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    Image of raincoaster raincoaster
    07/13/09

    In reply to Hate Speech Against Malia Obama On Conservative Blogs
    Oh, troll-baiting has a long and honorable tradition online, but ONLY if he then goes meta and writes a The-Making-Of story discussing how he felt guilt pangs while baiting the trap, but mastered them "for the sake of the truth."



    Or...is this just a Vancouver thing? Passive-aggressive is very Canadian. You could just as well have written this as an "Foreign National Employs Disinformation Campaign Against Patriots" or whatever.



    PS: the Sun is not what you'd call left-wing, just so you know.



    PPS: the new comment order positively encourages not reading the comments before commenting. Who am I to go against the flow?
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    Image of Mediahohoho Mediahohoho
    07/12/09

    In reply to Hate Speech Against Malia Obama On Conservative Blogs
    I think the equivalency thing people are doing with the Palin / Letterman thing is fascinating. And dumb. Fascinatingly dumb. To point out the most obvious difference, the Letterman story was promoted and fueled by none other than Sarah Palin. But I guess this sort of false equivalency is what we're in for over the next 4 to 8 years. Any cover will do, right?
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    07/13/09

    @Mediahohoho: Spot on. Barely half a year has passed in the Obama Presidency and this is the gauntlet that's been thrown down. The inability or obstinence to admit that an 11-year-old girl--who has never voiced any sort of political point of view--doesn't deserve this sort of racist hostility thinly veiled as "tit for tat" is willingly and pathologically ignorant. It paints a pathetic portrait of a group who don't possess an ideology--just a lot of projected anger.
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    Image of If_I_Had_a_Poodle If_I_Had_a_Poodle
    07/12/09

    In reply to Hate Speech Against Malia Obama On Conservative Blogs
    the one good thing about all the extreme ugliness coming out of the mentally chanllenged haterz on the right is that it really does bring the spotlight on them and it makes clear that so much anti gov, anti social welfare spending, anti decent social safety net spending, anti civil society, anti tax, anti anything speech has, at its core, exactly this kind of hatred. as lee atwater said,



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Atwater



    Atwater: You start out in 1954 by saying, "Nigger, nigger, nigger." By 1968 you can't say "nigger"—that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites.



    And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me—because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "Nigger, nigger."[7]
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    07/12/09

    In reply to Hate Speech Against Malia Obama On Conservative Blogs
    Being a Republican these days is a character flaw. Lincoln is turning over in his grave.
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    07/12/09

    In reply to Hate Speech Against Malia Obama On Conservative Blogs
    Hypocrisy: Republicans get their panties in a knot about Letterman’s joke about Palin’s unwed teenage daughter getting knocked up while attacking the daughter of the president of the United States for the color of her skin.
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    07/12/09

    @MaelstromInTheMiddle: Hypocrisy: Leftists not condemning a famous old man on national television for a joke about statuatory rape, then getting bent out of shape by commentors trying to out-jackass each other on their small corner of a vast internet. They have a right to say it just as Letterman did, but let's remember to condemn things equally. What they are saying is just as bad as what Letterman said, for all the same reasons. However, both have the right to say it. You will find that once this gets to conservative pundits such as O'Reilly and Beck, they too will condemn it, as it is abhorrent.
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    07/12/09

    @jodark: Stupidity. Condemning a man without the slightest idea of what he ACTUALLY said. Go find out. You'll be surprised.

    Edited to add: For some reason, it says I approve and promote your comment. Not even close.
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    Edited by topsy at 07/12/09 8:29 PM topsy was starred topsy was unstarred
    Image of braak:  You are, as usual, completely correct. braak: You are, as usual, completely correct.
    07/12/09

    @jodark: It's funny, I remember getting my nose out of joint about Letterman's remark. But then he apologized about it, like, the next day.



    I mean, not the second apology which happened a week later, but the first apology. What's that about, do you think?
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    Image of jodark jodark
    07/12/09

    @topsy: I read what he said, watched what he said and know the whole story behind it. I even predicted that if the shoes were on different feet, like this event, it would just switch who was angry. But let's not forget that these are just jackass commentors and Free Republic has chosen to permit them to say what they want on their website by not deleting them. Their choice, and they chose to allow their commentors to exercise their freedom of speech. I guess you should sue them for it and force the government to moderate the internet, since free speach can make people angry.
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    07/12/09

    @braak: His first apology was a half apology, which didn't condemn the joke itself, but said he meant someone else and just made an excuse. The second apology was much better saying the joke itself was wrong and in bad taste, which was the right thing to do, given his status. The commentors on that site are idiots, however that page needed to be heavily promoted in order for it to make a splash in even the blog-sphere news.



