Page Pix wrote a Just Asking blind item on Edwards-Hunter, including the promised marriage, before the Nat Inq was even on the story and a year before the MSM touched it. Also, Mickey Kaus was all over it for ages. Half of trendoid NY knew the story too also before the Nat Inq picked it up because Hunter was telling all her pals and they are relentless gossips. How the Times didn't know about it then is simply pathetic. Just saying....
As I've posted here over the time frame of this situation, the affair and child have been no secret down here locally. The area newspaper and TV knew as well but no one wanted to touch it until the Enquirer opened up the can of worms. The tide turned on John awhile ago though - starting with building that massive house of his.
A lot of people really believed him in here and are PISSED off still. Folks are stunned Elizabeth opened up a furniture store in town. I say more power to her, whatever she wants to do in the time she has.
And Foster dropping a Roy reference (huzzah, in roy we trust)! I can remember seeing them at UNC games and people would oooh and ahhh. Doesn't happen anymore and the Edwards go to a lot less games anyway.
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@Charlotte Rae's Web: He came and talked to one of my classes when I was at UNC, and we were all so impressed and excited (it was right after the 2004 election). Now, like you said, we can't even stand to look at him.
@katekate is squared: He was golden then. I'm about 20 mins away now but my folks still live in CH - both grew up in town and never left. They would see the Edwards at social/charity events but now, they never ever see them.
@Charlotte Rae's Web: I'm also from North Carolina and was very active with the state Dems up until the time of Edwards' election and I have to say that even as a Senator, he was never a "favorite son". He was just the guy who beat Lauch Faircloth, right about the time, the "Congressional Club" disintegrated.
He won his Senate seat because he was in the right place at the right time and rose to national attention because Al Gore, also had a house on Bald Head.
@Charlotte Rae's Web: I'm originally from the Triangle and was educated at Chapel Hill.
Before Edwards announced his candidacy for the Senate, pretty much no one knew him and that includes hard-core, old-time Democrats.
I'm sure he was popular on Franklin St. and within the other city limits of the region (see an N&O study from the election season), but he didn't run for re-election because he would've had a hard time winning the state and that theoretically would've diminished his star.
He may have been popular in his hometown (the Triangle), but he was never North Carolina's "favorite son". As for who might hold that title, Michael Jordan comes to mind.
It's strange, being from NC you'd think he'd have opted for Ben Folds Five... so in that regard, methinks SHE is the DMB fan and he was just trying to say whatever he could to make her horny/content/whatever. Just like a politician :[]
John Edwards seems to capture almost everything that is wrong with politics in a single neat package. And to the person who wrote that now that she's no longer a voter, it doesn't interest her anymore, it might be helpful to remember that "letting time go by" is a technique used by these guys ("I'll swear it's not true now, and then 4 years from now when nobody cares anymore, I'll admit the truth.") It's a strategy. We need to hold their feet to the fire whether it's 4 years from now, or 14. Not in some weird kind of revenge way, but as a message that "Hey, let's manipulate time" won't fly as a technique.
@DudleyHaemon: All I was saying is that his sexual proclivities do not interest me because they in no way render a possible "tanking" of the presidential ticket because of their scandal-worthiness in the eyes of others. If I was voting, I would care, because I'd want to pick the liberal candidate most likely to win and still carry my beliefs to the White House, and also who wasn't a liar. He has been proven a liar now, so he would not get my vote.
If we cross over into the parallel universe where Americans are no longer moralizing others' personal lives and he is able to run for the presidency again,I'll reestablish my vested interest and voice my opinion on his ethics with my vote. As it stands, I remain steadfast that I do not give a shit what he does personally, the fact that he broke campaign finance laws is more important to me, and would decide my vote, which doesn't matter anyway, because in the immortal words of Kristen Cavallari, he's dunzo.
Homebody dropped out of the race before this broke nationally, the scandal itself is post-politics even if the events were not, and that's the end of that. The only way we should be able to punish him for his moral misdeeds is by not voting for him, which is a non-issue now, and the only he can be punished for his criminal misdeeds is via a grand jury, which is doing their job, a job that isn't ours. I love that people have such an interest in readjusting the morals of others by force. Hold him to that fire, goddamnit, I hope you save us all.
