I was just thinking about this the other day when I was rewatching Heathers. You don't see young men with darkness clearly in their hearts the way you used to. Or if you do, they are a bully or esoteric artist type. Maybe it's a Columbine thing.
♪ There's a place in the world for the awkward young man
With ironic t-shirts and one liners in hand
He refuses to speak up and mumbles his lines
He is scrawny and weak and overly kind
And his girlfriend's so out of his league, it's obscene
Is Michael Cera the man of anyone's dreams?
But he likes to be known as the awkward young man... ♪
This post is just so offensive. Who would have thought that Defamer would be criticising men for not being "masculine" enough. Teasing Michael Cera for not having genitals because, what, he's skinny and plays shy quiet characters.
And you seem to believe that women aren't receiving real pleasure unless they submit to a dominant male with a six pack whose not afraid to beat up on you.
Are you at all self-aware of the gender sterotypes you are perpetuating?
@Brad Nguyen: Most of the thoughtful, sensitive boys I know, who are frustrated about this kind of thing, only wanna date girls who look like Zooey Deschanel, Kristin Stewart or Natalie Portman. The ones who don't, secretly harbour crushes on Megan Fox or Jessica Simpson... This is kinda painful for the thoughtful, sensitive, less striking girls. I just wanted to point out the potential raging hypocrisy here. Also, get a sense of humour.
I don't know if there's any truth to this but I once heard that after 'It Happened One Night' came out sales of sleeveless white undershirts soared because of Clark Gable's topless scene!
Here, I'll let Michel warm you up until I get back from caber toss:
"If repression has indeed been the fundamental link between power, knowledge, and sexuality since the classical age, it stands to reason that we will not be able to free ourselves from it except at a considerable cost."
"Power is not an institution, and not a structure; neither is it a certain strength we are endowed with; it is the name that one attributes to a complex strategical situation in a particular society."
Some of us emo, Smiths-listening mofos like geeky androgynous males. In fact, they are my favorite type of males. And who's to say they can't still fuck you like nobody's business? Just because you cuddle and listen to the Cure after doesn't mean it wasn't awesome. In fact, I submit that for many, that is what makes it awesome. Sorry for being so disgustingly sincere, but it's a topic quite dear to me!
@Jamie: It doesn't seem right to deny anyone their perversions but this isn't the sort of thing I want kids exposed to. I just wish you people would keep it to the campuses of our nation's liberal arts colleges, like if polygamist compounds did ironic freeze tag games
Oh they're great! I'd even submit RDJ! But you know, they're older men. Fathers and such, a bit too out of the range of fantasy. Say with Jake Gyllenhaal, in the Donnie Darko days, it wasn't totally unreasonable to day dream that you could maybe flirt your way into a drink with him at a bar if you happen to bump into him (I know, I know, play along). But Depp, Downey, Clooney are global stars so I find it harder to get hooked by them.
Well, every aspiring screenwriter I know is a gentle, sensitive, geeky male outsider with a love of Lou Reed and snug hoodies, so that probably has something to do with it. Except me! Anyone want to buy a screenplay about a sensitive, awkward, hoodie-wearing female outsider?
@metoometoo: I'm pretty sure that Hollywood deals with this niche like a family Thanksgiving table with a very strict seating arrangement and you're going to have to wait for Diablo Cody to die of a stroke before you can step up
But aren't these films intended for well-meaning, fragile, cerebral, maladjusted girls with an anemic sexual persona and child-like notions about men? And not "ladies in their twenties"?
@Natasha VC: Ew, really? Jon Hamm is a hottie, for sure, but the Don Draper type does not appeal to me at all. I'd prefer an awkward, sensitive type any day. But then, I've always had a weakness for guys who are nice to me.
Maybe it's the 'grass is greener thing'. I'm a goofy gal with tickets for Depeche Mode next month. It's not a niceness thing, though I'll admit men who a mean do get a smidge more of my time than they deserve (just a smidge) it's more like I want a Michael Cera with chest hair?
