@KentuckyBabe: That you bring this up is important 'cause it's mentioned in lots of places, but what is particularly intriguing in the comparisons is that both books appear to refer to "isles". Is that a misspelling common to both books? Or just in the comparison of both books?
is it just me or is Celiac Disease another one of those "peanut allergy" diseases? I never heard of gluten-free until a couple years ago, is it possible that it's fast becoming another one of those "give me attention, I'm a middle class soccer mom and I've diagnosed my kid with as many diseases as they will allow me to and now I need someone to pay attention to me" diseases?
I don't mean to be stereotyping (well, I did so I guess I do) but it just seems to me as thought there are waaay more "diseases" now a days then there were when I was younger and it also seems as though they only occur within a certain income bracket...
@Stacy Davis: Hi there Stacy. Maybe there are more diseases because, um, science allows us to make those discoveries as newer technologies become available. I was sick my entire life. Every doctor called me a hypochondriac. My parents called me a hypochondriac and sent me to a shrink. All I wanted to do was be able to eat without running to the bathroom (embarassing as a child/teen, as I'm sure you can imagine - you seem so SENSITIVE). When I got to be 22 and couldn't hold down a job because I was LIVING in the bathroom, down to 90 something pounds because eating a saltine HURT, and has a disgusting years old rash on my face misdiagnosed as "bad acne" - I was very relieved to finally have a name to put to my suffering once I was diagnosed. I was also amazed to see how quickly all those horrible symptoms disappeared when I went gluten free. It isn't easy being gluten free - dealing with people like you is always always a chore and a lesson in restraint. Contamination happens and I'll be sick for a few days. I'm constantly tired, and often get migraines that last for days. But otherwise, I am happy and have nice, clear skin (the rash cleared up when I ditched the gluten). But I'm sure, on some level, my 29 years of living with an auto-immune disease has all just been an attempt at seeking attention. You ignoramus.
Seems as though you are a little defensive, ok...a lot defensive. If you'd taken a moment to actually read what I wrote it was more a genuine question. I didn't realize that I had to be PC and censor my curiosity as to not offend someone who apparently is tired of defending her disease to a bunch of people who don't understand it...oh and I didn't, which is why I asked!
@blonderedhead: Right? It's easy to label something a "middle-class-soccer-mom-wants-attention-disease" when you're too lazy to research something on your own and you're trying to be edgy on a blog.
I did...you try it. I wanted the other side of it. I think it's a legitimate question and I welcome both sides of the argument, which is why I phrased my question the way I did. I don't think it's turning out to be a bad discussion actually :)
@seachange: Thank you. My mom wasn't even a soccer mom, 'cause I'm not athletic in the slightest ;) I was much more musically inclined.
Stacy - I'm not defensive in the slightest. To go on a board accusing people like me who have spent their lives battling a host of embarrassing, painful, once-unexplained symptoms of attention-seeking fakery is asking for a verbal lashing. Just saying. And comparing it to peanut allergies? You *know* people die from that, right? Is there no end to your ignorance?
I pray to *God* that you do not work in the food service industry if this is how you regard people with serious food allergies.
Unfortunately, self-diagnosing yourself as gluten-intolerant is a new fad. People have done this forever with different diseases(think Epstein-Barr in the 80's, yeast allergies in the 90s). It doesn't mean the things people are self-diagnosing themselves with aren't real illnesses. There are just a lot of people who latch onto the disease of the moment as the answer to what is wrong with them. Even worse, there are tons of quack practitioners out there willing to prey on these people by offering them cleansing cures and other b.s. to "treat" them based solely on their self-diagnosis.
In the end, the people who actually suffer with the disease may find it harder to have people take their disease seriously, which sucks.
@Cicada: I absolutely agree. I have seen people do it - and it is actually a very bad idea. The biopsy that is needed to test a person for Celiac Disease is based on damage to the intestines. If a person has already self-diagnosed and been gluten-free, they are repairing that damage. When they go for that biopsy, they are going to come up negative for Celiac, even though they may have it. So, it is actually detrimental. And irritating :) I have had people accuse me of eating gluten free as a diet fad - like some sort of bastardized Atkins. I was like, "Listen bitch - I would rip your heart out for a piece of pizza right now!!!!" *sigh* I miss gluten.
