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    Image of Mediahohoho Mediahohoho
    12/02/09

    In reply to Today in Serious Policy Proposals
    There's no way we would have won WWII if these clowns were in charge.
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    Image of Helio Helio
    12/02/09

    In reply to Today in Serious Policy Proposals
    Virginia never ceases to disappointment me. Cantor is obviously vying for a seat at the GOP grown ups table. Someone seriously needs to retire the "NO NEW TAXES" signs.
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    Image of Atilla the Bun Atilla the Bun
    12/02/09

    In reply to Today in Serious Policy Proposals
    Yes, if there is anything unemployed people are concerned about, it is the government taxing their non-existent income.
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    Image of Miss Anita Manbadly Miss Anita Manbadly
    12/02/09

    In reply to Today in Serious Policy Proposals
    Le Sigh. Bonjour Tristesse. One is so tired of this no tax increase nonsense when it's obviously aimed at relieving the country's top earners of their responsibility to give back in recognition of their fabulous success.

    Tell ya what. How about no tax increases for anyone who earns less than $100k per year? Hm? How's that look for ya, you sniveling boot-licker of the uber-wealthy? Hm?
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    Image of katastic katastic
    12/02/09

    @Miss Anita Manbadly: That's CLASS WARFARE. We don't want CLASS WARFARE. Then we'll all be SOCIALISTS. And have to go to DEATH PANELS! KENYAN DEATH PANELS!
    etc.
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    Image of Miss Anita Manbadly Miss Anita Manbadly
    12/03/09

    @katastic: Them there's some words what readin' people use, there, missy. Y'all wanna be known as one a them readin' people, now?
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    Image of econdave econdave
    12/02/09

    In reply to Today in Serious Policy Proposals
    Remember this the next time you hear a Republican complain about the budget deficit under Obama.

    These guys are completely morally bankrupt.
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    Image of Miss Anita Manbadly Miss Anita Manbadly
    12/02/09

    @econdave: What you said.
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    Image of Iamdoingit Iamdoingit
    12/02/09

    In reply to Today in Serious Policy Proposals
    Look, I have to admit I am probably on the side of stop taxing people like crazy, but this guy is completely full of crap. If there were ever a ploy to get attention when you have no new ideas, this is it.

    Next up "Only capital punishment until there are no more homicides, then let's keep capital punishment on the books for convicted ________ ."
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    Image of PaisleyPajamas PaisleyPajamas
    12/02/09

    @Iamdoingit: Cantor is an example of why elected officials sometimes need to be fired. Oh, the irony!
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    Image of Cogito Ergo Bibo Cogito Ergo Bibo
    12/02/09

    @PaisleyPajamas: We're trying. Most thinking folk in Virginia cringe to think this jackass represents us.

    However, please send thinking folks. We need more.
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    Image of sweet_communist sweet_communist
    12/02/09

    @Cogito Ergo Bibo: I'm from this guy's district, and am sorry to report that he is largely beloved. Fucking Henrico County, man.
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    PaisleyPajamas promoted this comment sweet_communist was starred sweet_communist was unstarred
    Image of ParahSalin ParahSalin
    12/02/09

    @sweet_communist: I feel your pain. Mark Sanford is my esteemed Governor, and Lindsay Graham my beloved closet case Senator. Oh, and how can I forget Jim "Jesus, America, The Troops, global warming is a myth" DeMint? It's actually kind of fun watching Graham attempt to stop acting like an asshole, and all the other idiot Republicans are tearing him to shreds for his reasonableness.
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    PaisleyPajamas promoted this comment Edited by ParahSalin at 12/02/09 9:17 PM ParahSalin was starred ParahSalin was unstarred
    Image of sweet_communist sweet_communist
    12/02/09

    @ParahSalin: I'm so thankful that our statewide shame, George Allen, has finally reaped his racist-ass reward. My dad works for the state, and he had to deal with the fucker personally during his gubernatorial term. At a formal lunch with higher-up state employees, he eschewed dessert for a bucket in which to spit his chewing tobacco. Oh, and he had a noose hanging in his office when he was a lawyer in Charlottesville, and is an unapologetic lover of the Confederate flag (even here in Richmond, the former Capitol of the Confederacy, this is viewed as repulsive by most people).

