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i'm a bottle
11/10/09

In reply to January Jones Free to Start Her Movie Career
January Jones played Betty really well, and the character was interesting for a while, but the character herself was tiresome. Her treating the kids as if they were trash, never reading a book, constantly at loggerheads with her brother. I just can't feel sympathy with those sorts of people. And I can't feel sympathy for Betty, no matter how much her character supposedly embodies the changing roles of women in the '60s.

We're talking about someone who doesn't try at all. She doesn't take pleasure in anything except her Victorian fainting couch. Maybe the fact that she can speak Italian is cool, but she ditzes out in every other aspect of her life. What's worse, her WASP-alabaster skin is thinner than tissue paper. She takes offense at everything. I'm looking forward to more of a certain hot-blooded schoolteacher of uncertain origins who's passionate about civil rights. That's a good story arc: she and Don stumbling through the burgeoning cultural upheavals of the '60s together with Don a member of a proto-hippie-collective ad-agency and she some radical teacher in the suburbs. Let Trudy Campbell take on Betty's culturo-critical function.

Is anyone with me here? Betty is the interjection "meh" in human form.
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Uncle_Billy_Slumming
11/10/09

In reply to January Jones Free to Start Her Movie Career
Matthew who? #madmen
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Spirit Fingers
11/10/09

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This is interesting, and means the story could go anywhere. Season 4 could begin on day 2 of Draper Cooper Sterling and Price, two months later, two years later. I for one would love to see how Don deals with teenage children, a new serious relationship (Bring back Rachel Menken!), and an estranged ex-wife undoubtedly married to a lunatic. #madmen
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willwriteforfood
11/10/09

@Spirit Fingers: Isn't Rachel married now? But I am with you on Henry Francis. There's something off about that guy. #madmen
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secretagentman
11/10/09

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I would love it if Rachel Menken came back. Don and Rachel had such sizzling chemistry. #madmen
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Island of Misfit Toys
11/10/09

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I would love to see how Betty reacts to the public shame of being a divorcee. Will Francine ever speak to her again? I must know. #madmen
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Cogito Ergo Bibo
11/10/09

@Island of Misfit Toys: Crap. You bring up an excellent point. If we get less Betty, we're likely to have literally no Francine. Boooo!

Although a little Francine/Don combo would be entertaining. Probably wouldn't last long. But it would be fun while it did last. #madmen
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magstheaxe
11/11/09

@Island of Misfit Toys: I wonder if post-divorce Betty will run into Helen. #madmen
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Island of Misfit Toys
11/11/09

@magstheaxe: I love the idea of those two becoming friends, but then there's Glen (and his hormones) to think about... #madmen
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tunamelt
11/10/09

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He does enjoy throwing false leads out there so it is hard to take what he says without the proverbial grain of salt. #madmen
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Understater
11/10/09

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The Draper-household drama got tiresome to watch, so in one way I'm relieved that it's come to end. That said, Betty was a fascinating character--by sheer virtue of her fucked-up-ness--so I hope we get to see how things pan out for her in S4. #madmen
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drunkexpatwriter
11/10/09

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I will be so glad if they are done with the Betty Draper plot line. I love the rest of the show but I hate how crazy she is and can not stand the way she treats her kids. #madmen
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magstheaxe
11/11/09

@drunkexpatwriter: One of the things I love about Betty Draper is that she's not a stereotypical Perfect Wife/Mother that TV shows us all the time. She reacts like a real woman in difficult situations, and the fact that she's not perfect with her children and in her marriage makes her more relatable and more heart-breaking to me.

TVs full of wives/moms who aren't crazy and never take their frustrations out on their kids. You can go watch re-runs of The Donna Reed Show if you like, but give me Betty Draper any day of the week. #madmen
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drunkexpatwriter
11/11/09

@magstheaxe: I like that they are trying to portray a different sort of mom, but it just feels poorly executed to me.

Her entire story arch seems to be doing what whichever father figure happens to be in front of her wants at any given time.

She does have that one great moment when she confronts Don about the Bluebeard Drawer. but other than that it seems like she does a lot of simply pouting.

And she's not leaving Don for independence, just for a new type of dependence.

The worst for me is that it's almost impossible to figure out what's going on inside her - though that could be January Jone's fault.