@blonderedhead: Jesus, I once watched an idiot on another messageboard, claiming she worked as a Starbucks barista, who told us all how "tired" she was of people who came in claiming to be allergic to milk. "Shut up, you're gonna get milk if I make your latte", she boasted. Jeesus.
@Stacy Davis: You phrased your "question" horribly and the subsequent discussion consists of: "I have been diagnosed by a doctor with celiac's disease" and "I know someone who might have been faking celiac's disease," which proves nothing.
People fake being paralyzed to get medical benefits, does that mean being paralyzed is made-up?
@Tara Incognita: Stacy is not claiming Celiac is a made-up disease. She's saying it's the current fad illness of the WASP set. What's with the sudden dichotomy, that either it can be a real disease or a hyped self-diagnosis, but certainly not both?
If you read the original post as a remark on WASPy hypochondriacs, then the resulting comment beatdown starts to look -- well, insane.
@blonderedhead: But on the other hand, I have fibromyalgia and have been told by more than one person that I probably really have celiac disease in spite of the fact that I have no intestinal symptoms ever and intestinal symptoms are not diagnostic in fibromyalgia.
One thing that ends up getting my goat a bit is that if you really have a "fad" disease and the "fad" passes, you're left behind with your same old now sort of faded outmoded and uninteresting passe disease and nobody care anymore.
I actually knew someone with celiac disease over 20 years ago and something tells me that she's not enjoying the new popularity of her same old disease.
On the other hand, the concept of food restriction of any kind and in this case gluten often appeals to people with eating disorders and being "clean" can be used by people with legitimate celiac disease, but also is code for food restricting.
And lastly I can't understand why people who have or think they have a certain "fad" disease want to buttonhole you and convince you that you probably have it too. I would not wish my fibromyalgia-limited life on my worst enemy and trust me she deserves it!
@CaptainFantastic: I always like to assume so. I always give wheelchair people (I calls them Wheelies) a little shove in the direction of a subway entrance just to make sure. Sometimes I have to save them, but that's a small price to pay.
One of these days, one of those wheelie fakes is going to slip up and then *BAM* I'll have them!
@CaptainFantastic: She's not the root of the problem. She clarified in her second post, everyone was just having way too much fun piling on and being asshats to back the hell up and give the post a more charitable read.
Seriously, usually I like the comment threads here, but this just got nasty and vindictive for no good reason. I get that some people who've got allergies or celiac have existing baggage about their illnesses being questioned by others, but it's a post on the internet, which means people often project their own tone onto the text. Stacy clarified, and the beatdown continued. She's not the one who comes out of this looking bad.
@blonderedhead: "To go on a board accusing people like me who have spent their lives battling a host of embarrassing, painful, once-unexplained symptoms of attention-seeking fakery is asking for a verbal lashing. Just saying."
This is totally not what the original post says. At all.
If anything, the original is accusing fad-seeking hypochondriacs of co-opting your embarrassing, painful disease and using it as an excuse to avoid starches.
You know what helps before delivering a verbal lashing? Just READING. Jesus.
@limber: Her original comment started: "is it just me or is Celiac Disease another one of those 'peanut allergy' diseases?" First she asks if it is a disease with which you may die within hours (like peanut allergy). Then she goes on to suggest that it could be psychosomatic. Huh?
Myself nor anyone in my family has any known allergies, except my mom breaks out if she eats shellfish. I can eat whatever I want and I don't think I'm projecting anything. Possibly her thoughts were not translated well into words. With many writers around, that can get you piled-on here.
@CaptainFantastic: Where are you reading that she asks if it's a disease that kills you in hours? If you extrapolating that from the peanut reference, that is a big, big reach.
Peanut allergies have been a fad illness over the past decade -- not psychosomatic, which is an actual manifestation of symptoms due to psychological conviction, but a conscious choice to co-opt an illness to either self-diagnose ("I saw on Oprah that PCOS makes you gain weight, and I've gained weight, therefore I think I've got PCOS") or to cover another purpose ("I am scared about peanut allergies, and so will claim Jimmy's got it already"). These co-opters have NOTHING to do with people who are actually allergic to peanuts or have PCOS, a very real, diagnosable thing.