Imagine if he had been elected, with a bastard child and a wife who, the cancer thing aside, evidently aspired to be the next Hillary once upon a time. It was left to Geraldo, a few weeks ago, to say the obvious: what would have happened if he was President now and the Chinese knew about his secret? Or North Korea? Or Iran? Or Russia?
And who was trying so hard to push him into the White House and what did they know about the kid? And who would they have told? And for what price?
This could well be a very big headache for the Democrats a year or so from now.
@mladen: Can people shut the fuck up with the "bastard child" thing? Actually it's handy, people referring to a child as a "bastard" unironically make their motives known quickly in this context. And their mean-spiritedness.
Imagine! Let's just imagine! If Edwards were President (which he was far from ever being) why, the Republic would collapse when this whore paraded the baby for tabloids!
And don't make me laugh- everything is a "headache" for Democrats. Always, every single thing is presented as a "problem" for them in the media. Yet Republicans walk on water with their paid toady Beltway scribes, and it's always a sunny tomorrow for them. While their operatives are quite literally trying to incite a race war, and the GOP shows itself as white, aging, pinched, bitter, and rather hateful, with no new ideas, just resentment and nastiness with a racist tinge.
But of course, "this may be bad news for the Democrats!" always gets play, without any factual looking at what's happening. Someone said the Beltway media is "wired for Republican rule", and it's rather fucking true. They can do no wrong, and Dems can do no right.
@Baroness: The handwringing about the "what-ifs" is indeed overwrought. And the Republicans do seem to get a lot more passes for their shitheel behavior that Democrats. But I personally don't see this as a story about a Democrat -- he's just a shit who happens to have been a Democrat and he deserves to be pilloried for being the scumbag that he is.
@Baroness: thank you. yes to all. if edwards were my husband, he'd have a lot of explaining to do. i still support his message when he was a candidate -- the only one to place social justice front and center
He's worse than any Dave Matthews-listening, hemp necklace-wearing, upper-middle-class-living, jeep grand cherokee-driving Fairfield Prep kid I ever dated.
The other shoe has finally dropped. Every one with eyes and common sense knew that the child was his. Even his poor wife said she didn't know rather than sticking with his story of "there's no way it could be mine".
However, in the interview Elizabeth did with Oprah, she said she didn't think John was preparing for a life with Rielle after her death. Now I don't think even she can deny that was exactly the case. Sure, he could have been lying to keep her quiet and stringing her along but I doubt that. The Enquirer has been dead on accurate, and they reported that he pleaded with her to keep the baby. Why else would he do that if he didn't plan on having her in his life forever? The guy is a first class sleaze bag.
"For successfully destroying Edwards, a pro-union, pro- health care reform Democrat. Karl Rove could not be more pleased."
Sorry, but nobody destroyed Edwards other then Edwards himself.
I'm sure you'd have written the exact same comment about Newt Gingrich, given the similarities. (Newt didn't have a bastard child, and didn't have an ambulance chaser to cover his payoffs, but close enough.)
Typical Gawker-esque hypocrisy in action; you must post on Jezebel. "You'd vote for universal coverage, Senator? Oh, go ahead and fool around on your sick wife then."
I think the most insane part of this is the inclusion of Bunny Mellon. She was one of Jackie Kennedy's best friends, and designed the White House rose garden (as well as the one outside the East Wing now known as the Jacqueline Kennedy Garden). My great-aunt was a contemporary of hers and socialized with her often in the 1960's; the woman is almost a hundred years old!
That mesmerizing bit of gossip aside (shocked!), I still don't know that I care about any of this. It no longer affects me since he is no longer running for office and I am therefor no longer an invested voter, and this sort of salacious detail worship seems to do nothing but engender a climate of moralizing, which I also do not care for, really. I guess what I'm saying is that if campaign money was used to bribe her, then yes, there should be a criminal trial and someone should be punished. But the details of his personal affair, what went on between him and her outside of that bizarre financial exchange, mean nothing to me. Schadenfreude failure on my part, I know.
