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miss_msry
06/05/09

In reply to Elie Wiesel At Buchenwald: 'Every War is Absurd and Meaningless'
Does this mean Madoff has to give Elie's money back?

And Kevin's, too?
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HiredGoons
06/05/09

@miss_msry: this must be why he's doing these speaking engagements.
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BadUncle
06/05/09

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I'm in favor of Thumb Wars. And panty raids. And Combat Rock. And carpet bombing my apartment with drugs.
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BookishLookish
06/05/09

@BadUncle: Agreed on all. And I really, really love the album "The World Is a Ghetto."
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HiredGoons
06/05/09

@BadUncle: and Class Wars.
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Astigmatism
06/05/09

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I don't want to be the one who has to poop in the oatmeal, but every war is absurd and meaningless only if you ignore the fact that there are evil people in the world, that those evil people can occasionally get into positions of power to do terrible things to innocent people or other countries, and that they will not necessarily be persuaded by diplomacy to stop. The U.S. may not have joined WWII to liberate Buchenwald, and it may have waited years too long to do so, but I would strongly argue that WWII was not absurd or meaningless if it prevented Hitler from killing every remaining Jew in Europe. 600,000 people may have died in the Civil War, but it liberated 4,000,000 slaves. I would love it if war could always be avoided, but pacifism as an absolute has never made any sense to me.
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Mymoustache
06/05/09

@Astigmatism: Thanks for crapping in my cream-o-wheat...shittin' in my sugar smacks...
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Astigmatism
06/05/09

@Mymoustache: I know, right? Sorry.
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allyzay
06/05/09

@Astigmatism: so what world view is it that the thing that starts the war isn't somehow part of the war??
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shostakobitch
06/05/09

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easy to say . ..
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HiredGoons
06/05/09

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I dunno - the War of Roses sounds like it was pretty fun.
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uncivilly obedient
06/05/09

@HiredGoons: Now if only we could have gotten Hitler and Patton to fight each other while hanging from a chandelier....
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HiredGoons
06/05/09

@uncivily obedient: I smell a musical!
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pony_express
06/05/09

@HiredGoons: You do know there were no actual flowers involved?

Wait, I can't post a completely flip comment on a story about Wiesel.
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HiredGoons
06/05/09

@pony_express: just a bunch of Pansies.
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souldecirce
06/05/09

@HiredGoons: Especially that scene of a sprawled hot Kathleen Turner. Rawwrr.
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HiredGoons
06/05/09

@souldecirce: I can listen to Kathleen Turner speak from behind a curtain and get a hard on, and I'm geigh.
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iplaudius
06/05/09

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"Every War is Absurd and Meaningless." I could not agree more, in the sense that whatever purpose a war is supposed to serve, the absurdity of killing other human beings renders the rationale irrational and meaning meaningless.
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HiredGoons
06/05/09

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China - please take note.
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jbwan
06/05/09

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Wait, I thought all American Jews are racists who hate Obama and want him killed. [gawker.com]
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Richard Lawson
06/05/09

@jbwan: You've aptly missed the point of two posts in one comment. Well done.
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jbwan
06/05/09

@Richard Lawson: No. I got the point of both. This just proves the point of those who felt the "documentary" footage post from last night was completely ridiculous.
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Richard Lawson
06/05/09

@jbwan: Oh, sorry. I'm tired and sick and don't know what the hell is going on.
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forwardmotion
02/28/09

In reply to Elie Wiesel is Pissed
I disagree with Mr. Wiesel--I do think Madoff has a touch of the sociopath about him. I think locking him in a cell is the right idea, but the pictures of his victims wouldn't upset him in the least. At this point he only views HIMSELF as the victim.
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Tweezergal
02/27/09

