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    Larry Craig Guilty of Cruising for Gay Sex Now and Evermore
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    01/08/09

    In reply to Larry Craig Guilty of Cruising for Gay Sex Now and Evermore
    Hmm. I would've thought Larry would have enjoyed a little bit of prison time. After dropping the soap in the prison shower a couple of times, I'm sure he could naturally claim he needed a "wide stance".
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    01/08/09

    In reply to Larry Craig Guilty of Cruising for Gay Sex Now and Evermore
    Filthy... filthy... hot...
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    Image of MincnglyWhrdL'mer MincnglyWhrdL'mer
    01/08/09

    In reply to Larry Craig Guilty of Cruising for Gay Sex Now and Evermore
    A. "...that appeared to use the restroom for it's intended use."

    you mean there's another use for public restrooms than cruising?


    B. no mention of them washing their hands.

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    01/08/09

    In reply to Larry Craig Guilty of Cruising for Gay Sex Now and Evermore
    That guy's not even lined up.
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    01/08/09

    In reply to Larry Craig Guilty of Cruising for Gay Sex Now and Evermore
    When this story broke I was totally skeeved, but then one of my oldest friends said to me, "Does 'sex in the CBGBs girls' room after half a joint laced with angel dust' ring a bell?" I had to eat crow. And buy her a lot of drinks to shut her the hell up.
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    01/08/09

    @BookishLookish: Man I want to hang out with you. You sound fun.
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    01/08/09

    @contradicto: seconded.
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    01/08/09

    In reply to Larry Craig Guilty of Cruising for Gay Sex Now and Evermore
    Yeah, but Larry called No Homo, so this is all a big misunderstanding.
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    01/08/09

    In reply to Larry Craig Guilty of Cruising for Gay Sex Now and Evermore
    It's only gay if you make eye contact.
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    01/08/09

    @siouxnyc: as in the navy, "it's only queer if you're tied to the pier"?
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    01/08/09

    In reply to Larry Craig Guilty of Cruising for Gay Sex Now and Evermore
    what could those two items redacted from the report be?


    the first one: "The IIIrd"?

    the second one: "..goddamned.."?

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    01/08/09

    In reply to Larry Craig Guilty of Cruising for Gay Sex Now and Evermore
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    01/08/09

    In reply to Larry Craig Guilty of Cruising for Gay Sex Now and Evermore
    There used to be this great little website-game (for men) where you were presented with a bunch of urinals and men using various ones and the object was to select which urinal was the most anti-homo one to use for yourself.


    I wonder if Larry ever came across it.

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    01/08/09

    @LEHLegacy: YES!! That was great. The right choice was determined using two rules. Rule 1 was choose the urinal farthest from any occupied urinal. Rule 2 was among the urinals satisfying Rule 1, choose the one farthest from the door. Ever since I saw that game, I've noticed that these rules are nearly a perfect prediction of which urinal a guy chooses in a public restroom. It's amazing.
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    01/08/09

    In reply to Larry Craig Guilty of Cruising for Gay Sex Now and Evermore
    This case puzzles me so much--not that I haven't enjoyed watching that toad Larry Craig be publicly humiliated, but isn't the entire arrest based not on anything Craig actually DID, but on what the officer assumed he WOULD do, if given the chance?
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    01/08/09

    @tewkesbury: Well, think of it this way -- if you go to buy pot, and the dealer is a cop, they don't wait for you to go home and spark that doobie, unfortunately. They arrest you right there. I don't know if that is an apt analogy, but I think it kind of works.
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    01/08/09

    @bringmemyTofu: Yeah, otherwise the officer would actually have to have sex with him in order to arrest him.
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    01/08/09

    @seyswho: "Hey man, I didn't sign up for this. This isn't why I joined the force, Captain."
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    01/08/09

    @bringmemyTofu: I'm no lawyer, but I think actually purchasing the pot would be illegal. Whereas toe-tapping in the stall may be a bit more of a legal gray area.
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    01/08/09

    @bringmemyTofu: Not a great analogy, I think, because buying pot is a crime and sucking dick isn't, maybe not even in a public restroom. How does Officer Dave know that Craig wasn't just trying to make contact with a plan to meet him outside the toilet and go have some fun in a less public place? I mean, it's not like nobody's ever done that before.


    I know a lot of Gawkerites love that a Republican senator is outed in such an embarrassing way, but the idea that the Minnesota airport police assigned this cop to sit in a men's room stall and wait to bust gay guys (who may or may not be closeted, who may or many not be Republicans) who wave at him under the divider is kind of pathetic. Also, I think, very anti-gay.