Andrew Young has every right to write this book, and various news outlets can cover his allegations, but I'm sorry, it makes me ill. We all know that Edwards is a sleazy douchebag, even without confirmation that he's the father of Rielle Hunter's kid (and didn't we know that anyway?). At this point, having these stories come out helps no one. All it does is hurt Elizabeth Edwards and, to a much greater extent, her children, especially the youngest two. It is not their fault that their father is a jackass, but they are going to be raised by that jackass. I am sure that they love their father and I am sure that he loves them. But it is much easier to love your flawed parents when their flaws aren't trumpeted by every news organization on the planet. These kids are going to lose their mother. Thanks to their father's stupid decisions their relationship with him, their perception of him, is probably already damaged unalterably. I guess what I'm saying is this story is not new and I wish people would leave it alone, for the sake of all of John Edwards's kids.
@robina: No. This was not some private reckoning that was limited to John Edwards and his immediate family. Recall that he was at one time a supposed "major" candidate for President. You think that every one of his top aides/advisors/staffers were completely in the dark? Please. They let/helped him campaign full speed ahead knowing that these secrets were lurking in the shadows. The sloppy vetting of Sarah Palin would have been peanuts compared to this if he had done any better at the polls.
@Phyllis Nefler: If he still had any standing or influence in national politics, I'd agree with you. I'm glad that there is an official investigation going on, because if anyone broke the law, they should face the consequences. But this is not the official investigation. This is a former aide cashing in on what he knew, heedless of the effect his actions might have on people who are completely innocent (much like his former boss). It doesn't serve anyone to learn that John Edwards made smarmy, disgusting promises to his mistress; knowing that he's a fan of the Dave Matthews Band doesn't affect my opinion of him. He is the dead horse of American politics, and the media are beating the crap out of him with glee.
@Phyllis Nefler: But does that mean we need to know that he promised his mistress he would marry her after his wife died? There is information that should be part of the public discourse. The public lies, potential financial misdoings. But there is also gossip that we don't need to know and it doesn't help any of the children in the picture, including the baby.
@robina: I agree with you. And it was a very long shot that Edwards would have been nominated. I don't like seeing this adding to the pile on, that this would be erupting now if he were President- so we should be extra mad at him. Sorry, can't.
Speculative. He's out of office, not running for anything.
@Lymed (and Baroness): Yes, I get the point that what's said is said (slash done and done) and there's no reason to add kindling to the flame. But he still has not admitted paternity despite an almost comical case against him (or for him, however you see fit) and until he makes a statement he's going to remain vulnerable to -- and in some ways, deserving of -- this sort of murmuring. And them's the breaks in America/politics/public life/our sad 21st century/etc.
@Baroness: i'd say his nomination was perhaps a long shot (i'd leave off the very, because he did participate in the last debates before it was a two person race, so someone somewhere thought he was viable enough for that), but he was a serious contender for running mate, and a virtual shoe-in for a cabinet position (ag anyone?)
edwards is joke, a fraud, a liar, and an evil man.
I know that the feminist in me is supposed to loathe John Edwards but I don't. I think Rielle (slut name!) is totally skeezy and Edwards said whatever he needed to get continuously into those polyester KMart slacks of hers. Dave Matthews and all.
@Cunning_Linguist: No, it's not about hating anyone. But he is JUST as responsible as she is. Saying she has a "slut name" and otherwise insulting her while basically giving him a free pass (I should loathe him but I don't) is ridiculous.
@katekate is squared: The slut name thing was a joke. I do think she's sleazy, but there's nothing in my comment that says I consider him clean as a whistle in all this either.
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His wife he was willing to hurl;
For his younger lover
Dave Matthews will cover
The wedding song "Dad's Little Girl."
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How F'd up is that?
09/20/09
A lot of people really believed him in here and are PISSED off still. Folks are stunned Elizabeth opened up a furniture store in town. I say more power to her, whatever she wants to do in the time she has.
And Foster dropping a Roy reference (huzzah, in roy we trust)! I can remember seeing them at UNC games and people would oooh and ahhh. Doesn't happen anymore and the Edwards go to a lot less games anyway.
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He won his Senate seat because he was in the right place at the right time and rose to national attention because Al Gore, also had a house on Bald Head.
09/21/09
Lauch was a weak candidate, a cranky good ole boy up against a rich pretty one was an easy win.
