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Obama to Gay Community: We Cool Yet?
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Fri Dec 4
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Mocking this woman's appearance as being too masculine is as homophobic as saying a gay man looks like a limp-wristed little sissy.
While it's not okay in many liberal circles to laugh at a guy for being too feminine, it's still okay to laugh at a woman for not being feminine enough.
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We're recreationally vicious, but there when it counts?
12/22/08
1) He is being so overly scrutinized for every move he makes.
2) It's my honest belief that many Christian pastors/ministers don't believe in homosexuality because of some pesky Bible verse they like to spout over and over again. Not saying all, but in my experience many feel this way. So going with a Christian invocation was a pretty much losing battle. It's religion. Meaning, everyone thinks they're right. I'm not sure there are many "safe" ministers out there, since so many have said something inflammatory at one time or another while in the pulpit. That's kind of how religion works.
My religion is better than yours....
The Bible says this, so it must be true....
3) But if he opted against a religious component, and went with something a little more non-denominational, what then? Wouldn't the critics wonder why he didn't go with a traditional Christian invocation led by a traditional Christian pastor? Is he Muslim? Is he a terrorist? *sigh*
There really is no winning once religion comes into it.
There's always going to be someone who'll disagree, right?
12/22/08
In other words, not all Christian ministers are like that. Nor are the ones who are not rabidly preaching against homosexuality merely "safe". Some have actually meant good things and done good things.
Of course, he dropped dead of a heart attack at 59, because his job ate him alive. Mostly because he had to argue with the ever-increasing number of "the Bible says this, so it must be true" fundamentalists who were taking over the area.
12/22/08
The funny thing is, we expect ministers to be Godly, and pious, but really they're just men and women with their own set of prejudices and alliances. So my choice would have been that Obama opt out of the whole religious ceremony thing, because it's complicated, there are various interpretations of good, correct, and acceptable, and well, religion to me, always muddies the water.
12/22/08
His right-wing fundie rivals must have gotten tons of support, financial, ideological, moral, from various conservative groups. What you described about your father's passing is the tip of the iceberg of why religious conservatives are so powerful.
Liberals are piss-poor at organizing for a common cause, and reaching out and propping up other liberals. Sure, this one election cycle, they did it. But they run out of steam very soon.
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Huh? Where did this come from? ljnd2 said nothing about "liberal organizations."
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This seldom happens in reverse. Where weren't any liberal groups organized enough to perceive the threat and reach out to help moderate and liberal clergymen?
You never see one lone conservative religious pastor in some town fighting against a liberal horde. They always get backup.
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"By way of explaining what Obama might have been thinking when he chose Warren, Frank said that Obama "overestimates" his ability to charm those he disagrees with and overestimates the right's willingness to be "post partisan."
Having worked for decades with the GOP, Frank said, "I suffer from post-partisan depression.""
Gawd, I love that man!
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Can you imagine how that would blast DODT back into the forefront of politics? It would almost certainly be rapidly overturned, as promised. Of course, it also means that most likely White will not be made Navy secretary. Still, it appears that goal has not been forgotten due to the economy/war/etc. (unless it's purely an act of appearance)
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I would have preferred it be Daryl.
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i'm not shocked. y are u?
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