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    Image of lacieca01 lacieca01
    09/28/09

    In reply to Will Clinton's "Conspiracy" Comments Hurt Obama?
    Weren't you paying attention, Belonsky?
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    Image of DevilsAvocado DevilsAvocado
    09/28/09

    In reply to Will Clinton's "Conspiracy" Comments Hurt Obama?
    Since when did 'Bill' become 'Will'?
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    Image of lionel-mandrake lionel-mandrake
    09/28/09

    In reply to Will Clinton's "Conspiracy" Comments Hurt Obama?
    For some reason I'm craving cheap air jordan retro shoes.
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    Image of badasscat badasscat
    09/28/09

    In reply to Will Clinton's "Conspiracy" Comments Hurt Obama?
    A conspiracy is simply two or more people working together in secret to achieve a common goal.

    If anyone thinks that *doesn't* describe the Republicans, and hasn't *always* described the Republicans going back at least to the days of Nixon, then I don't know what word does describe them.

    And the only thing that keeps the Democrats from having a "vast left-wing conspiracy" is that they're so inept at working together.
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    Image of ShanghaiLil ShanghaiLil
    09/28/09

    In reply to Will Clinton's "Conspiracy" Comments Hurt Obama?
    Are you sure Ann didn't just decide to change her panties for the new week?
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    Image of meechybee meechybee
    09/27/09

    In reply to Will Clinton's "Conspiracy" Comments Hurt Obama?
    If a vast conspiracy is ever going to take root anywhere, it's going to be in the fertile ground of conservative paranoia. Trying to get liberals to agree on anything is like trying to herd cats.

    The relentless drumbeat of whispers and "people say" is something I've been dreading about having a Democratic administration. The open-ended investigation of the Clintons lasted nearly his entire presidency and was nothing more than a politically-motivated game of gotcha. The investigations started with Whitewater, then morphed to failed S&L, a defunct law firm, Vince Foster, travel office, Paula Jones, an ultimately Monica. All along Starr was given endless funding and an open book on the Clinton's personal lives. Six years and $40 million taxpayer dollars later all he had was a blue Gap dress.

    When I get depressed about politics, I re-watch Frontline's documentary on Watergate. Watching Nixon actively obstruct justice, tamper with evidence, attempt to fire the special prosecutor (Saturday Night Massacre), pay off CIA-goons with unlimited and unrecorded campaign funds, and have an executive privilege stand-off with the Congress and effectively negate the Constitution really puts bullshit like "the birthers" into perspective.
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    Image of Baroness Baroness
    09/27/09

    In reply to Will Clinton's "Conspiracy" Comments Hurt Obama?
    Oh, well if it's David Gregory who has bravely chosen to ask Clinton whether he's crazy, or merely insane to think that right wing sorts spent millions in a campaign to destroy him, culminating in the Lewinsky affair that was a fuckfest of misdirection as 9/11 loomed - well that's worthy of attention!

    Gregory is a smirking chimp. Clinton was a fine President who left the country a better place than he found it. Belonsky is a person writing things on the Internet, relaying right-wing talking points for Gawker. Because of course, we revere our elders, and whatever a former president says is always bad news for the Democrats, whatever it is.

    Uh, the very existence of the endless rightwing attack dogs as profiled on the front of the NYT yesterday, and the very nonstop virulent wackness funded by conservative sources, relayed and echoed on the internet, FOX pumping venom onto the media discourse relentlessly..

    Oh yeah, Clinton is the crazy one. There aren't vast resources looking to destroy Obama, there isn't a 24-hour cable channel hating him nonstop. There isn't an array of corporate forces arrayed against health care reform lest their billions evaporate.

    Yeah, Clinton is crazy to say that there's a right wing conspiracy to destroy initiatives like they almost destroyed him. That there are powerful forces out to destroy Obama, and his attempts to change the status quo- where the middle class is strapped to hell by health care costs alone.

    Yeah, how crazy Clinton is to speak of the fucking truth- corporations have been squeezing the fucking life out of this country, they did try to destroy him, and Obama is their next target to bring down.

    How in the fuck is Clinton speaking his mind going to make it worse for the Democrats? Above and beyond the relentless efforts of Obama's enemies, where they've already entertained whether he's the Antichrist?

