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forwardmotion
06/30/09

In reply to The Three Stages of Madoff Victimhood
I don't see the problem some are having on this thread. Just because Madoff is not a murderer or heinous criminal of that nature doesn't mean we can't shake our collective fists at his family's thievery. Both he and his wife stole a lot of money and seem inherently unlikable.
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johnny_carsick
06/30/09

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i really want to hope these same people didn't rail against homeowners taking on mortgages they couldn't afford.

really want to hope that.
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Wrapitup
06/30/09

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Isn't there a strong socioeconomic class component to the media coverage of all this rage? It is essentially a story about an enormous fall from rich and upper middle class status.

Horrific shit happens all the time to the American and the Third World poor. But the poor are just too boring, and people who perpetrate outrages against the poor are boring by extension. Would Madoff be half as infuriating if he was from the Bronx and destroyed a lot of lives there?
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Lymed
06/30/09

@Wrapitup: Madoff is infuriating to me because of the non-profits he defrauded. Many of those non-profits help the poor. His scheme also has had a tremendous impact on charitable giving to organizations that help the poor.
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irishflyesq
06/30/09

In reply to The Three Stages of Madoff Victimhood
I'm having a hard time drumming up sympathy for these people. Have they never heard an old adage in their lives?

"A fool and his money are soon parted."

"Don't put all your eggs in one basket."

"If it sounds too good to be true, it is."
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johnny_carsick
06/30/09

@irishflyesq: common sense is for common people, dearie. wouldn't touch it with your velvet rope.
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Niko Bellic
06/30/09

In reply to The Three Stages of Madoff Victimhood
You people need Satan more than he needs you.

Everyone in a Ponzi Scheme is a schemer. You thought that getting a few percent a year is for suckers? You are a schemer. It's just that you got screwed instead of screwing others because you were greedier than the others. Why should anyone (us suckers?) be sorry for you?

Also, how does one make those millions of dollars to be parted with? Even if it is hard work (as opposed to "investing"), it seems to me that wasting your life on hard work just for the money is pretty depressing life even if you do get to keep the money in the end. You say it's for kids? Whose kids? Your nanny's?
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johnny_carsick
06/30/09

@Niko Bellic: yeah. i'm kinda getting tired of demonizing madoff. he's a shyster, king shyster of shystania, even. but that's it.
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Heneage
06/30/09

@Niko Bellic: Partially true, but a significant portion of those who lost their $ with Madoff actually had no idea that they were invested with him. They gave their retirement funds to legit financial advisors, who invested it in funds that invested in Madoff. Stories abound of people who had no idea they had lost everything until weeks after the news broke and they got a letter in the mail.
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johnny_carsick
06/30/09

@Heneage: ah, you must be confused - this article is about the ones with victim complexes, not the actual victims. we don't get to hear from them.
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Niko Bellic
06/30/09

@Heneage: I am not saying there was a significance in being invested with "him". I am saying there was a significance in being invested in such a way that your investments were earning a lot more than they should've been.
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strunkenwhitey
06/30/09

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If I had millions to lose, I'm sure I would be blinded by fury had Madoff lost it. I also understand that he lost money for people who didn't have millions to invest or lose. HOWEVER, and maybe it's just because I'm from Wisconsin here, I remember when people had the chance to vent at Jeffery Dahmer--and all they had left of a loved one was a head in a freezer. At some point--and I realize it sounds sanctimonious--people have to gain a little perspective about what they have in life vs. what they have or could have lost.

Removing self from soapbox immediately.
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johnny_carsick
06/30/09

@strunkenwhitey: wholeheartedly agree. like burt over there, telling me bernie's getting precedence over people like pol pot in beelzebub's craw? really?
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ambitious
06/30/09

@johnny_carsick: Yeah but, what did Pol Pot ever do to millionaires? See the difference?

@strunkenwhitey: I am flabbergasted at the response, really. If money does this to you, you should channel this rage into getting some more. Or Fight Clubs.
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Wrapitup
06/30/09

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How does a small-town mayor get to have 5 million dollars to invest?
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Duck_Lips
06/30/09

@Wrapitup: It's New Jersey (see: Real Housewives of New Jersey Episode One, "Paying Cash for Trash").
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Wrapitup
06/30/09

@Duck_Lips: Hm, so as Niko Bellic implies below, his sanctimonious curse-flinging is a bit hypocritical no?
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johnny_carsick
06/30/09

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hell hath no fury like the entitled scammed.
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johnny_carsick
06/30/09

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"those other people in the mouth of satan". i'm not sure b-doff is on their level, burt. but hey, stay righteous.
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Mount_Prion
06/30/09

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The mouths of Satan! The man knows his Dante!
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resipsaloquacious
06/30/09

@Mount_Prion:

But who's the lucky guy that gets spit out to make room for Bernie? I am going with Brutus.
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Mount_Prion
06/30/09

@resipsaloquacious: Nah, there's always room for Madoff. Like Jell-O!
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Mount_Prion
06/30/09

@Mount_Prion: ABANDON SOAP ALL YE THAT ENTER HERE!

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Wrapitup
06/30/09

@Mount_Prion: Satan's dental bills must be crazy big.
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depardoo
04/07/09

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"I'm so ronery..."
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Tart of Darkness
04/05/09

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I know this is bad, but there's something that makes me laugh about Kim Jong Il. We say their missile just plopped into the ocean. He says that it launched a satellite and now everyone in N. Korea is listening to the music it broadcasts.

With of course no radios, iPods, TVs, 'puters, etc because the majority of the population doesn't have electricity.

So are they all listening to the music from giant speakers in space?

This is so Mao swimming the Yangtze that I just can't help but kinda love it.
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onenotesam
04/05/09

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Those crazy showtune marches represent the entire GDP of North Korea. Instead of growing crops, they write and record that shit and have "marching day" in the square.

My question is: how long can a country continue to exist when the entire population hasn't eaten solid food in thirty years?
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Tart of Darkness
04/05/09

@onenotesam: What I wonder is what it will be like when Il dies and if there is some kind of miracle that allows the N.Koreans to join the rest of the world? I think the cultural shock will be almost endless.
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bayktdin
04/05/09

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Does PETA know they eat dogs? Maybe they can put an end to this madness with a really spirited naked protest and a boycott of all their wannabe Hondas.
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Tart of Darkness
04/05/09

@bayktdin: They do know that. So does HSUS. If you join HSUS, they'll send you photos. I don't know why PETA hasn't done a really spirited naked protest and boycott of all their wannabe Hondas.

Maybe we can send some naked PETA girls to the DMZ to participate in the daily dirty looks across the border ritual.
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wry_bred
04/05/09

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Oh no! A nation run by a deluded man with an odd fixation on his father's legacy has powerful technology and weaponry! Umm... that was us for the past eight years.
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Tart of Darkness
04/05/09

@AlannaBanana: I hear ya. But Dubya just never brought teh crazy like Kim Jong Il. That's the difference between a democracy and a dictatorship, I think.
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