09/22/09
Before Edwards announced his candidacy for the Senate, pretty much no one knew him and that includes hard-core, old-time Democrats.
I'm sure he was popular on Franklin St. and within the other city limits of the region (see an N&O study from the election season), but he didn't run for re-election because he would've had a hard time winning the state and that theoretically would've diminished his star.
He may have been popular in his hometown (the Triangle), but he was never North Carolina's "favorite son". As for who might hold that title, Michael Jordan comes to mind.
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If we cross over into the parallel universe where Americans are no longer moralizing others' personal lives and he is able to run for the presidency again,I'll reestablish my vested interest and voice my opinion on his ethics with my vote. As it stands, I remain steadfast that I do not give a shit what he does personally, the fact that he broke campaign finance laws is more important to me, and would decide my vote, which doesn't matter anyway, because in the immortal words of Kristen Cavallari, he's dunzo.
Homebody dropped out of the race before this broke nationally, the scandal itself is post-politics even if the events were not, and that's the end of that. The only way we should be able to punish him for his moral misdeeds is by not voting for him, which is a non-issue now, and the only he can be punished for his criminal misdeeds is via a grand jury, which is doing their job, a job that isn't ours. I love that people have such an interest in readjusting the morals of others by force. Hold him to that fire, goddamnit, I hope you save us all.
09/20/09
Imagine if he had been elected, with a bastard child and a wife who, the cancer thing aside, evidently aspired to be the next Hillary once upon a time. It was left to Geraldo, a few weeks ago, to say the obvious: what would have happened if he was President now and the Chinese knew about his secret? Or North Korea? Or Iran? Or Russia?
And who was trying so hard to push him into the White House and what did they know about the kid? And who would they have told? And for what price?
This could well be a very big headache for the Democrats a year or so from now.
09/20/09
Imagine! Let's just imagine! If Edwards were President (which he was far from ever being) why, the Republic would collapse when this whore paraded the baby for tabloids!
And don't make me laugh- everything is a "headache" for Democrats. Always, every single thing is presented as a "problem" for them in the media. Yet Republicans walk on water with their paid toady Beltway scribes, and it's always a sunny tomorrow for them. While their operatives are quite literally trying to incite a race war, and the GOP shows itself as white, aging, pinched, bitter, and rather hateful, with no new ideas, just resentment and nastiness with a racist tinge.
But of course, "this may be bad news for the Democrats!" always gets play, without any factual looking at what's happening. Someone said the Beltway media is "wired for Republican rule", and it's rather fucking true. They can do no wrong, and Dems can do no right.
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so he cheated. so fucking what.
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However, in the interview Elizabeth did with Oprah, she said she didn't think John was preparing for a life with Rielle after her death. Now I don't think even she can deny that was exactly the case. Sure, he could have been lying to keep her quiet and stringing her along but I doubt that. The Enquirer has been dead on accurate, and they reported that he pleaded with her to keep the baby. Why else would he do that if he didn't plan on having her in his life forever? The guy is a first class sleaze bag.
09/20/09
Sorry, but nobody destroyed Edwards other then Edwards himself.
I'm sure you'd have written the exact same comment about Newt Gingrich, given the similarities. (Newt didn't have a bastard child, and didn't have an ambulance chaser to cover his payoffs, but close enough.)
Typical Gawker-esque hypocrisy in action; you must post on Jezebel. "You'd vote for universal coverage, Senator? Oh, go ahead and fool around on your sick wife then."
(And yes, you've read too much Gore Vidal.)
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Ps. Worst screen name ever.
09/20/09
That mesmerizing bit of gossip aside (shocked!), I still don't know that I care about any of this. It no longer affects me since he is no longer running for office and I am therefor no longer an invested voter, and this sort of salacious detail worship seems to do nothing but engender a climate of moralizing, which I also do not care for, really. I guess what I'm saying is that if campaign money was used to bribe her, then yes, there should be a criminal trial and someone should be punished. But the details of his personal affair, what went on between him and her outside of that bizarre financial exchange, mean nothing to me. Schadenfreude failure on my part, I know.
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Speculative. He's out of office, not running for anything.
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edwards is joke, a fraud, a liar, and an evil man.
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