    Everything is always bad for Democrats, people. Always. And everything is always spun as great for Republicans. No matter what it is.
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    Image of lionel-mandrake lionel-mandrake
    09/27/09

    In reply to Will Clinton's "Conspiracy" Comments Hurt Obama?
    This "conspiracy" Clinton speaks of? I believe we call it "politics".
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    Image of Astigmatism Astigmatism
    09/27/09

    @lionel-mandrake: Check-plus.
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    Image of anonymousryan anonymousryan
    09/27/09

    In reply to Will Clinton's "Conspiracy" Comments Hurt Obama?
    Conspiracy implies some form of secrecy. I don't think there's any secret that the right-wing opposes Obama simply because of who he is (either because he's a liberal or a black person) and will use every dirty trick to undermine his agenda.
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    Image of Magister Magister
    09/27/09

    In reply to Will Clinton's "Conspiracy" Comments Hurt Obama?
    "Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy" - Exhibit One:
    "The Lie Machine" in this month's Rolling Stone.

    It's not really an inspirational article and doesn't break a lot of new ground, but it does bring several pieces of the health care debate into perspective and if nothing else, it paints a conspiracy.
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    Image of Helio Helio
    07/13/09

    In reply to Old Man Lamely Defends the Goldbricking Defeatist He Coronated
    as much as I disagree with their agenda, I can not help but to admire the republican party's ability to effectively disseminate their message no matter how obviously manufactured and it may be. "She didn't quit! She changed priorities!" And in no time at all, every politician/talk show host will say it and miraculously, the definition of resigned is the opposite of what it has meant for centuries.



    democrats talk shit all the time too, but they can never collectively get their story straight. Oh, if only air america hadn't crumbled into dust.
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    Image of Pinekatz Pinekatz
    07/13/09

    In reply to Old Man Lamely Defends the Goldbricking Defeatist He Coronated
    Cajun, your paragraph #3 will be the historical legacy. Palin is an opportunist. She tried to ride the coat tails of an American Hero and she killed his dream. No one in her party wants to admit a misjudgment. So be it. But for anyone to keep defending her, why why why! She is a parasite. Conservatives - keep looking. There have got to be some big thinkers out there. She isn't one of them. She is a cul-de-sac of hope.
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    Edited by Pinekatz at 07/13/09 12:31 AM Pinekatz was starred Pinekatz was unstarred
    Image of Pinekatz Pinekatz
    07/13/09

    @Pinekatz: AND, she's a quitter. Oy. She either quit because it was hard or she quit for personal gain. Either way, it was terrible. I'd rather see someone I disagree with try hard to do what they believe is right in our American political world than quit when it gets hard. I can't even do that. To quit for money? That's unthinkable.


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    Edited by Pinekatz at 07/13/09 12:36 AM Pinekatz was starred Pinekatz was unstarred
    Image of kimsama kimsama
    07/13/09

    @Pinekatz: Good point -- how many republicans are really willing to have her as a running mate after seeing how decisively she aided in McCain's destruction? I mean, I know that the GOP won't publicly say anything doubting her, but how seriously does anyone think she'll be 2nd on the top ticket? Or at the top of a ticket?



    I have the feeling that the GOP keeps her around for the same reason they keep Limbaugh -- it riles up the base. The base that probably accepts her byzantine reasons for stepping down as pure gospel. But I can't see the actual leaders of the GOP (ahem, assuming there are any, at this point) seeing her move as anything but bizarre and erratic, and I don't think they'll be taking the chance again of having her on their top ticket.



    But, again, that's assuming there's actually someone at the top orchestrating all the Orwellian double-speak. Maybe no one's driving the cart anymore, and the horses are just running how they've been trained.
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    Edited by kimsama at 07/13/09 9:20 AM kimsama was starred kimsama was unstarred
    Image of edosan edosan
    07/13/09

    @Pinekatz: Hey, McCain quit his campaign for a while to fix the economy.



    Glad that worked out for him.
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    Image of shag_carpet_bomb shag_carpet_bomb
    07/14/09

    @edosan: and the economy...
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    Image of Dagrolord Dagrolord
    07/13/09

    In reply to Old Man Lamely Defends the Goldbricking Defeatist He Coronated
    I was certain that the cloud to the silver lining of Sarah Palin's announcement that she was resigning as Alaska's governor would be John McCain face time during the inevitable interviews as to the McCain take on the resignation of the Gubernatorial Goober.



    Even so, I'd much rather John McCain be obliviously defending his running mate choice than anywhere near the button as President. Anybody remember that this swaggering buffoon actually led Obama in the RCP national average polls going into mid-September 2008?
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    Edited by Dagrolord at 07/13/09 12:17 AM Dagrolord was starred Dagrolord was unstarred
    Image of Claire Buoyant Claire Buoyant
    07/13/09

    @Dagrolord: That was just the post-convention bounce, though.