    Like I said, both are wrong, but one was shouted nation-wide in an instant, where is this is being continually promoted to bring light to negativity on the other side. I'm sure you could find some eco-nazi website that discusses their hatred of anyone who drives a car and thinks they should be killed, just as you can easily find the main page for the KKK pretty easily.
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    07/12/09

    @topsy: Don't reply to the trolls' posts as you "promote" them by doing so. The burden of that star of yours.
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    Image of ShanghaiLil ShanghaiLil
    07/12/09

    @jodark: For the 4,000th time, the First Amendment guarantees the right to speech that is free from government interference. It does not guarantee you the right to say whatever you want on a privately owned web site. No one has advocated that "the government moderate the internet," but some have suggested -- entirely appropriately -- that Free Republic moderate its own website. That's the beauty of free speech: you have the right to say it, and I have the right to call you an asshole for saying it, and to throw you out of my house if you say it in my living room.
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    Image of Amrita Rajan Amrita Rajan
    07/13/09

    @jodark: If you can't see the difference between a comedian making fun of a 19-year-old who gets knocked up and then sets herself up as a poster child of abstinence thanks to her delusional mother's need for attention and a bunch of idiots on a website making racist comments about an 11 yr old wearing an age appropriate T-shirt ... then you have a serious problem of the stupids.
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    07/13/09

    @topsy: When you reply to someone in steerage, you "promote" their comment so the great unwashed can read what you're replying to. Just drive on, pretend the little people don't exist. Or, that's what The Dark Lord wants you to do, anyway.
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    07/14/09

    @Amdesi: I went looking for the like/hitchhiking thumb/thanks for stating succinctly what all of us were thinking button, but no could find it. So, I guess I'll just reply in archaic web 1.0 fashion.
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    Edited by MaelstromInTheMiddle at 07/14/09 1:07 AM MaelstromInTheMiddle was starred MaelstromInTheMiddle was unstarred
    Image of maude_flanders maude_flanders
    07/12/09

    In reply to Hate Speech Against Malia Obama On Conservative Blogs
    First of all, there's nothing rebellious about a peace sign on a t-shirt...plenty of department stores and teen clothing stores put them on (girls', and seemingly girl's alone...irritating) t-shirts, pants, dresses, sweaters, etc. etc. Anyone who isn't 100, living under a rock or in Bumblefuck, Midddle of Nowhere would know that. That's not a political statement (what's WRONG with the peace sign, anyway? Is it just the universal sign for "dirty, anarchist hippies"?).



    Second...that's some brave shit, going after an 11 year-old.



    How much consideration do these people merit---they're grotesque, but they're laughable. How much of the voting population do they make up?



    Who am I kidding...it's bad enough there's an audience for political herpes like the Palins; THESE people are just the sprinkles on their shit cake.
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    Image of atlasfugged atlasfugged
    07/12/09

    In reply to Hate Speech Against Malia Obama On Conservative Blogs
    Free Republic actually called Chris Parry a loan-shark for providing microcredit loans through kiva.org. I suppose that makes me a loan-shark, too. So, let it be known that if that Ugandan farmer doesn't pay her loans back, I'll be flying over there and busting some knee-caps.


    [www.democraticunderground.com]
    [www.freerepublic.com]

    (Disclaimer: Click on the last link at your own peril. Reading that site may cause you to lose faith in humanity).
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    Edited by atlasfugged at 07/12/09 5:04 PM atlasfugged was starred atlasfugged was unstarred
    Image of JaviDecimal JaviDecimal
    07/12/09

    In reply to Hate Speech Against Malia Obama On Conservative Blogs
    The irony of Freepers calling others "ghetto". I guess they don't realize what kind of intellectual ghetto they find themselves in.