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How Pareene read Wiesel's response is beyond comprehensibility, and maybe that's the problem; Pareene, perhaps, never did well in reading comprehension. Wiesel is not claiming that Madoff is anything more than an everyday crook -- that indeed he's not worse than any other jailbird -- and as such he should undergo rehabilitation through guilt, which, he suggests, can be achieved through picture-viewing. Wiesel's understanding of Madoff is opposite of what Pareene is claiming it to be. How strange! One has to wonder why Pareene would understand Wiesel's understanding as such, save, perhaps, what I said before, that reading-comprehension isn't Pareene's strength. Hopefully, there's nothing more malevolent there. As a matter of fact, I think Wiesel SHOULD label Madoff a psychopath --and not a garden-variety criminal -- because Madoff fits many characteristics on the psychopath's checklist: glibness, grandiosity, deception, and lack of conscience. So picture-viewing would be futile because Madoff would look at every face and say, "Ah, mean smile, he deserved to lose his cash. Greedy bastard." Madoff will never, ever truly blame himself. It will always be someone else's fault.
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Shelwood
02/28/09

@Tweezergal: I'm not sure Madoff could be classed as a psychopath unless it is revealed that he targeted Jewish investors out of some malevolent self-hatred. I suspect he's more of a sociopath, callous to other's pain, and his victims were mostly Jews simply because they were the people he had the easiest access to in his con game. He's certainly greedy, and, like many criminals, arrogant. He thought he was too smart to ever get caught. It's hard to believe he was too stupid to think through the consequences, so he must have believed he could get away clean.

I do hope that he is punished at least ass harshly as any "common" criminal, the ones who get life for holding up three people for $100 each and end up getting life. I hate that if you steal enough money, you are suddenly special enough for the country club prison. Stick him in genpop in the appropriate prison with the rest of the lifers. He'll figure out he did something bad eventually.
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JPMarat
02/27/09

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Also, as sad as I am for the people who were laid off from nonprofits that invested with Madoff, WHAT THE FUCK were charities doing trying to invest their money instead of maybe using it for what it was donated for(food, clothes, buiildings, whatever). Yes I know in some cases it is not as cut and dried as that but still, come on.
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JPMarat
02/27/09

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It's very dissapointing that Wiesel would use his moral authority derived from the tragedy of the Holocaust to appoint himself an arbiter on what should be done about the Madoff scandal.
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registered
02/27/09

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Gawker -Gossip from Manhattan and the Beltway to Hollywood and the Valley. In other words, all over the fucking place. I've been watching this site die. Jezebel is a hit with the Jezzies. But Gawker was special and if I discount the Valley, Defamer, and Jez posts - well Gawker just died. Take the true Gawker posts - for the last few days, there have been so few.
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shle896
02/27/09

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Mmmm.. excuse me, but Madoff's victims are not simply "less rich" now. Many of them are completely destroyed. Many are elderly and now don't have a pot to piss in because of this monster. And as I recall, three of them have committed suicide as a result of his despicable actions. I think wishing him to be in a cell for five years while looking at the faces of his countless victims is rather humane given the lives he has ruined.
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FormerEnglishMajor
02/27/09

@shle896: Agreed.
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registered
02/27/09

@shle896: Are the three suicides you mentioned the "money managers" who earned unbelievable fees, millions a year, for doing nothing more than forward the funds to Bernie? Those are the ones I have heard about, and I hope you are not wasting your sympathy on them.
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FormerEnglishMajor
02/27/09

@registered: No, not all of them:

Another Madoff Suicide

Shortly before shooting himself with a handgun on Tuesday, William Foxton discovered his family's savings had been invested by hedge funds in Bernard Madoff's Ponzi scheme. "I feel a little helpless at the moment. Essentially I want Madoff and others involved in Herald funds to know that they have my father's blood on their hands," said Foxton's son, Willard, adding, "I think it's disgusting that Bernie Madoff is sitting in his New York property, thinking that all he did was steal money, when, in fact, what he was really doing was ruining lives." Foxton had been a major in the British Army and head of the European Commission Monitoring Mission in the Balkans during the Yugoslavian wars. Shortly before retiring, he ran humanitarian projects in Afghanistan.

Read it at The Times of London
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BadUncle
02/27/09

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Sirius Radio's Chris T. (formerly of WFMU), proposed the same punishment for Timothy McVeigh, rather than the death penalty.
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