Here's an example: in the 90s I worked at a children's camp where one of the kids was allergic to latex. We're talking heart-stopping, EpiPen-carrying, emergency number-toting, specialist doctor-having allergy. We had to scan children's lunches for bananas, because the skin could trigger him. There were also a few kids whose mothers pitched an almighty fit about peanut allergies. These women requested we ban all peanuts and peanut products. Did any of the kids have ANY of the stuff the latex kid had? Well, no, but Kyle's mouth feels itchy when he eats peanut butter and he says he's sick afterwards, and that's proof enough. Apparently actual diagnosis was a step too far for these ladies. (Kyle, on the other hand, was all too happy to sneak peanut butter cookies from a friend -- I suspect he just didn't like PB&J sandwiches.)
The discussion didn't start with any sort of question about illnesses. Stacy's post has nothing to do with celiac's actual diagnosis, it has EVERYTHING to do with attention-seeking /helicopter-parenting behaviour of WASPy segments of society.
@Lizawithazee: "Security? Yes. Yes, it's Bear Grylls again. He says he won't leave Isle 3 for five days. Yes he's building a bamboo raft. Tasers are acceptable."
@Lizawithazee: They were going have fifty chimps at fifty typewriters write the damn thing, but they were tied up on Sarah Palin's upcoming book, so please excuse the occasion typos and grammatical errors, Hasselbeck had to squeeze this one out all by her lonesome.
@HiredGoons: For the first time in her life, Hasselbeck has had to squeeze out something metaphorical. Everything else she's ever squeezed out came out an orifice.
@Trixie from Toronto: Two distinct sets of in-house production editors, copy editors and proofreaders had to miss that. The chances of that happening are very slim. This was cribbed.
What a bunch of hags. Glenn, why would you consent to sitting in a circle of undersexed jappy harpies? Don't you know there's nothing more terrifying than the bitterness of women who have lost/never had good looks?
And what's with Whoopie saying Glenn is a sack of shit? Whoopie, if we asked young children who looked more like poop, who do ya think they'd pick?
Beck is just an Elmer Gantry type (he has no ideology; just many unspecified feelings of having been treated badly in life) but I would guess his inner demons are eating him alive in the slowest, most painful way.
Hasselbeck isn't having any ideological epiphanies - she just shuts her fat mouth when it's obvious she's on the wrong side, silently wishing it would all go away.
@lovethysally: What about the other conservative, the really stupid one? What's her name? Sherri? She's just sitting there, grinning like the meds have kicked in. What's hear deal?
I don't know that Hasselbeck is slipping to the other side. Beck has a way of making conservatives feel like liberals. If I was around him, I would be saying, "Oh, I guess I'm not a conservative." Not only that, but since Beck's amusing little anecdote turned out to be a lie, I think I would have let him flounder there on his own as well.
@ChillbearLatrigue: It's a shame that nutter like Beck can you make you, my dear Chillbear, who is a reasoned and rational person who happens to be conservative, question his positions.
@Hydroceph: I remember the Democratic party not looking so great in 2004, but I don't remember this kind of sheer nuttery. I enjoyed your little bit of Socratese. I'm going to keep fighting my cause with as much dignity as I can muster. It seems to be in short supply these days.
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I don't mean to be stereotyping (well, I did so I guess I do) but it just seems to me as thought there are waaay more "diseases" now a days then there were when I was younger and it also seems as though they only occur within a certain income bracket...
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Seems as though you are a little defensive, ok...a lot defensive. If you'd taken a moment to actually read what I wrote it was more a genuine question. I didn't realize that I had to be PC and censor my curiosity as to not offend someone who apparently is tired of defending her disease to a bunch of people who don't understand it...oh and I didn't, which is why I asked!
anyhoo, thanks for explaining your side of it.
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I did...you try it. I wanted the other side of it. I think it's a legitimate question and I welcome both sides of the argument, which is why I phrased my question the way I did. I don't think it's turning out to be a bad discussion actually :)
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Stacy - I'm not defensive in the slightest. To go on a board accusing people like me who have spent their lives battling a host of embarrassing, painful, once-unexplained symptoms of attention-seeking fakery is asking for a verbal lashing. Just saying. And comparing it to peanut allergies? You *know* people die from that, right? Is there no end to your ignorance?
I pray to *God* that you do not work in the food service industry if this is how you regard people with serious food allergies.
