Also, if anyone went to Clearview Chelsea for the midnight HP showing, PLEASE TELL ME YOU HEARD THE GUY AT THE CLIMAX OF THE MOVIE HOP UP AND GO "THIS MOVIE IS WACK! I'M GOING TO WATCH ICE AGE!!" That moment made my whole week.
I'm teaching 1st grade this year and, let me tell you, everyone wants a god damn diagnosis for their chid. I'm a Clinical Social Worker (LCSW) by trade. So, I've diagnosed many of children in my time. I totally get what Leary is saying. Having seen "real autism" up close, along with every other mental illness/learning disorder in the book (former belluvue lcsw here!), it's disturbing to see parents obsessed with pathologizing children. I think much of it has to do with the culture of testing and One Child Left behind. Everything is Standards based and the minute a child doesn't fite the "standards" mold, the parents think; "Autism," "ADHD, "Sensory Integration Disorder."
9.5/10 It's not there. But these parents will PAY some psychiatrist or neurologist to give them the diagnosis.
Now if only someone would do something about all those fake-ass food allergies. In our quest to not overly-medicate our kids, we've erred on the side of overly-diagnosing them. With everything.
Since we are all talking anecdotally and are in no way really qualified to say that some child none of us knows is mis-diagnosed with autism just because his parents are fervently pro-therapy and pro-meds....
When I first moved to the northeast, I had all these expectation of finding everyone in therapy, on medication, and seeking solution to invented problems. What I found instead was a bunch of cynical people making broad statements about other people being misdiagnosed and over-medicated. Most of these people could have used some therapy themselves, but were staunchly against it because of these generalizations. I say, if there really is a problem, start tightening up the requirements for diagnoses and go into the field of science to contribute to the research.
I think it's harder for people of, um a certain age, (sorry Denis), to understand the broader diagnosis of autism today. Back in the olden days, autism was some major shit. There was no possible way those kids could be mainstreamed. So those of us from an earlier time tend to think of autism in the old way and are slow to grasp the notion that an autistic person could hold a conversation or a job.
@crotchety: Many of us mental health professionals think the "broader" diagnosis is getting abused. And, BTW, it's always been noted to be a spectrum disorder and diagnosed as such.
@kitkatsplash: Really? You sound knowledgeable, so I'm not arguing with you, but just asking for clarification -- when you say "always", are you going back to the '60s and '70s and the days of "Dibs: In Search of Self" *shudder*? (I can't believe that someone who's supposed to be a mental health professional actually recommended that book to me the other day. There followed a, ahem, spirited discussion.)
@kitkatsplash: I have to disagree with you about autism "always" being noted as a spectrum disorder. Asperger's wasn't even recognized as a disorder until the 80s. It wasn't until the 90s that the DSM created a separate Pervasive Developmental Disorders category.
@boobaloob: Yeah, that's what I was thinking. In the 70s, portrayals of autism used almost always to focus on severe, very low-functioning cases. They also used to presume psychodynamic causes, resulting in a generation of mothers (not fathers, of course) who were told their child's cognitive impairment was caused by their coldness and lack of emotional support. Ugh.
How nice of Jon Stewart to have Leary on for the 23rd time in order that he can explain his unfunniness in excruciating unfunny detail, and then Stewart can go on to do his own unfunny routines where he will perhaps play the fiddle and perhaps sort of start to stumble through his lines and make the cutesy Jewish oopsy child face that screams oh i'm so mischevous and impish.
@kitkatsplash: She's saying Autism is not the same thing as ADHD. Leary specifically talked about only autism in his book, even though the things he said were a rehash of what people have been saying about ADHD for years, and really don't make sense when subbing "autism" for "ADHD" in the rant. But the subject at hand is autism, not ADHD.
@Itsjustcatnip: Would that all doctors used their pieholes to such good purpose. The problem is precisely that there are doctors who are either incompetent or unscrupulous enough to collude with the parents in letting the medicine cabinet do the parenting.
Fact: there are obnoxious children with bad parents who allow the kids to ride roughshod all over them.
Fact: some of these lousy parents blame autism and a host of other shit for their lack of parenting skills.