    There is no silver lining. Sarah Palin is not leaving politics -- which actually confuses me, because I thought one of the points teased out of her incoherent speech was that she was leaving politics. Ah, it must be that mean-ol' media lying to me again.



    BTW, this is an entertaining read. Lock up your pets when Sarah's around, folks, and not because she'll shoot them from the air, either!
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    Edited by Claire Buoyant at 07/13/09 12:44 AM Claire Buoyant was starred Claire Buoyant was unstarred
    Image of MissNormaDesmond MissNormaDesmond
    07/13/09

    @Claire Buoyant: Eh, she may try to re-enter politics, but she's hamstrung herself. If there had been any possibility of her being taken seriously as a national candidate in the future, it's gone now.



    I'm adoring this inability to course correct on the part of Republicans. They're waist deep in the Big Muddy, and the big fools keep pushing on.
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    Image of PaisleyPajamas PaisleyPajamas
    07/13/09

    @Claire Buoyant: Heh. The term "word salad" is indeed a clinical term and is often applied to people in the earliest stages of a stroke. I can see why Palin is so paranoid of bloggers, et.al. It probably does cause a "stroke" of sorts to have these folks air her dirty laundry so abundantly, filled with big words and mashups, lacking in sports analogies.
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    Image of ChillbearLatrigue ChillbearLatrigue
    07/12/09

    In reply to Old Man Lamely Defends the Goldbricking Defeatist He Coronated
    I hate to make this point. As much as I support the Republican agenda and loathe the social engineering that I currently see occurring, this confirms for me that the Republicans chose an embarrassingly weak ticket. Admit that you made a mistake, Senator McCain.
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    Image of The Cajun Boy The Cajun Boy
    07/13/09

    @ChillbearLatrigue: Absolutely. There is no shame in admitting a mistake. However, there is plenty in continuing to deny something so blatantly obvious.
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    Image of lobstr lobstr
    07/12/09

    In reply to Old Man Lamely Defends the Goldbricking Defeatist He Coronated
    "historical legacy looked upon with almost universal esteem by future generations, destroyed by one horrendously God-awful decision."



    hm.. I dunno, I think there was a lot more shit about him beyond his Palin pick that made his chances an uphill battle. Him being an olde, Bush royally fucking up the image of the Republican party, and the general awesomeness that was Obama are all pretty campaign-crumbling contributors.
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    Image of rumpofsteelskin rumpofsteelskin
    07/12/09

    @lobstr: Yah, McCain's legacy was I think derailed back in 2000 when Karl Rove, W. Bush, etc. screwed him over during his first bid for the Republican nomination.
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    Image of The Cajun Boy The Cajun Boy
    07/12/09

    @lobstr: I see your point, and I knew this assertion would be challenged by some commenters. Let me elaborate further...Before he ran for president in 2008, McCain had successfully washed away some of the stains that had been embedded into the tapestry of his career. He was liked and respected by people on both sides of the aisle. Perhaps most importantly, the press, the very people who write history, LOVED him. I really think he shot that all to shit with Palin and doesn't have enough time left to make up for it, if that's even possible. So there. Just my worthless point of view.
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    Image of The Cajun Boy The Cajun Boy
    07/12/09

    @dontread: Yeah but that wasn't his doing and all the shit they threw at him didn't stick over the long haul, even though it did stick long enough to derail him back then.
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    Image of DennyCrane DennyCrane
    07/12/09

    @The Cajun Boy: I think part of the reason he was so well-liked in the press was his "maverick" status - going against the Bush administration on items such as campaign finance, and being able to tell it like it is to a quote-hungry press corps. I think that was shot to hell during the campaign before he even picked Palin, as he essentially co-opted the Bush policy handbook because he so badly wanted GOP support in the 2008 election (a stance which eventually led TO the Palin pick).



    I guess what I'm trying to say is it wasn't the Palin pick itself that doomed him, it was his wholesale drinking of the Bill Kristol Kool-Aid that led to the pick that doomed him.
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    Image of If_I_Had_a_Poodle If_I_Had_a_Poodle
    07/13/09

    @The Cajun Boy: what u said. exactly. josh marshall at talkingpointsmemo.com was ruthless and correct in talking about how much the old mainstream press hacks loved mccain and his bbq shindigs; even wonkette traded her integrity for a mess of wings (she kind of got it back). and then mccain revealed more and more of his pettyness, meanness, total lack of a clue with each passing day of the campaign and then made it grandly undeniable to all when he picked his running mate. there was a deep allegory in there on his character: the instability, grandiosity, and also on his intellect: weak weak weak. a spoiled little boy wanting his next toy.
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    Edited by If_I_Had_a_Poodle at 07/13/09 12:01 AM If_I_Had_a_Poodle was starred If_I_Had_a_Poodle was unstarred
    Image of If_I_Had_a_Poodle If_I_Had_a_Poodle
    07/13/09