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Unfortunately, self-diagnosing yourself as gluten-intolerant is a new fad. People have done this forever with different diseases(think Epstein-Barr in the 80's, yeast allergies in the 90s). It doesn't mean the things people are self-diagnosing themselves with aren't real illnesses. There are just a lot of people who latch onto the disease of the moment as the answer to what is wrong with them. Even worse, there are tons of quack practitioners out there willing to prey on these people by offering them cleansing cures and other b.s. to "treat" them based solely on their self-diagnosis.
In the end, the people who actually suffer with the disease may find it harder to have people take their disease seriously, which sucks.
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People fake being paralyzed to get medical benefits, does that mean being paralyzed is made-up?
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If you read the original post as a remark on WASPy hypochondriacs, then the resulting comment beatdown starts to look -- well, insane.
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One thing that ends up getting my goat a bit is that if you really have a "fad" disease and the "fad" passes, you're left behind with your same old now sort of faded outmoded and uninteresting passe disease and nobody care anymore.
I actually knew someone with celiac disease over 20 years ago and something tells me that she's not enjoying the new popularity of her same old disease.
On the other hand, the concept of food restriction of any kind and in this case gluten often appeals to people with eating disorders and being "clean" can be used by people with legitimate celiac disease, but also is code for food restricting.
And lastly I can't understand why people who have or think they have a certain "fad" disease want to buttonhole you and convince you that you probably have it too. I would not wish my fibromyalgia-limited life on my worst enemy and trust me she deserves it!
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One of these days, one of those wheelie fakes is going to slip up and then *BAM* I'll have them!
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Seriously, usually I like the comment threads here, but this just got nasty and vindictive for no good reason. I get that some people who've got allergies or celiac have existing baggage about their illnesses being questioned by others, but it's a post on the internet, which means people often project their own tone onto the text. Stacy clarified, and the beatdown continued. She's not the one who comes out of this looking bad.
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This is totally not what the original post says. At all.
If anything, the original is accusing fad-seeking hypochondriacs of co-opting your embarrassing, painful disease and using it as an excuse to avoid starches.
You know what helps before delivering a verbal lashing? Just READING. Jesus.
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Myself nor anyone in my family has any known allergies, except my mom breaks out if she eats shellfish. I can eat whatever I want and I don't think I'm projecting anything. Possibly her thoughts were not translated well into words. With many writers around, that can get you piled-on here.
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Peanut allergies have been a fad illness over the past decade -- not psychosomatic, which is an actual manifestation of symptoms due to psychological conviction, but a conscious choice to co-opt an illness to either self-diagnose ("I saw on Oprah that PCOS makes you gain weight, and I've gained weight, therefore I think I've got PCOS") or to cover another purpose ("I am scared about peanut allergies, and so will claim Jimmy's got it already"). These co-opters have NOTHING to do with people who are actually allergic to peanuts or have PCOS, a very real, diagnosable thing.
Here's an example: in the 90s I worked at a children's camp where one of the kids was allergic to latex. We're talking heart-stopping, EpiPen-carrying, emergency number-toting, specialist doctor-having allergy. We had to scan children's lunches for bananas, because the skin could trigger him. There were also a few kids whose mothers pitched an almighty fit about peanut allergies. These women requested we ban all peanuts and peanut products. Did any of the kids have ANY of the stuff the latex kid had? Well, no, but Kyle's mouth feels itchy when he eats peanut butter and he says he's sick afterwards, and that's proof enough. Apparently actual diagnosis was a step too far for these ladies. (Kyle, on the other hand, was all too happy to sneak peanut butter cookies from a friend -- I suspect he just didn't like PB&J sandwiches.)
The discussion didn't start with any sort of question about illnesses. Stacy's post has nothing to do with celiac's actual diagnosis, it has EVERYTHING to do with attention-seeking /helicopter-parenting behaviour of WASPy segments of society.
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Author of Hasselbeck's book: Hasselbeck
Eerily similar.
Also, who would title a chapter, "Things That Should Be Thought About"?
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And what's with Whoopie saying Glenn is a sack of shit? Whoopie, if we asked young children who looked more like poop, who do ya think they'd pick?
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Beck is a conservative.
Beck is a mad dog.
I am not a mad dog.
Therefore I must not be a conservative.
See what I mean?
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