Fact: some parents struggle mightily with real autistic children.
Fact: parents of actually autistic children should not be lumped in with bad parents who are carefully crafting an excuse for their children's misbehavior rather than figuring out how to actually parent.
Fact: too many assholes have children that they are not equipped to deal with.
Fact: parents of true autistic children should be the ones speaking out against bad parenting of non-autistic chidren where the parents are blaming it on autism.
Fact: all of the above can be applied to ADHD parents and children.
Fact: there are too many school districts that have figured out that the state reimburses much better for educating children with special needs if you classify them with autism.
@JLynRedux: I agree with everything you've said except for this:
Fact: parents of true autistic children should be the ones speaking out against bad parenting of non-autistic chidren where the parents are blaming it on autism.
I'm busy parenting my kid who has autism. I don't have time to speak out again asshole parents, and it's not my responsibility to do so.
A few years ago I went to my rich boss and told him I needed a few hours off work to deal with my kid's Special Ed team. My boss says "Your son has Asperger's? My daughter has it, too!"
His daughter, who I've met, totally doesn't have Asperger's.
He goes on: "I mean, we've never been able to get her formally diagnosed. But my wife looked it up on the Internet, and we know that's what it is, and that's why she makes such bad grades."
What was I supposed to say? Even if he weren't my boss at the time, it wasn't my job to teach him parenting skills, and it was too late for that, anyway.
@Gwenishka: Jesus. "That's why she makes bad grades?" Asperger's is about social interaction, not cognitive development (except as social interactions are involved). She'd be as or more likely to make good grades, but just not to have any friends. I mean, I know you know this already, but... what a tool.
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9.5/10 It's not there. But these parents will PAY some psychiatrist or neurologist to give them the diagnosis.
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When I first moved to the northeast, I had all these expectation of finding everyone in therapy, on medication, and seeking solution to invented problems. What I found instead was a bunch of cynical people making broad statements about other people being misdiagnosed and over-medicated. Most of these people could have used some therapy themselves, but were staunchly against it because of these generalizations. I say, if there really is a problem, start tightening up the requirements for diagnoses and go into the field of science to contribute to the research.
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"I read you GIANT textbook that was written by your staff."
Thanks, Leary, for saying what we were all thinking.
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Part of me thinks that ADHD is no doubt cooked up by teachers who don't want to teach.
Can we make Mr. Leary president, since that would be a refreshing change.
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However Mr. Leary, yours is not the pie-hole we wish to hear this from. This is for the doctor to tell the individual parents.
ADHD and Autism are extremely real, and extremely hard to deal with.
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Fact: there are obnoxious children with bad parents who allow the kids to ride roughshod all over them.
Fact: some of these lousy parents blame autism and a host of other shit for their lack of parenting skills.
Fact: some parents struggle mightily with real autistic children.
Fact: parents of actually autistic children should not be lumped in with bad parents who are carefully crafting an excuse for their children's misbehavior rather than figuring out how to actually parent.
Fact: too many assholes have children that they are not equipped to deal with.
Fact: parents of true autistic children should be the ones speaking out against bad parenting of non-autistic chidren where the parents are blaming it on autism.
Fact: all of the above can be applied to ADHD parents and children.
Fact: Denis Leary is still freaking funny.
Fact: I don't care what anyone says.
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Fact: there are too many school districts that have figured out that the state reimburses much better for educating children with special needs if you classify them with autism.
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Fact: parents of true autistic children should be the ones speaking out against bad parenting of non-autistic chidren where the parents are blaming it on autism.
I'm busy parenting my kid who has autism. I don't have time to speak out again asshole parents, and it's not my responsibility to do so.
A few years ago I went to my rich boss and told him I needed a few hours off work to deal with my kid's Special Ed team. My boss says "Your son has Asperger's? My daughter has it, too!"
His daughter, who I've met, totally doesn't have Asperger's.
He goes on: "I mean, we've never been able to get her formally diagnosed. But my wife looked it up on the Internet, and we know that's what it is, and that's why she makes such bad grades."
What was I supposed to say? Even if he weren't my boss at the time, it wasn't my job to teach him parenting skills, and it was too late for that, anyway.
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