    I'm terribly sorry you have to deal with South Carolinian politicians. DeMint, in particular, is a real anus. I mostly feel sorry for poor, closeted Graham.
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    Image of ParahSalin ParahSalin
    12/03/09

    @sweet_communist: I've never heard of this George Allen, but he sounds like a real charmer. I agree about Lindsay, I can't imagine being a closeted gay Republican senator from South Carolina, it has to be stressful. On the other hand, he was helping to try to put Palin a heartbeat away from the Presidency.
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    Image of Swifter Swifter
    12/02/09

    In reply to Today in Serious Policy Proposals
    Giving money to the government is the equivalent of flushing it down the toilet, so I sympathize with his views.
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    Image of OliversArmy OliversArmy
    12/02/09

    @Swifter: Perfect. Serious policy proposals like Cantor's call for equally serious comments like yours.
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    Image of Mrs. Beeton Mrs. Beeton
    12/02/09

    @Swifter: Flushed away by all that water we have in our toilets, even in the most arid west!
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    Image of katastic katastic
    12/02/09

    @Swifter: Once again, your incisive commentary manages to both irritate and put one soundly to sleep.
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    Image of Iamdoingit Iamdoingit
    12/02/09

    @Swifter: Look, this is not about his theory. I also think the government is very inefficient. It is the way that he goes about producing nothing and saying that it is something new.
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    Image of Go Like Hell Machine Go Like Hell Machine
    12/02/09

    @Swifter: This is a remarkably helpful and insightful comment, which sheds light on exactly how clueless, pointless and childish the current "conservative" argument in the United States is these days.
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    Image of Swifter Swifter
    12/02/09

    @katastic: At least I'm not a fucking squirrel.
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    12/02/09

    @Swifter: So how's your day going, Swifter?
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    Image of ParahSalin ParahSalin
    12/02/09

    @Swifter: Yeah, they just waste it on dumb stuff like schools, the military, the police, libraries, and roads. If I were allowed to keep my money I could spend it on cool stuff like weed, alcohol and a big screen TV.
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    Image of Mediahohoho Mediahohoho
    12/02/09

    @Swifter: Says the guy who lent his life to the government. I guess your money is less flush worthy than your life?
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    Image of hilikusopus hilikusopus
    12/02/09

    In reply to Today in Serious Policy Proposals
    Anybody see the rerun of This American Life last night, the one with the independent candidate who ran against Cantor on a platform of extreme honesty? He had absolutely no campaign, and he still won 25% of the vote in Virginia.
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    Image of Juancho Juancho
    12/02/09

    @hilikusopus: what's more disturbing is the Democrats couldn't beat Cantor in that situation.
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    Image of Peter Feld Peter Feld
    11/24/09

    In reply to Obama: Fundamentals of the Economy Are Still Strong
    Here is the problem with this post, and the whole line of thinking. Yes, "fundamentals of the economy" "cost" McCain the election, in the sense that political journalists always seek a single event (like Dukakis in the tank) that can explain a complex process. Many other things happened that week: McCain "declared a crisis" and suspended his campaign. He tried to duck the debate. He ducked Letterman and was exposed and skewered. They all added up to one thing: he had no clue how to cope with a fresh crisis, exactly the sort of thing a president has to do. And yes, he was unable to express real empathy or show he understood the dimensions of the crisis.

    But! His comment wasn't "thoughtless." It was intended to be confidence-boosting. America is tough, we'll get through this, our fundamental assets - hard-working Americans, know-how, etc. - are still strong. He allowed it to be played as a gaffe, that was his mistake (because he really didn't "get it"). And yes, Obama hung it around his neck like a flaming tire. But a more skillful politician wouldn't have reacted with the above-referenced weeklong meltdown (also including a hastily staged White House meeting including Obama, arranged to save face for McCain, where he had nothing to say).

    And to tell the truth, Obama has some of the same problem, connecting with average people and showing empathy for their distress, like Bill Clinton did, but that was not a factor during the campaign because contrasted with McCain, Obama looked like the one you'd want to have in charge: cool, calm and collected. But that doesn't make it a major gaffe when, for confidence-building reasons, he makes the case that our underlying economy is strong - even though he did demagogue the hapless McCain over a similarly aimed comment.