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    01/08/09

    @west ham sandwich: @DaveCrabtree: I agree. It was the best I could come up with. I think it is sad either way that he has to hide who he is. And no, I don't think it is the most important the cops could be doing at the airport - Republican or not.
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    01/08/09

    @DaveCrabtree: @west ham sandwich: Also, I am stoned and having gay sex, so it is difficult for me to come up with analogies at the moment.
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    01/08/09

    @bringmemyTofu: Really? Can we come over? I've always wondered what the name "west ham sandwich" meant. Maybe we can find out.
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    01/08/09

    @DaveCrabtree:


    Yes, but no different than undercover vice busting johns for soliciting hookers. Is that anti-hetero?


    Also, wide stance inside the stall? Wouldn't one have a wide stance at a urinal? I mean, do you have a wide stance when sitting? I don't have a penis. Enlighten me.

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    01/08/09

    @bboston88: No, that's different. Sex for money is illegal. There's no way of knowing that Craig was going to offer the cop any money. I'd think it rather unlikely, actually. Not that I have any experience in that particular situation . . .


    I'm totally with you on the wide stance, though. The pants seem to be the limiting factor.

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    01/08/09

    @DaveCrabtree: Ok. But I am warning you now, my stance is narrow.
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    01/08/09

    @DaveCrabtree: Whoa, whoa, whoa. bringmemyTofu is the one who's stoned and having gay sex. I'm just coked out and masturbating.
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    Image of DaveCrabtree DaveCrabtree
    01/08/09

    @bringmemyTofu: Well, I'll see what I can do to help you widen it.
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    01/08/09

    @west ham sandwich: Oh, you're no fun any more.
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    01/08/09

    @bringmemyTofu: I'm also not an attorney, but I think that it would probably up to the judge -- or the jury, if Craig were to request a jury trial -- if s/he (or they) interpreted the toe tapping as a sign for sex.


    Of course, there may be a similar case in Minn. that provides some sort of precedent. Were there similar cases? How did the courts handle them? What was their reasoning?


    My take on this: If there was an undercover cop in this bathroom with a knowledge of the signals, i.e., a (minor) sting operation, then one can bet that the cops probably knew what they were doing legally because they devoted so much time and energy to it. But, time and time again, we've seen police go rogue.


    I could Westlaw this, but it hardly seems worth it. This is why they have newspapers in Minnesota.

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    01/08/09

    @i'm_a_bottle: Idaho, Idaho.
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    01/08/09

    In reply to Larry Craig Guilty of Cruising for Gay Sex Now and Evermore
    Dave Karsnia:


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    01/08/09

    @NotChoinski: He's pretty cute, actually.
    At least Senator Closetcase has good taste.
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    01/08/09

    @katastic: And he looks gay too. One can see how the mistake was made. But honestly, did Larry Craig really think that this cutie would legitimately want to suck his wrinkly old cock?
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    01/08/09

    @seyswho: Hope springs eternal.


    Hmmm. Do you think he's gay? I would really like him to, uh, frisk me.

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    01/08/09

    @katastic: Hehehe. One could only hope!
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    01/08/09

    @seyswho: Actually, I remember from various articles he was engaged to be married at the time of the sting, and didn't like the sudden attention.
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    01/08/09

    @NotChoinski: Seduced By Officer Twink: The Larry Craig Story
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    01/08/09

    @NotChoinski: Ahh, Minnesota. My home is known for indecisive senate elections, gay sex in the bathrooms, and seductive cops in said bathrooms. Oh, and Prince.
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    01/08/09

    @NotChoinski: He wore Axe. Larry Craig was helpless.
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    01/08/09

    @NotChoinski: I know someone who looks like him, and he, at least, is gay.
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    01/08/09

    In reply to Larry Craig Guilty of Cruising for Gay Sex Now and Evermore
    There's always the habeas petition.


    Of course, I've always wondered - how one can have a wider stance than the pant width.

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    01/08/09

    In reply to Larry Craig Guilty of Cruising for Gay Sex Now and Evermore
    Let it stand (widely).
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    01/08/09

    In reply to Larry Craig Guilty of Cruising for Gay Sex Now and Evermore
    I hate it when people pee like that. You have aim over their leg when you're crowding up next to them and breathing heavily and making inappropriate conversation about urine.
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    01/08/09

    @Colonel Mustard: Yeah, especially in your own home.
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    01/08/09

    @BadUncle: HA!
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    01/08/09

    @Colonel Mustard: Then maybe you should try not breathing heavily and making inappropriate conversation?
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    01/08/09

    @Colonel Mustard: Try this: "Back off, pal. Pee time is me time."
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