    @DennyCrane: a mavericjy mavericky maverick maverick. except it was mostly smoke and lies. he called himself one, and the press quoted him calling himself one, and that was about all there was to it. let's not forget the keating five, when he pretty much led the bamboozling and the lying and the stealing and the coverup



    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five



    he U.S. Savings and Loan crisis of the 1980s and early 1990s was the failure of 747 savings and loan associations (S&Ls) in the United States. The ultimate cost of the crisis is estimated to have totaled around $160.1 billion, about $124.6 billion of which was directly paid for by the U.S. taxpayer.[1] The accompanying slowdown in the finance industry and the real estate market may have been a contributing cause of the 1990-1991 economic recession. Between 1986 and 1991, the number of new homes constructed per year dropped from 1.8 million to 1 million, the lowest rate since World War II.[2]



    The Keating Five scandal was prompted by the activities of one particular savings and loan: Lincoln Savings and Loan Association of Irvine, California. Lincoln's chairman was Charles Keating, who ultimately served five years in prison for his corrupt mismanagement of Lincoln.[3] In the four years after Keating's American Continental Corporation (ACC) had purchased Lincoln in 1984, Lincoln's assets had increased from $1.1 billion to $5.5 billion.[4] Such savings and loan associations had been deregulated in the early 1980s, allowing them to make highly risky investments with their depositors' money. Keating and other savings and loan operators took advantage of this deregulation.[4][5] Savings and loans established connections to many members of Congress, by supplying them with needed funds for campaigns through legal donations.[5] Lincoln's particular investments took the form of buying land, taking equity positions in real estate development projects, and buying high-yield junk bonds.[6

    .... On April 9, 1987, a two-hour meeting[4] with three members of the FHLBB San Francisco branch was held, again in DeConcini's office, to discuss the government's investigation of Lincoln.[7][11] Present were Cranston, DeConcini, Glenn, McCain, and additionally Riegle.[7] The regulators felt that the meeting was very unusual and that they were being pressured by a united front, as the senators presented their reasons for having the meeting.[7] DeConcini began the meeting by saying, "We wanted to meet with you because we have determined that potential actions of yours could injure a constituent."[13] McCain said, "One of our jobs as elected officials is to help constituents in a proper fashion. ACC [American Continental Corporation] is a big employer and important to the local economy. I wouldn't want any special favors for them.... I don't want any part of our conversation to be improper." Glenn said, "To be blunt, you should charge them or get off their backs," while DeConcini said, "What's wrong with this if they're willing to clean up their act? ... It's very unusual for us to have a company that could be put out of business by its regulators."[7] The regulators then revealed that Lincoln was under criminal investigation on a variety of serious charges, at which point McCain severed all relations with Keating.[7]
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    Edited by If_I_Had_a_Poodle at 07/13/09 12:16 AM If_I_Had_a_Poodle was starred If_I_Had_a_Poodle was unstarred
    Image of VoxPopuli VoxPopuli
    07/13/09

    @The Cajun Boy: Yes, agree. Plus this last time he really chose to compromise his beliefs rather than being the victim of an outside smear.



    By the way, I don't think I've yet mentioned that it's a pleasure to see you back. I know you've been back for a few weeks now, but it's nice to see Olde Gawker crew around again.

    (Which is not meant as a slight to the new bunch, btw)
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    07/13/09

    @VoxPopuli: I always read Cajun Boy, he my favourite!
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    Image of The Cajun Boy The Cajun Boy
    07/13/09

    @VoxPopuli: @dontread: Awww, YOU GUYS!!!
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    07/13/09

    @The Cajun Boy: In other news, the new Gawker commenting system favors loose flattery. Hopefully, this will not ruin our beloved Acadian Lad, the Noblest and Deftest of Contributing Editors, and one of the most handsome and intelligent adventurers to ever use a keyboard and mouse.
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    07/13/09

    @The Cajun Boy: Naw, you right about all that -- but while some of the neutral press LOVED McCain, most of the press JIZZED WATER-TANKS-FULL-of-IRIDESCENT-ECSTASY for Obama. Head-to-head despite the VP pick, it was to be no fucking contest.



    Plus, I think people started to tire of the standard out-of-touch Olde sittin' there with his typewriter and slide-rule running a country full of people who use electronic communication just to say "good morning" to their spouses :[]
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