    The biggest factor in the economy right now is consumer confidence, which depends on people expecting the future to be better than the past (as has been on the rise) so they will spend over the holidays, and that is what Obama is hoping to encourage. Sheesh, when he talked about the gravity of the crisis after he was elected, everyone said he was scaring everyone and spooking the stock market.
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    Image of SometimesADusek SometimesADusek
    11/23/09

    In reply to Obama: Fundamentals of the Economy Are Still Strong
    Ya'll; I cannot believe that video shot in my hometown of Bumblefart, CO (Grand Junction a.k.a. Sand Dumption a.k.a. Bland Malfunction a.k.a. "The Geej" ) is on Gawker. Do you know how exciting this is?

    As for the jobs thing. There are ways out of this mess but the Administration is NOT listening to the right people and, yes, those are the strains of the same old song that we're starting to hear.

    I work with an organization that is involved with the international building sector (architects, builders, contractors, carpenters etc.). We have a plan that's been in front of the Administration that will create 4.5 Million Jobs in one year, reduce CO2 emissions by 101 MMT, reduce energy consumption by 907TBtu, as well as save consumers $103 billion in mortgage payments and energy costs annually.
    I feel like Professor Harold Hill saying it but this plan of ours really can work. Basic premise: If you renovate your home to be energy efficient, you get a crazy low (like 2%) mortgage rate (which has been bought down by stimulus $$). All the laid-off electricians, plumbers, earth movers, and every other construction trade (the sector suffering the highest job loss b.t.w.) go back to work renovating the 93% of our existing building stock that DESPERATELY NEEDS to be renovated for efficiency and the homeowner saves like $500 every month. We call it the "One Year 4.5 Million Jobs Investment Plan" (no kidding). Instead of throwing 800 Billion at highways, we're asking the Govt. to spend a mere 30 Billion buying down mortgage rates so We The People can afford to fix up our drafty, dumpy, coal guzzling houses.

    Maybe we need to get out in the streets and demand the stuff we want (?)
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    Image of momof3wildkids momof3wildkids
    11/23/09

    In reply to Obama: Fundamentals of the Economy Are Still Strong

    This could be Obama's "Mission Accomplished" moment -- pretty risky given the employment numbers
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    Image of MissNormaDesmond MissNormaDesmond
    11/23/09

    @momof3wildkids: Uh, that's a pretty huge reach.
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    11/24/09

    @MissNormaDesmond: Not if unemployment stays at these levels for a couple years.

    #tips
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    Image of HeathenKiller HeathenKiller
    11/24/09

    @momof3wildkids: If he hangs a giant banner that reads "WE FIXED THE ECONOMY" and unemployment stays at these levels for a couple years THEN its his "Mission Accomplished". Until then he just said that at the core America is strong and will get through this.
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    11/24/09

    @HeathenKiller: You are, of course, assuming that the core of America is strong. There are a fair number who don't feel that way. [www.cnbc.com]

    #tips
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    11/24/09

    @momof3wildkids: I'm not assuming that. I'm simply stating what he is assuming. I never said I agreed with him (whether I do or not is for a different post) I'm just saying I disagree with you.

    What I mean is there is a LARGE difference between hanging a banner off a ship that says "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" in regards to Iraq, and Obama saying "The core of America is strong" in regards to the economy.

    Mission accomplished is a statement that "We are done. We have accomplished what we set out to do." The equivalent, I believe, is if Obama hung a huge banner that says "ECONOMY FIXED" behind him during a press conference. He didn't do that.
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    Image of MissNormaDesmond MissNormaDesmond
    11/24/09

    @HeathenKiller: Thanks, you've left very little for me to say. The real analogy to Obama's statement would have been Bush's saying, "We will win this fight, because our service men and women are dedicated, strong, and brave," with a banner behind him that said, "Welcome Home, U.S.S. Abraham Lincoln". And if he had said that, I doubt he'd have caught any flak at all.
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    Image of The Real JR The Real JR
    11/23/09

    In reply to Obama: Fundamentals of the Economy Are Still Strong
    Huge stretch, baby.
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    11/23/09

    In reply to Obama: Fundamentals of the Economy Are Still Strong
    GAH. The Presidential campaign. Is. Over.