    These spineless cowards cannot be taken seriously. They may readily release such nasty racism online under the guise of anonymity but in real life they would never dream of openly exposing their vile innards. So their words are pretty much worthless as they have no integrity. I feel sorry for them for they will never understand or treasure the scale of human diversity.
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    Image of Dürer's Rhino Dürer's Rhino
    07/12/09

    @I ♥ Bitchy Trampolines: Intellectual ghetto. Well said.
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    07/12/09

    @Dürer's Rhino: Except for the "intellectual" part. God, people can be horrid.
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    Image of Conchie Birdie Conchie Birdie
    07/12/09

    In reply to Hate Speech Against Malia Obama On Conservative Blogs
    Not borderline morons, totally senseless, complete morons.
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    Image of ChillbearLatrigue ChillbearLatrigue
    07/12/09

    @Conchie Birdie: I was going to make the same point. No call for politeness here. It would embarrass morons the world over to be lumped in with these people.
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    Image of Foster Kamer Foster Kamer
    07/12/09

    In reply to Hate Speech Against Malia Obama On Conservative Blogs
    Well, this one's developing fast: Parry responded to the accusations by Free Republic here.

    Down the rabbit hole we go...
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    Edited by Foster Kamer at 07/12/09 3:39 PM Foster Kamer was starred Foster Kamer was unstarred
    Image of momof3wildkids momof3wildkids
    07/12/09

    @Foster Kamer: What happened to the ability to click a link directly?
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    Image of Foster Kamer Foster Kamer
    07/12/09

    @momof3wildkids: Wait, huh? What's up? Clarify.
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    07/12/09

    @Foster Kamer: I had to cut and paste the link to Mozilla that was a part of your original post in order to access the website. I am unable to click on the web address and reach it directly.
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    Image of Foster Kamer Foster Kamer
    07/12/09

    @momof3wildkids: Funky. Is anyone else having this problem?
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    07/12/09

    @Foster Kamer: Yep, Firefox isn't having a good day today, the pages won't load. Safari and Explorer are fine.
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    07/12/09

    @momof3wildkids, @ jasonelias: What versions of Firefox are you using? I'm using 3.5 and it works fine.
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    Image of Pope John Peeps II Pope John Peeps II
    07/12/09

    @Foster Kamer: Yep. I posted a couple of links over at Giz, and the same thing happened. Address didn't automatically link like it used to.
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    07/12/09

    @Pope John Peeps II: Do you mean when you paste a link into comments the link appears in the posted comment as a text URL? That definitely doesn't work like before. You have to manually insert the link using <a href="URL">.
    I think momof3 and jasonelias are describing a different issue, though. All of the links included in Foster's post and in his comments seem to work fine in Firefox 3.5. Apparently, the links don't work for them, however.
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    Image of Pope John Peeps II Pope John Peeps II
    07/12/09

    @atlasfugged: OH. Yeah, I was talking about the fact that before, when you posted a link address, it just automatically created the link. Now you have to Href it which is boring. I didn't realize other people were just not seeing links. I'm with Firefox 3.0.11 and my links show up great.
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    Image of momof3wildkids momof3wildkids
    07/12/09

    @Foster Kamer: It is working for me now, but it is moving painfully slow to load comments.


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    07/12/09

    @atlasfugged: I'm not even sure which one I use, it's ok now.
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    07/13/09

    @Foster Kamer: Yes, I've had that problem since the new comment system went in. Links are not live.
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    Image of ninety_nine ninety_nine
    06/14/09

    In reply to Kiss The Ring: Bank Of America Takes Mercy On Their Pitiful, Ant-Like, Broke Customers
    It should be generally noted that banks processing debits and credits in a specific order. Meaning that they take money OUT of your account FIRST, then put money in. Regulatory changes over the past couple years regarding settlement have evolved, but I don't see that stuff regularly, so I don't know what is required (some banks are 'nicer' than others). Generally, think of all daily transactions as happening after the bank closes (say, 6PM). All withdrawals (debits) -- checks, ATMs, etc., occur in order they arrive, followed by credits -- deposits, refunds, transfers -- then flow in. Generally, if you end up with a positive balance after the credits are processed, you will be okay. But if a deposited check is not fully available, you might be overdrawn (which is when your current balance and available balance are unequal). Mileage may vary, due to the type of relationship you have, the bank, etc.


    This, strictly speaking, isn't how it happens, allowing for things like deposit availability (when a check clears), but understand that if you deposit cash at 4PM Monday that covers a series of transactions from the weekend that would make you overdrawn does not guarantee you won't get hit with a bundle of overdraft fees. Rationally speaking, it should (after all, if the bank is zeroing out all your daily transactions at once, no money has been lost if you end up with a positive balance), but, you know, banks. If you imagine that an overdrawn amount as a bell that rings every time you are mathematically in the red, you can see how the bell rings five times before you cash deposit hits, and voila, 5 overdraft fees, even though by 7PM Monday your account is adequately funded.


