The two Governor races has to be as bad for Obama, as Democrats Jim McGreevey and Mark Warner winning the same offices in November '01 was for Bush. #barackobama
@intime: Well. the first problem is that asking people why they did something is not useful. People are notoriously bad at explaining their own rationale for anything. But asking those kinds of questions makes for a good (manufactured) story. #barackobama
I might remind people who are all incensed about the term limits issue. Term limits have traditionally been a Republican proposal. Term limits are, at base, conservative and anti-democratic #michaelbloomberg
@lionel-mandrake: How are they anti-democratic? A term limit, as a measure instituted via democratic vote, seems pretty ideologically neutral to me. #michaelbloomberg
@skt.smth: The first major piece of term limit legislation was the 2 term limit imposed on Presidents, which was imposed by the Republican Congress after the death of President Roosevelt. There was no popular vote.
As a political issue, term limits have historically been sought by conservatives and libertarians as a political ploy to break up what they see as entrenched Democratic constituencies (the Kennedys). The last notable time that term limits came to the fore as an issue was when Gingrich's "Contract With America" gang tried to get them imposed in Congress.
In New York City they were sought as part of the Conservative tilt that brought Giuliani to power. They were later confirmed, with the support of the mayor, in 1996. You are right, however, in saying that NYC term limits were sought through popular referendum, but that has not generally been the case, historically. #michaelbloomberg
@lionel-mandrake: No, I said "democratic vote" and that's precisely what I meant. Members of Congress are our representatives. To argue that passing a term limit in Congress is anti-democratic is to argue that passing anything in Congress is anti-democratic. You're entitled to make that point, but don't hold it against me if I fail to follow along.
Now, if a term limit were, in and of itself, an anti-democratic policy (as, say, abolishing womens' voting rights would be), I would see your point. But again, you haven't really demonstrated why it's anti-democratic. The fact that republicans/conservatives have, historically speaking, been the ones to float the idea doesn't prove that point.
Can we please start the public referendums on giving tax breaks to right wing religious organizations? Hell, it's America, where we put people's rights up for a majority vote! Right? #gaymarriage
@manchops: The great (or terrible, in my view terrible) thing about America is you can put almost anything up for a referendum. Just get a bunch of people with nothing to do to go get a bunch of people with slightly less to do to sign a petition urging them to ban bananas from bodegas. Or whatever your pet issue is. If you need help, call people from California, no one does referendums like they do. #gaymarriage
@ModestProposal: Shit- do you think I should start paying attention when I sign all those petitions shoved in front of me on the way to the subway? I pretty much sign anything if those people will just let me get to work on time.... #gaymarriage
@manchops: I'd settle for forcing straight people to stay married to each other. In the 1970's and 1980's the republicans blamed working women and divorce for America's problems (and the "welfare queens"). The reason you don't hear from Anita Bryant anymore is because after she divorced her abusive husband (and she had such a beatific smile!!!), her "friends" in the right wingnut sphere dumped her ass. I've noticed the wingnuts don't seem to care too much about divorce anymore, since all of their leaders usually have several divorces under their belts. Let's force them to stay married AND force them to personally support teenage mothers and their unwanted babies. I'd give up the right to marry just to watch Rush Limbaugh suffer for eternity being married to some woman who hated his guts, and having to support multiple teenage mothers, preferably minority teenagers. #gaymarriage
@erinna: The only petition I've ever signed was back in college and it was to get 2-ply toilet paper in the dorm bathrooms. That was a position I could get behind. #gaymarriage
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I'm not really clear on why the news media is conveniently ignoring this fact. #barackobama
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As a political issue, term limits have historically been sought by conservatives and libertarians as a political ploy to break up what they see as entrenched Democratic constituencies (the Kennedys). The last notable time that term limits came to the fore as an issue was when Gingrich's "Contract With America" gang tried to get them imposed in Congress.
In New York City they were sought as part of the Conservative tilt that brought Giuliani to power. They were later confirmed, with the support of the mayor, in 1996. You are right, however, in saying that NYC term limits were sought through popular referendum, but that has not generally been the case, historically. #michaelbloomberg
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Now, if a term limit were, in and of itself, an anti-democratic policy (as, say, abolishing womens' voting rights would be), I would see your point. But again, you haven't really demonstrated why it's anti-democratic. The fact that republicans/conservatives have, historically speaking, been the ones to float the idea doesn't prove that point.
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