    This nitpicky, zomg did he just make a gaffe?! style reporting was grating even then. Now it's doubly obnoxious. Can you really not recognize the contextual differences between a) a candidate blithely shrugging off what seemed, at the time, like impending economic armageddon and b) the President reminding a country weary from a year of financial stress that no, this isn't going to last forever--at the end of the day we still have the most powerful economy in the world bar none and the jobs will come back?

    McCain said the worst thing possible at a traumatic moment in history. Obama is trying to coax everyone back to sanity in its aftermath. Sort of big distinction?
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    Image of unclevanya unclevanya
    11/23/09

    @flossy: Indeed. Saying it during a campaign is suicide. But if you land the job, you have to be part cheerleader and part pragmatist. Otherwise people will be jumping out of windows and standing in traffic in droves again. Or rather, doing it before the have to.
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    Image of ParahSalin ParahSalin
    11/23/09

    @flossy: Thank you for saying my thoughts for me very eloquently. Also, McCain couldn't remember how many houses he owned as foreclosures were snowballing. He said something like "I'm sorry people's real estate investments didn't work out for them." McCain's economic advisor, Phil Gramm, was the dick who deregulated the banks (and Enron) to begin with. Gramm was also the dick who said "Americans are whiners who are in a mental recession." His wife got $2 million bucks from Enron, he now works for UBS. You don't hear them whining about the economy, now do you? Time magazine rated Phil Gramm in the top 25 people who ruined the economy, I'd put him at a tie for number one with Ronald Reagan.
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    Image of Unsolicited Advice Unsolicited Advice
    11/23/09

    @flossy:

    We're not in the aftermath. I think the statements are similar. But I agreed with McCain then, and I agree with Obama now.
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    11/23/09

    @flossy: Even John says it: "Obama is speaking at the beginning of an anemic recovery, when it makes sense for the president to adopt a boosterish stance. "

    Yes, the unemployment situation is still horrible, but things are less worrisome in general; at the time of McCain's comment, I wasn't entirely convinced that the fundamentals were strong enough to resist what was coming.
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    11/23/09

    Rhetoric and hyperbole from the Oval Office and in the comments here doesn't alter reality. McCain and Obama both came off sounding like Officer Barbrady. McCain's paid for his gaffe. To suggest that Obama is merely trying to soothe the nation is disingenuous. On the contrary he's advancing a political agenda, namely the desire to get health care reform passed. With the concern about costs for such reform front and center, it's an obvious point for Obama to take: we're on solid ground, we can afford and need to take this step. I'm not going to start a debate about health care reform but I do agree with the author of this post that the song remains the same. Both men were telling people what they wanted to hear.
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    11/23/09

    In reply to Obama: Fundamentals of the Economy Are Still Strong
    Like I thought when McCain said it - he's right. The job of the President is to be our chief advocate, to point America forward along its path. Our fundamentals are our people, and our people are strong. But we aren't going to come out of this without hardship, and that's the message that Obama really needs to send. Once the money presses turn off and we properly account for our losses, we're in for a struggle - not an insurmountable one, but certainly a difficult one.
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    11/23/09

    In reply to Obama: Fundamentals of the Economy Are Still Strong
    I'd like to see how McCain would have handled the economic crisis. We would have probably invaded Iran.
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    Image of ParahSalin ParahSalin
    11/23/09

    @i'm a bottle: His protege Palin is still insanely going on about cutting taxes. Two months after the economic collapse she was still babbling about cutting taxes on the wealthy. Then someone pointed out to her than nobody really gives a fuck about the weary wealthy anymore, so she changed it to cutting taxes on "small business owners." Thanks, Sarah, I used to be a small business owner until Republicans ruined the economy and wiped me out. What kind of complete IDIOT would think you cut taxes after you've run up a massive deficit? Probably the same sort of IDIOT who thought that you pay for two wars by cutting taxes on the wealthy. It was obvious to me before the economy collapsed that there was going to be a tax increase on the way due to all of Bush's ridiculous financial moves. Anyone remember Greenspan warning that if we didn't cut taxes on the wealthy we risked paying off the deficit too soon? Ha, it's funny, because it's so UNtrue.
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