    Until federal bank regs are overhauled so that settlement occurs immediately (something that is, generally speaking, technically viable), you can fume at banks all you want, but you can't really stop them, so keep the above in mind, since it mirrors the way accounts were processed before ATMs (this is the 'batch processing' that Gladwell was referring to in his latest opus of idiocy) and various settlement advances happened. It should generally protect you from fee problems, but also will constrain your spending. Just because online banking looks immediate and feels like it is the last word, it may well not be the case.


    Generally, avoid combo ATM/Debit cards, and use a monthly intermediary like AMEX to fund card purchasing, or online payments (like PayPal), unless you check on or manage your frequently. AMEX requires more discipline, but the liability issues about a Debit card are not worth the headache, and AMEX has excellent fraud management. When you use AMEX, you are basically withholding final settlement of your liability, which is not a bad personal policy, provided you manage your cash. It will be the only leverage you get, so take what you can, since everyone else is. Your employer makes you wait two weeks for pay, the government holds your estimated takes up to a year before issuing the refund you are due, so why shouldn't you delay final settlement as long as possible?

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    Image of Foster Kamer Foster Kamer
    06/14/09

    @ninety_nine: Don't I owe you a beer or something?
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    Image of Mediahohoho Mediahohoho
    06/13/09

    In reply to Kiss The Ring: Bank Of America Takes Mercy On Their Pitiful, Ant-Like, Broke Customers
    And I promise you these fucks are protected by every relevant congress member and senator of both parties. The ownership class of America see us all as being beneath dirt and worthy only of stealing from. Usury protection? Don't ask for help from Joe Biden or Chris Dodd. They're laughing their asses off about this.
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    06/13/09

    In reply to Kiss The Ring: Bank Of America Takes Mercy On Their Pitiful, Ant-Like, Broke Customers
    Here's a suggestion for changing the banking system permanently and making them heel to consumers: stop paying your credit card balances. Sure, if just one of us does it, they'll be screwed. If everyone does it, the banks will be fucked. As they should be. Fuck. Them.
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    06/13/09

    In reply to Kiss The Ring: Bank Of America Takes Mercy On Their Pitiful, Ant-Like, Broke Customers
    Here's what happened to me:

    - Checked my Online Banking at 2am, morning of June 9th

    - Went in to deposit $140 cash as a $575 cheque was going to be pending any day now, which would have left me $60 overdrawn without the $140

    - Put in cash, avail immediately, went back home, Online Banking statement AND branch employee says it went through

    - June 10: OB statement says $575 cheque went through on 8th (???)

    - 0.47 transaction (charge for international cancer donation, why??)

    - MBTA transaction had been pulled out on 28th June and re-posted on June 8th

    - 7 transactions rearranged from highest to lowest including cheque and processed BEFORE $140 cash went in, resulting in 6 overdraft fees


    So they fudged the date on my cheque, pulled out and put back in a transaction, and rearranged the transactions from highest to lowest to maximise their overdrafts.


    And then they tell me to use Online Banking to keep track of my fucking account!


    FUCK BofA. No sane human being can keep up with these constant mindfucks. Instead of having almost $80 in my account I am now $98 overdrawn.

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    06/15/09

    @JuliaJolie: BofA does this all the time with me, too. I check my balance before purchases or withdrawals, yet they constantly change the dates on transactions, and then by payday I'm been down nearly $100 in overdraft fees.


    Their shady "accounting" has me looking for another bank.

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    06/13/09

    In reply to Kiss The Ring: Bank Of America Takes Mercy On Their Pitiful, Ant-Like, Broke Customers
    I had an overdraft credit line with BofA for almost 15 years. It was $4600. Back years ago I did occasionally make the mistake of overdrawing my account and they gleefully charged me $3 for every $50 they put into my checking account ($50 was the minimum). Plus I would, of course, pay interest on whatever charges they made.


    But lately I have been careful, careful, careful and have been transferring money when I need to, before I need to and keep a balance in my savings and checking accounts.


    So they closed my overdraft line of credit. For "inactivity".


    I used to be able to use my ATM card like a credit card and not have to deal with putting stuff on a credit card, but now it is no longer a credit card at all. So I have no cushion whatsoever.


    To make this feel even more disempowering, this was the last credit that I had in my name only.


    And the saddest thing? We stay with BofA because we have not found another bank that isn't worse.


    You can take advantage of their low balance emails service and I highly recommend it. It is free.

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