. Yeah, you're going to get a 1, but when they look at your resume, see your publications and qualifications you get hired. Are you going to be a good employee with those stats? Yeah, most likely.
That being said, people who score 1's, or at least, the 99% who do, many of them wouldn't be able to hack it. If you don't have the social skills you need to have the technical skills. If you don't have either, makes sense that you'd get bounced.
Also, word on the street is that Google is pretty widely hiring right now--not laying off.
The guy who wrote Dress for Success in the 70's is a statistician by trade, and he once analyzed the success of various hiring techniques. The best indicator of later success? Passing the interview with experts in the field the person would be working in; the worst? Impressing the HR drones. #google
I went through an interview with Google and, of course, this is going to sound like sour grapes, but it ain't ... really.
I've got 20 years on the little snot-nosed recent PhD interviewing me and he starts throwing these lame-ass puzzles at me. He speaks, throughout, in the most condescending imaginable tones. Some of them are trivial as in "why are you wasting my time with this, I've already offered to send you code samples and some of my algorithm work". Some of them are so poorly phrased as to have no good answer. A final one was an old saw of a problem - one I'd seen decades ago, once knew the "trick", but that would take more more than 1m to remember the trick. It wasn't even a very practical problem or trick to know for any utilitarian purpose - just one of those old puzzles that geeks trade around as useless toys. Since it was taking me more than about a minute to reconstruct the answer he grew impatient and started talking to me like I was a three year old. The interviewer said several other idiotic things in the course of discussion (not rude, I mean -- technically stupid (although he was also rude)). Our mutual disrespect was mutually clear, I think, by the end of the interview.
A serious problem with Google's culture, I learned that day, is that their declaration of owning "the world's best engineers" has the very bad side effect of giving every loser hired into engineering there the unsubstantiated belief that they are a member of that species.
What I've learned, over the years, is that you have to pretty much (not absolutely, but close) *never* trust an engineer who regards himself as anything other than an average plodder, prone to mistakes, who might be *slightly* better than most at this or that specialty. Those are the only honest engineers you'll find, for the most part. They are the only ones who are appropriately skeptical of their own brilliance. And they do the best work.
The founders of Google set a really bogus tone, from the outset.
First, they come up with a battery of ridiculous questions, then they look at the people that do the worst at answering them and then hire one of those people they just REALLY LIKED.
@edosan: I wonder if doing poorly in an interview reflects not giving the interviewer what s/he expects or wants, in other words, it's a predictor of independence or original thinking. Of course the candidate generally has to be intellectualy solid, not just contrary, so s/he has to ace the other three and be liked well enough to be faught over.
I remember there was an article about a Google (?) HR person (?) who had ridiculously strict ideas of who would make a good employee.
I realize that this may come across as harping, but...
Google has invested in Wojcicki's company at the behest of a founder. Google is not subject to the marriage contract and because 23andMe is still in the startup phase, it hasn't produced any value for Google's shareholders. Any future investments would be subject to the whim of Sergey;
Expect us to add benefits rather than pare them down over time. We believe it is easy to be penny wise and pound foolish with respect to benefits that can save employees considerable time and improve their health and productivity.
doesn't every company started by some fruit-booted shitass in a garage that makes it big go through the same tired cycle of plucky-futurist-luxuriating in cash-cutthroat-obsolete- bankrupt? isn't that observation also cliched? where am i? why don't i have any pants? can i borrow change for the bus?
why are these apples complaining? the reason why Apple is so successful is because of Jobs' obsessive perfectionism... no? I'd take an obsessive boss any day as long as we churned out good product and my stock went up!
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That being said, people who score 1's, or at least, the 99% who do, many of them wouldn't be able to hack it. If you don't have the social skills you need to have the technical skills. If you don't have either, makes sense that you'd get bounced.
Also, word on the street is that Google is pretty widely hiring right now--not laying off.
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I've got 20 years on the little snot-nosed recent PhD interviewing me and he starts throwing these lame-ass puzzles at me. He speaks, throughout, in the most condescending imaginable tones. Some of them are trivial as in "why are you wasting my time with this, I've already offered to send you code samples and some of my algorithm work". Some of them are so poorly phrased as to have no good answer. A final one was an old saw of a problem - one I'd seen decades ago, once knew the "trick", but that would take more more than 1m to remember the trick. It wasn't even a very practical problem or trick to know for any utilitarian purpose - just one of those old puzzles that geeks trade around as useless toys. Since it was taking me more than about a minute to reconstruct the answer he grew impatient and started talking to me like I was a three year old. The interviewer said several other idiotic things in the course of discussion (not rude, I mean -- technically stupid (although he was also rude)). Our mutual disrespect was mutually clear, I think, by the end of the interview.
A serious problem with Google's culture, I learned that day, is that their declaration of owning "the world's best engineers" has the very bad side effect of giving every loser hired into engineering there the unsubstantiated belief that they are a member of that species.
What I've learned, over the years, is that you have to pretty much (not absolutely, but close) *never* trust an engineer who regards himself as anything other than an average plodder, prone to mistakes, who might be *slightly* better than most at this or that specialty. Those are the only honest engineers you'll find, for the most part. They are the only ones who are appropriately skeptical of their own brilliance. And they do the best work.
The founders of Google set a really bogus tone, from the outset.
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First, they come up with a battery of ridiculous questions, then they look at the people that do the worst at answering them and then hire one of those people they just REALLY LIKED.
Wow. That makes a lot of sense. #google
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I remember there was an article about a Google (?) HR person (?) who had ridiculously strict ideas of who would make a good employee.
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Google has invested in Wojcicki's company at the behest of a founder. Google is not subject to the marriage contract and because 23andMe is still in the startup phase, it hasn't produced any value for Google's shareholders. Any future investments would be subject to the whim of Sergey;
So, what does NOW think of this power dynamic?
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