The show has a lot of interesting women with interesting internal lives. Think of Joan and Peggy.

Betty just doesn't seem to have that depth to me. #madmen
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son of spam
11/10/09

In reply to January Jones Free to Start Her Movie Career
Interesting. Weiner seems less attached to his characters than we are. Maybe we have seen the last of Sal and the rest of the Sterling Cooper pack.

What woman will occupy Don's time? Whatever happened to his Greenwich Village artist hippy chick? Maybe we see her again. She would be an easy way to drag the 60's into his gray flannel life. I don't think we will see much of Missy Schoolteacher from now on.

Also, I am looking forward to bad things happening to Dr. Rapey, of course, but also Henry Francis. I think little big girl Sally may not enjoy his presence. And with Betty taking a minor role, we probably won't get to see Don kicking little bro's ass. #madmen
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tunamelt
11/10/09

@son of spam: I really don't think he'd bring Sal back... I've heard people speculate re: Sal joining SCDP but I mean, the Lucky Strike conflict? #madmen
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son of spam
11/10/09

@tunamelt: I agree. We want him back but it doesn't make sense now. His character has already made the intended statement. #madmen
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PaisleyPajamas
11/10/09

@son of spam: @tunamelt: What if the spoiled son at Lucky Strike were outed and kicked out of the company? That would open the door for Sal to come back and also drive home the profound homophobia of the era. It's not like that guy (nepotism-ish wanker) was subtle, by any measure. #madmen
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son of spam
11/10/09

@PaisleyPajamas: They didn't out people in the 60's. They just whispered about them. Sal's character already demonstrated the nature of homophobia at the time; why belabor the point? It isn't central to the show. #madmen
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PaisleyPajamas
11/10/09

@son of spam: Well, not "out-out" him, but the board of directors of Lucky Strike knowing kind of "out." I see your point, though. It's out of the range of these characters and this era to really do or say anything meaningful on the subject of homophobia.

@roxymilo: It's a nice way for an actor to launch a career, though. #madmen
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Cogito Ergo Bibo
11/10/09

In reply to January Jones Free to Start Her Movie Career
Eh, she's still the mother of those Draper tykes. Admittedly, Don won't see much of his old family if she marries closet-psycho Henry. But there are certainly reasons why Betty should at least be in a continuing B-plot. #madmen
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daveyjonesisdead
11/10/09

In reply to January Jones Free to Start Her Movie Career
authorial intent is so '50's. #madmen
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If_I_Had_a_Poodle
11/09/09

In reply to Mad Men's Season Finale: Everyone Gets Eaten By A Dinosaur, And Don Is Pregnant.
I missed the show. Was the people eating dinosaur pregnant? Is that why she did it? #television
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DahlELama
11/09/09

@If_I_Had_a_Poodle: Turned out it was just gas, so everyone lived happily ever after. Except the guy with cancer. He died. #television
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ampersandparade
11/08/09

In reply to Mad Men's Season Finale: Everyone Gets Eaten By A Dinosaur, And Don Is Pregnant.
Oh my good god I actually quite like this show, and especially this episode, but find that every single person I try to communicate with about it on the internet is insane or has no idea whatsoever about why the characters do what they do.

"Why does [character X] not respond to this situation as I would, in the year 2009?"

"That is not what I would do, because I know about these things and these people obviously do not. What is wrong with them, are they living in another period of history or something?"

No wonder so many people are put off about the show's hype; if the series itself doesn't disappoint you (which I admit, it does many), the amount of people watching a period piece who are confused about why people behave differently during an isolated period of time in history that is obtuse to our own present will likely drive you to either drink or straight into the arms of Two And A Half Men. Enthusiasm for something is so very much a double-edged sword. #television
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Excusado
11/08/09

In reply to Mad Men's Season Finale: Everyone Gets Eaten By A Dinosaur, And Don Is Pregnant.
Well that wasn't so shocking after all, but it was great fun. The most exciting episode of the season. #television
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Lizawithazee
11/09/09

@Excusado: A ripping good episode. Even the Limey Toad rose to the occasion. #television
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ms_priestypants
11/09/09

@Excusado: Agreed. It was even exciting for me, but I missed last week. #television
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Botswana Meat Commission FC
11/08/09

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I heard Cousin Mose will make a brief cameo. #television
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