@metoometoo: You do realize that'd only make Don pull you closer, nuzzle his burning, stubbled cheek against yours and purr, "Now the other side, tiger."
I wouldn't even call Zooey Deschanel a "manic pixie" in 500 Days of Summer because, as the movie actually points out, she was just honest to him about all she was. Everything else he created himself. God, the more I think about that movie the more I hate it.
My thoughts:
Geeky semi-androgynous males are who are writing and producing the films.
This is merely what happens when males of a certain demographic are divided into two categories by advertisers and media executives.
*the MMA-loving, balding, horny, beer-swilling, metalhead, libertarian, dick joke-loving Spike TV fan
*all other males (some kind of Leon Neyfakh/Hudson Morgan/Nick Confessore/everyone who writes for Gawker amalgam)
As someone who has been deep in both subcultures for the past 20 years, I am working on a project regarding this conflict. Leitch can't be the only person like me.
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With ironic t-shirts and one liners in hand
He refuses to speak up and mumbles his lines
He is scrawny and weak and overly kind
And his girlfriend's so out of his league, it's obscene
Is Michael Cera the man of anyone's dreams?
But he likes to be known as the awkward young man... ♪
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That would be like a gummi bear getting it on with the Velveteen Rabbit...
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And you seem to believe that women aren't receiving real pleasure unless they submit to a dominant male with a six pack whose not afraid to beat up on you.
Are you at all self-aware of the gender sterotypes you are perpetuating?
This is a fucking awful post.
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Brad, I'd let you spoon me.
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They should put me in movies. :P
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I don't know if there's any truth to this but I once heard that after 'It Happened One Night' came out sales of sleeveless white undershirts soared because of Clark Gable's topless scene!
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Too 'outsidery'
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Here, I'll let Michel warm you up until I get back from caber toss:
"If repression has indeed been the fundamental link between power, knowledge, and sexuality since the classical age, it stands to reason that we will not be able to free ourselves from it except at a considerable cost."
"Power is not an institution, and not a structure; neither is it a certain strength we are endowed with; it is the name that one attributes to a complex strategical situation in a particular society."
07/30/09
I welcome all comparisons to Foucault, including his taste in men.
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@Natasha VC:
That got me curious. He and Daniel Defert were together for 25 years in a "state of passion."
http://www.foucaultsociety.org/resources/michel_foucault.asp
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Jeremy Renner, The Hurt Locker:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GxSDZc8etg
Chris Pine, Zachary Quinto, Karl Urban, etc., Star Trek:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdneFmLn0Sg
Johnny Depp, Public Enemies:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVzf4HW2zQQ
See, it's not that bad!
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Oh they're great! I'd even submit RDJ! But you know, they're older men. Fathers and such, a bit too out of the range of fantasy. Say with Jake Gyllenhaal, in the Donnie Darko days, it wasn't totally unreasonable to day dream that you could maybe flirt your way into a drink with him at a bar if you happen to bump into him (I know, I know, play along). But Depp, Downey, Clooney are global stars so I find it harder to get hooked by them.
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Those are the best girls! But not really a target demo, right?
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This is what I am saying. Who knew I'd be nostalgic for an emotionally removed surly male?
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Maybe it's the 'grass is greener thing'. I'm a goofy gal with tickets for Depeche Mode next month. It's not a niceness thing, though I'll admit men who a mean do get a smidge more of my time than they deserve (just a smidge) it's more like I want a Michael Cera with chest hair?
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Geeky semi-androgynous males are who are writing and producing the films.
This is merely what happens when males of a certain demographic are divided into two categories by advertisers and media executives.
*the MMA-loving, balding, horny, beer-swilling, metalhead, libertarian, dick joke-loving Spike TV fan
*all other males (some kind of Leon Neyfakh/Hudson Morgan/Nick Confessore/everyone who writes for Gawker amalgam)
As someone who has been deep in both subcultures for the past 20 years, I am working on a project regarding this conflict. Leitch can't be the only person like me.